Australia - Siege/Ambush at Remote Property - 6 Dead Including 2 Police/Neighbor - Wieambilla (Queensland)

[NancyCoburn]

Queensland Police Union plan to buy Wieambilla property where two officers were killed in ambush​

Union president Ian Leavers said he did not want the land to "fall into the wrong hands".

Mr Leavers said he had spoken to the families of the fallen officers about the proposal.

"This is a very emotional time for Matthew's and Rachel's families, and I have been talking with them, and they are really pleased," he said.
"Not only will this be in memory to Rachel and Matthew, but also this land can be used for a purpose for policing."

Queensland Police Union plan to buy rural property where officers were killed

Queensland Police Union president Ian Leavers says he doesn't want the property to "fall into the wrong hands" and is in talks to buy the site to repurpose it into a retreat.

www.abc.net.au

I’m not overly convinced this is a good idea. I know it’s the final resting spot for 2 police and a neighbour but to me I’d rather go to the cemetery to pay my respects than the place of the shooting.
Leaver said that it could be used as a police training area or a retreat- it’s hardly a nice area. Being govt the facility will be bogged down with infrastructure management, maintenance, security, and paperwork. He also said they don’t want the property falling into the wrong hands- I presume because of the hidey holes or tunnels. Why not just bulldoze the place? A farmer can buy it for farming.

Not only that, but the conspiracy nut jobs will say they are taking it on to cover up the scene and evidence etc. They already probably are

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m not overly convinced this is a good idea. I know it’s the final resting spot for 2 police and a neighbour but to me I’d rather go to the cemetery to pay my respects than the place of the shooting.
Leaver said that it could be used as a police training area or a retreat- it’s hardly a nice area. Being govt the facility will be bogged down with infrastructure management, maintenance, security, and paperwork. He also said they don’t want the property falling into the wrong hands- I presume because of the hidey holes or tunnels. Why not just bulldoze the place? A farmer can buy it for farming.

Not only that, but the conspiracy nut jobs will say they are taking it on to cover up the scene and evidence etc. They already probably are

I think it all depends on who now owns this property.
It may have already been bequeathed to other conspiracy nut jobs, should something happen to the owner(s).

The State of Qld may need to step in and stop that kind of land bequeathment.

And if it now belongs to the killers families, it may be something they also want to do. Give it to the police for a fair sum.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I’m not overly convinced this is a good idea. I know it’s the final resting spot for 2 police and a neighbour but to me I’d rather go to the cemetery to pay my respects than the place of the shooting.
Leaver said that it could be used as a police training area or a retreat- it’s hardly a nice area. Being govt the facility will be bogged down with infrastructure management, maintenance, security, and paperwork. He also said they don’t want the property falling into the wrong hands- I presume because of the hidey holes or tunnels. Why not just bulldoze the place? A farmer can buy it for farming.

Not only that, but the conspiracy nut jobs will say they are taking it on to cover up the scene and evidence etc. They already probably are

Honestly I wondered why they would want to buy that property too. For what? I agree with all the points you mentioned.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I worried about the property (that was before I heard the police night buy it).

Anyway I worried that it might become some sort of shrine to the Trains, and could attract all sorts of way out there conspiracy theory followers. When I thought of that, I had a feeling of fear for the neighbours and the town and surrounding areas.

Maybe that's part of what the Police are trying to avoid.

But i also think that having the Police buy it, might make it a target.

Whatever, I don't think I'd like to be living nearby.

Posting this when I can. I've been having an awful lot of trouble getting on Websleuths the past few days, it's been down for hours at a time for me, for a couple of days now.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I worried about the property (that was before I heard the police night buy it).

Anyway I worried that it might become some sort of shrine to the Trains, and could attract all sorts of way out there conspiracy theory followers. When I thought of that, I had a feeling of fear for the neighbours and the town and surrounding areas.

Maybe that's part of what the Police are trying to avoid.

But i also think that having the Police buy it, might make it a target.

Whatever, I don't think I'd like to be living nearby.

Posting this when I can. I've been having an awful lot of trouble getting on Websleuths the past few days, it's been down for hours at a time for me, for a couple of days now.

I have also encountered issues this week. Been hard trying to catch up with a few threads!
I wonder if they were up to anything else out there that police are trying to prevent from becoming public?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Just heard on ABC news radio, a Police spokesman was asked about the buying of the property and he answered that the police didn't want it to become a tribute to the killers of the two police and the neighbour.

I wonder if the owner, Gareth made a will, and willed it to other "believers"

But wouldn't any family members have some right to his estate ?

 

[SouthAussie]

They are showing the inside of the Brisbane Entertainment Centre right now. It is absolutely packed with people. They are calling it a Sea of Blue.

Live link to the memorial service in this article. The service starts in about 15 mins.

Constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold remembered as thousands attend memorial service

Family members, police officers and political leaders gathered at a memorial service for police shooting victims constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

The memorial service has started. I notice that there is an officer in the front row holding onto and patting a dog. I wonder if this is one of the slain officer's dog.

ETA: I think it may be Rachel McCrow's dog. They are speaking of her beloved dog right now.


(Bottom right corner of the pic. Link is the live video from my previous post.)

 

[Ellery84]

They are showing the inside of the Brisbane Entertainment Centre right now. It is absolutely packed with people. They are calling it a Sea of Blue.

Live link to the memorial service in this article. The service starts in about 15 mins.

Constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold remembered as thousands attend memorial service

Family members, police officers and political leaders gathered at a memorial service for police shooting victims constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold.

www.abc.net.au

FBI and the NYPD in attendance at the funeral today.

 

[SouthAussie]

Matthew was the eldest of a set of triplets, by just a few minutes. (as per live service eulogy)

My gosh my eyes are leaky right now listening to these eulogies. These two police officers are so, so, so loved.
.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I didn't think I'd cry, but I haven't been able to stop.

 

[SouthAussie]

Police Commissioner Katarina Carroll has posthumously awarded constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold for their bravery and courage.

They have been awarded the Queensland Police Valour Medal, the National Police Service Medal and National Medal.

Constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold remembered as thousands attend memorial service

Family members, police officers and political leaders gathered at a memorial service for police shooting victims constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

Beloved doggy.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Procession live

Constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold remembered as thousands attend memorial service

Family members, police officers and political leaders gathered at a memorial service for police shooting victims constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

Procession live

Constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold remembered as thousands attend memorial service

Family members, police officers and political leaders gathered at a memorial service for police shooting victims constables Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold.

www.abc.net.au

Everybody is there. The police horses, the police dogs, the motorcycle cops, the bagpipers - with thousands of uniformed police officers lining the entire 1.5km procession route.

ETA: Police helicopters are now doing a flyover, as well.

ETA2: Even the police boats are there, as the procession passes a creek.

This is truly such a huge national event and tragedy.

 

[brissygirl2019]

Everybody is there. The police horses, the police dogs, the motorcycle cops, the bagpipers - with thousands of uniformed police officers lining the entire 1.5km procession route.

This is truly such a huge national event and tragedy.

It's an absolute heart breaking tragedy SA.

I was part of the part of the Qld Police family for many years and even though I am now no longer a part of that family, I still have close friends in the QPS and hearts are breaking all over right now

 

[Ellery84]

I think he is a very lucky man to have survived the encounter with Nathaniel Train.

TG - I think more than likely this Good Samaritan survived the encounter because N Train seemed very determined to make it to his brother’s house.

IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

TG - I think more than likely this Good Samaritan survived the encounter because N Train seemed very determined to make it to his brother’s house.

That was my thought too.

But on the other hand I think he may have been a powder keg ready to go off.
He most likely already had a plan, what with all the guns and targets and camo gear and most likely didn't want to do anything that would put that in jeopardy.
But on the other hand. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had hurt someone, or worse and disappeared them if he thought they knew too much.

I think that man had a very lucky escape.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Maybe Australians used to be like that but it seems it's changing. We're becoming a nation of dobbers.

Dibber dobbers on the rise

READING LEVEL: GREEN

www.kidsnews.com.au

"We might like to pride ourselves on being a country of mateship with an almost larrikin* approach to authority*, but new research shows we are becoming a nation of dobbers.

Data from Crime Stoppers, the national service for anonymously* reporting crimes and suspicious activities, shows Australians have increasingly dobbed in others to the police during the Covid-19 pandemic.


University of NSW law and justice Associate Professor Catherine Bond said that when the federal government declared a state of emergency in response to Covid, it was enthusiastically* policed by regular people"


And it's not just Covid, more and more people have been reporting others for all sorts of things. Been heading that way for years.

learned a new word here.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Interestingly, the rural Western Downs area of Qld (Wieambilla, where this crime happened, is in the Western Downs) has a high rate of gun theft. The reason being that farmers there are not locking their guns up securely.


QUEENSLAND’S Western Downs region carries the unflattering statistic of having one of the highest rates of firearm theft in the state ....
The campaign over the previous six months resulted in 2,300 weapons being surrendered as part of a permanent national amnesty.
Despite its low population compared to other regions, the Western Downs recorded more than 65 weapons offences over the past year.

Police reveal regional hotspot for stolen firearms

Police and Crime Stoppers announced illegal weapon crackdown

countrycaller.com.au

(Although I can't see the date on this article, Google says it is from 4th April 2022)

what an enlightening article...
Though there are handguns, and hand-made guns in some of the photos... the first is showing rifles. So WHY would these rural farmers and folks have the guns anyway? And how do criminals know that these rural folks even have the guns?

Aren't people allowed to hunt?
It is always so hard to understand (sadly), with the American landscape so filled with guns.