Australia Australia - Tanja Ebert, 23, Roseworthy, SA, 8 Aug 2017

[Pi Thoughts]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36913312/tanja-ebert-family-arrives-from-germany-as-search-continues/

Police say they always expected the search would be tough going and that the search team are still confident of finding Ms Ebert.

 

[John Dillinger]

Statement from Tanja Ebert's family

[video=youtube;VF-LQchVPyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF-LQchVPyQ[/video]

 

[Trooper]

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-missing-mother-south-australia-parents-speak


.... .. truly, truly sad.... what a terrible position to be in.. Tanja's family can really say not much more than what they have, considering the two grandchildren who's future in every aspect will have to be hammered out...

 

[Trooper]

a very pertinent point made by South Australian Police here, South Australia is one of the very few places in the world that offer help not only to people from South Au, caught up in this sort of horror, but to people overseas caught up in it in South Australia, as South Au bought the family of Tanja out to Adelaide and is supporting them while they are here.....

 

[Trooper]

well....you would think the Burdon family trust would contribute to the costs of bringing the Ebert family out to where their daughter and sister was last seen alive in the company of Mr Burdon.. wouldn't you?......

 

[Jennifer17]

If Michael did indeed have a gambling problem, that may be the reason for the trust, as well as to keep it out of the hands of ex-wives.

 

[Oz Jen]

The CCTV footage of the family leaving the museum - to me Tanja appears slightly agitated and a little removed. She looks the other way as they leave. The hair twirling could be anxiety. I don't think she had a great day out.

 

[symbah]

The CCTV footage of the family leaving the museum - to me Tanja appears slightly agitated and a little removed. She looks the other way as they leave. The hair twirling could be anxiety. I don't think she had a great day out.

I agree Jen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4797632/Murdered-German-mum-Tanja-Ebert-seen-CCTV-Adelaide.html

The couple talk briefly as they approach the museum's sliding door, but do appear visibly upset
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[Deleted member 102539]

I agree Jen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4797632/Murdered-German-mum-Tanja-Ebert-seen-CCTV-Adelaide.html

The couple talk briefly as they approach the museum's sliding door, but do appear visibly upset
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She looks verrry distanced to the whole rest of the family, at this moment - my feeling.
I could imagine, Tanja wanted to start studies at the Uni in Roseworthy to give her life more of a sense and her husband didn't agree to that. Nevertheless I don't think she disappeared of her own because of fury/disappointment but was murdered by him at the end of the day. IMO of course.

 

[Trooper]

Tania's mother says Michael was a wonderful father, a sociable person.....has hopes her daughter will be found alive....

Michaels mother says Michael was a lovely person, ............doesn't mention Tanja, her daughter in law, mother of her grandchildren at all.....

What's wrong with this picture, peoples?....... looks to me like a subtle fight on from the Burdon family to win the prize of who is going to come out in the end as the victim... a lot is at stake here ...reputation, relationships, ( so essential in the outback ).. finances, control of the children's inheritance, , the Pastoral Lease on Oulnina Park, and so much more....

 

[1968]

I note the mother in law said 'good father etc' but did not say 'good husband' [emoji848]


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[WhyWhy]

Article in The Australian, "Family tells of Tanja heartache", very much the same as presser, alongside picture of beautiful Tanja and her mum. The ongoing search and 'specialised camera equipment' is also mentioned.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...a/news-story/215ac41a652b90644a20eead98f6d013

 

[Morrisa]

so, he said he needed to go to the toilet.....

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[Trooper]

so, he said he needed to go to the toilet.....

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Mums story is so off, in so many ways.... even in that short clip there are about 8 red flags.... Mum's body language is one of aggression and insistence that her story be taken as The Story.... .. I respect her genuine grief, but .....it is plain where the Burdon Narrative is coming from, the story of Michael as victim, harassed and hounded to his death by rude and plodding policemen, with no deference shown to his social standing or property ownership...

Unpicking a tiny bit of Mum's story there.. the police arrive, all stern and firm, 8 days after Tanja is missing.. That's 8 days, and 8 winter nights, with nothing, not her phone, not a hanky, not a jacket, not even the drink he bought her at Roseworthy, not a bag, but, oddly, the money for the station operation,, that she takes, tucking into her pants pocket, one presumes..

SHe leaves her entire life. Leaves it on the dusty desert road, in a foreign land, without her children, even a photo of her children, without her passport, without her phone, she walks away, into the lonely vastness of the Australian desert, without turning back. And disappears from the human eye.

The gun.. He says to these persistent policemen, that he needs to relieve himself,... and in a matter of seconds, he , by sheer accident, Mum is mystified still about it, he finds his gun, and not only that, it is fortuitously loaded, or, even more lucky, the correct calibre ammo is right next to it, he has the mental sharpness to load it, and shoot himself.

The half brother... another x factor.. he, according to Mum tries to calm Michael down.. but, how calm has Michael been these last 8 days of his life?...... he has managed to keep the entire population of the station unsuspecting, apparently, his mother, and his half brother calmly minding the kids, while waiting for what?.. Tanja to stagger in having walked home from Roseworthy?.. a call from Germany saying she blew the station funds on a plane ticket, using a false passport?>. She is holed up in Adelaide and wants to have her clothes sent down?.. what?> what are they all waiting for there at Oulnina park?

And how tough are South Australian coppers?>. are they that tough that a bloke who runs a property in the toughest land on earth, isolated and requiring tremendous self sufficiency, they are able to break a bloke with his mother and half brother there in a few hours of questioning, not even at the police station but in the comfort of his own home?..

Too many clangers there to write about... ...

 

[Trooper]

'Snapping'.... a popular term, usually describing someone who is frustrated and prevented from getting their own way.


Michael could have saved himself a bit of snapping had he gone to the police himself, but being holed up in the sanctuary of his property and waiting for what?... it isn't surprising that the police who rocked up that morning, after a hell of a long drive, ( most men in Michaels position would be requested in stern terms to present themselves to the police at a station with recording capabilities as soon as possible without argument, but Michael had the comfort of his own home for this event ) were persistent and uncompromising in their questioning.. its a long way to go for answers, and they would hardly be expected to leave without answers that made logical and rational sense. They would want Tanja produced in person, or .....


And apparently , Michael got upset. ........ well... why not?.. why would Mum be offended and outraged at the police with the subtle inference that the police drove her son to suicide?... . Michael should have been terribly upset that his wife of 6 months abandoned her children and him in the middle of the night at a dusty deserted roadside......... but apparently he only became upset when questioned ..

I wonder now, if the people involved here were not even expecting to be questioned at all?.. if there was a sort of folie a deux going on between mother and son, perhaps half brother too,, a folie en trois.... whereby what they say in regard to Tanja is accepted and everyone merely moves on with running the cattle. Whatever story they tell each other, over those 8 days, is believable and comfortable to live with and nothing more to do?

I am now awaiting the coroners findings, on Michaels death. that will explain a lot more, and I expect it to have a few different viewpoints than Mum's story has... also the Police Enquiry into the behaviour of the detectives that morning at Oulnina Park.. it is unarguable that allowing Michael to go to the toilet on his own, at his own place was a severe lapse of concentration on the part of the police. ... and something that would not have happened had Michael been at a police station in the duty room being recorded and videoed ......

 

[Trooper]

I cant get over Mum's nuttiness...

She doesn't understand how he got access to a gun and ammo.. well... in her own words, the police haven't searched the property up until then, so it is rational to assume Michael carefully put the gun , loaded , ready for when needed.

The half brother asks if he can talk to Michael to calm him. the police say no, this is normal procedure, this is a potential murder investigation, and looks much more than a missing person case even at this junction, there is no reason on earth why the police would allow the half brother to put his sixpence worth in at this time..

Michael wants to speak to a lawyer.. the police then cease questioning him, and go off to search the property. Michael excuses himself to the toilet and shoots himself... all normal procedure except for allowing him to be alone . So far, unlike Mum , who isn't following the police procedure, at all, the SA coppers are proceeding with caution and a certain haste, because a young woman is now missing for 8 days... they won't be leaving Oulnina Park without some direction or conviction in regard to Tanja's whereabouts.., Mum should know this.

Michael, upon being informed of the property search, which is perfectly normal police procedure, and no doubt the coppers had papers and instructions to do this , suddenly states he wants to speak to his lawyer. To Police , this would be a red flag, and if he is upset as well, a double flag .... apparently they stopped questioning him, and proceeded to put the search underway, a big undertaking in deed.


My question..... why is he suddenly wanting to speak to a lawyer?>,,,,,, his wife has abandoned her kids, him, the property, her personal property, has taken station operating money in cash, but she is also the property book keeper..wouldn't he have already rung the station legal reps, and at the very least, the bank manager?...... doesn't add up at all, Mrs Burdon..

 

[Trooper]

what I am loathe to say, and have been avoiding laying down in print is really inescapable...


Marlis Burdon knows exactly what Michael did.. perhaps, a reasonable chance is that she even knows where Tanja's body is buried, although it is also as reasonable to suppose that Michael would have lied to his mother about that aspect........

I don't say she knew beforehand what he was going to do..... but she is strangely untouched and unbothered by the murder of her grandsons mother and strangely touched and bothered by policemen expecting her son to answer pertinent questions. She appears deeply shocked by the refusal of police to let the half brother speak to Michael...... what does she think this is , a social visit?...

. I cant get past that as a real and probable act of an accomplice , certainly after the murder.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/how-did-police-let-man-die-only-metres-away/3222856/

How did police let a man die only metres away?

Ms Burdon remains unsure of whether her son did the unthinkable, killing his young wife while his sons would have been nearby.

"I know there are crimes of passion where people feel so deeply they act in haste, I don't think he was that kind of person, though he was very upset," Ms Burdon said.

"I don't believe it. I think she might still be there somewhere, I think she is on the way.

"If Michael had hidden the body, nobody will find it, he knew every rock on the station."

 

[Meryl12]

After watching Mrs Marlis Burdon's interview I can see that Tanja would not have been able to form a friendly/supportive friendship with her.
(I can detect an accent in the way Mrs Burdon speaks, it is so slight that I cannot determine the origins).
In my opinion I think Mrs Burdon is a cold-hearted, loveless person, I doubt that she would have been a loving and nurturing mother. The family's problems are becoming easier to understand.

 

[Trooper]

After watching Mrs Marlis Burdon's interview I can see that Tanja would not have been able to form a friendly/supportive friendship with her.
(I can detect an accent in the way Mrs Burdon speaks, it is so slight that I cannot determine the origins).
In my opinion I think Mrs Burdon is a cold-hearted, loveless person, I doubt that she would have been a loving and nurturing mother. The family's problems are becoming easier to understand.

I reckon it 's either a South African accent, not Boer, but English extraction, or an expatriate of Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe, ... there is also that crazed sense of entitlement ...... the police didn't introduce themselves to her!.. what does she think is going on here? Her daughter in law is now missing for EIGHT DAYS.... would introductions to her mother in law be appropriate considering the police have already decided that Michael is a murderer?......

The place was dug up.. well.. when the suspect shoots himself with a ready to hand gun, the police are not going to be shy about digging up as much as possible in the daylight left... ... what on earth did she think was going to happen?....

duty of care!!!............ gimme a break......

'"I don't believe it. I think she might still be there somewhere, I think she is on the way.

"If Michael had hidden the body, nobody will find it, he knew every rock on the station."


this is half crazy talk and the other half cunning talk.. ... she knows her son murdered Tanja.... I don't know when she knew but it was long before the police came.. days before, and she is proud that no one will find what her son hid.....