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Kouroumblis covered his face with a black leather jacket as he was driven into the court complex by senior homicide squad detectives. He entered the dock at 3.23 pm.

Magistrate Leon Fluxman ordered Kouroumblis, who was represented in court by defence lawyer Bill Doogue, to return to court in February.

“I’m adjourning your matter until the 26th of February, 2025. That’s for a committal mention in this court. That’s an administrative hearing at which stage your lawyer will make a potential cross-examination application for witnesses,” Fluxman said.

“A brief of evidence will be served on your lawyer on or before the 15th of January 2025.

“I note there are no custody management issues. There can be no application for bail in this court.”
 
Cliff Hardy said:
I guess now that they have Kouroumblis in custody they can see what sort of case they can assemble against him for the Garciacelay murder?
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Not a chance on Julie IMO. They would need to prove that he had the opportunity--was in the area. They didn't know that at the time and I'd say it would be very difficult to prove from new information, being so long ago. I say they didn't know it at the time because the journalist came under strong suspicion because he was at both places, whereas it was never suggested that the same applied to somebody else. PK was connected with the Easey Street murders from the beginning, through the knife and the school and his route between school and home. Plus I think it would be rather a coincidence if the same person committed both, and that person wasn't the journalist or anything to do with the journalist.
 
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JLZ said:
Not a chance on Julie IMO. They would need to prove that he had the opportunity--was in the area. They didn't know that at the time and I'd say it would be very difficult to prove from new information, being so long ago. I say they didn't know it at the time because the journalist came under strong suspicion because he was at both places, whereas it was never suggested that the same applied to somebody else. PK was connected with the Easey Street murders from the beginning, through the knife and the school and his route between school and home. Plus I think it would be rather a coincidence if the same person committed both, and that person wasn't the journalist or anything to do with the journalist.
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Could they have DNA?
 
Wondering if smarter minds than mime can anticipate how the police will play their cards in relation to these two matters involving Kouroumblis?

Are they likely to play their strongest hand first - presumably the Easey Street case - and wait until it is has run its course before introducing any action on the Garciacelay case? The obvious advantage there is it provides them additional time on the Garciacelay case, but do they need any more time?

Kouroumblis could theoretically be hauled into court next week regarding the Garciacelay case.
 
Cliff Hardy said:
I suspect the picture of Kouroumblis with the motorbike would have been taken pre-2017, as it was in 2017 that he headed over to Greece.

As for the frail look. Yeah, wouldn't be surprised to hear he is suddenly wheelchair bound and requiring an oxygen bottle ala Cristopher Skase or his memory has suddenly deserted him ala Alan Jones.
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He's got as much sparkle as I have after taking my seat on a plane. His companion is marvellously fresh.
 

This article gives a bit of background on the subject of extradition, in particular, Australian extradition... In Au , we are very small frogs in the boiling pot of the extradition game, .....

''''Extradition to and from Australia​

The Easey Street extradition was relatively straightforward, but the process is rare, expensive and time consuming, according to legal experts.

"Australia extradites less than 50 people a year, whereas if you look at countries in Europe, they're looking at thousands," said lawyer and extradition specialist Phillip Gibson.

Having dealt with many cases across his career, Mr Gibson said extradition approval hinged on international agreements rather than the strength of a case.

"The question of someone's guilt or innocence doesn't really come into the extradition process," he said.
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"When someone's looking to be extradited, it's the treaty that we go to, to see the rules that are going to apply in that particular case."

Australia has extradition treaties with 39 countries. These treaties are very similar in terms of which crimes are serious enough to warrant extradition, and what sort of consequences the suspect could face, Mr Gibson said.''''

"Australia will always seek an assurance — say from a country like the USA — that the death penalty will not be applied," Mr Gibson said.

As long as the right documents were filed with the government and court, Mr Gibson said it was rare for Australia to reject an extradition request — but never guaranteed.

"I think it's fair to say to that all extradition cases are difficult," Mr Gibson said.'''''
 
JLZ said:
Not a chance on Julie IMO. They would need to prove that he had the opportunity--was in the area. They didn't know that at the time and I'd say it would be very difficult to prove from new information, being so long ago. I say they didn't know it at the time because the journalist came under strong suspicion because he was at both places, whereas it was never suggested that the same applied to somebody else. PK was connected with the Easey Street murders from the beginning, through the knife and the school and his route between school and home. Plus I think it would be rather a coincidence if the same person committed both, and that person wasn't the journalist or anything to do with the journalist.
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Pk what's a burglar with his friend, I think this friend has since died that was able to give the police an alibi, between the both of them,both had the opportunity ,PK knew the area but it's still doesn't make him a killer?
 
Witness 28 said:
Pk what's a burglar with his friend, I think this friend has since died that was able to give the police an alibi, between the both of them,both had the opportunity ,PK knew the area but it's still doesn't make him a killer?
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Hi Witness. I'm not sure we're understanding each other. PK knew the Collingwood area. He may or may not have known North Melbourne where Julie G was killed. You've got me thinking that if he had criminal connections in 1975--he would have been about 15--they might have thought it kind of funny as well as useful to themselves to initiate him in a rape-and-murder clean-up (Julie's). And this led to him eventually wanting to try the whole thing for himself (Susan and Suzanne, 1977).

All speculative; I'd be happy to think PK entirely innocent.
 
JLZ said:
Hi Witness. I'm not sure we're understanding each other. PK knew the Collingwood area. He may or may not have known North Melbourne where Julie G was killed. You've got me thinking that if he had criminal connections in 1975--he would have been about 15--they might have thought it kind of funny as well as useful to themselves to initiate him in a rape-and-murder clean-up (Julie's). And this led to him eventually wanting to try the whole thing for himself (Susan and Suzanne, 1977).

All speculative; I'd be happy to think PK entirely innocent.
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Hi JLZ, sorry it took so long to get back to you, been working on the murder Elizabeth Bromfield on a Central Coast ,in 1984,nice Theory about PK, I don't think PK smart enough to either walk in or burgle Julie's Place, a murderer he would have left some evidence behind and would not have removed the body, Julie was probably killed by a hardered criminal there were three Suspects one a journalist then there was a Boxer a criminal then another criminal could be on the criminal or the boxer, there was not much evidence except blood and panties on the floor of Julie's Place in 1975, PK would have left something behind, not saying that PK did not kill the two girls at Collingwood especially when it is pulled over and had the knife and the boot, been a burglar he had perfect opportunity to enter the place and probably did kill for women's, Police all around the world , first thing they do is ask a witness if they found a body did they touch the body, possibly with his DNA left at the crime scene he claims he didn't do it , and gave an alibi and another criminal burglar that they were doing another job at the time,but he has a knife in the boot, and DNA left behind, which makes him liar .
 
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