Australia Australia - Tegan Lane, 2 days old, Sydney, 14 Sept 1996 *K. Lane guilty*

[Via Marple]

Far out. That's gotta be him doesnt it....

Let's zoom into his NOSE!!

 

[Bohemian]

Let's zoom into his NOSE!!

Awww YUCK!

 

[The Observer]

In just today's ExposedABC post, Caro said

she met 'Andrew' at the Town Hall Hotel in the second half of 1995, from around September onwards

That kind of matches up with the pool opening season, doesn't it? If not for the Dawn Fraser Pool, there's not much reason for her to be around Balmain.

Yet in her first Police interview she says she didn't meet him til December 1995.

 

[sosocurious]

So is the picture of Keli and Cory is at her 21st?
Is there any pictures of Duncan at the 21st? Was he there?

 

[The Observer]

Spent the last few hours going through old archives of news no longer available on or active online. Any way interesting to note that the ABC 7:30 Report had Det. Gaut, Det. Shelley and Superintendent Mason on in the 2 weeks leading up to the inquest. 8/6/05 and 13/6/05. It was a missing person appeal for Tegan and an appeal for Andrew M/Norris. There is archived transcripts, but not detail heavy on the case.

 

[The Observer]

So is the picture of Keli and Cory at her 21st?
Is there any pictures of Duncan at the 21st? Was he there?

Judging by her outfit, yeah it's her 21st.

 

[Bohemian]

Does the following have any relevance to ‘non-disclosure’ of the tapes of the telephone intercepts by the Crown?

‘Guideline 18
Prosecutors are under a continuing obligation to make full disclosure to the accused in a timely manner of all material known to the prosecutor which can be seen on a sensible appraisal by the prosecution:

• to be relevant or possibly relevant to an issue in the case;
  
  
• to raise or possibly raise a new issue whose existence is not apparent from the evidence the prosecution proposes to use; and/or
  
  
• to hold out a real as opposed to fanciful prospect of providing a lead to evidence which goes to either of the previous two situations.

The prosecution duty of disclosure does not extend to disclosing material:

• relevant only to the credibility of defence (as distinct from prosecution) witnesses;
  
  
• relevant only to the credibility of the accused person;
  
  
• relevant only because it might deter an accused person from giving false evidence or raising an issue of fact which might be shown to be false; or
  
  
• of which it is aware concerning the accused’s own conduct to prevent an accused from creating a trap for himself or herself, if at the time the prosecution became aware of that material it was not seen as relevant to an issue in the case or otherwise disclosable pursuant to the criteria above.

In all matters prosecuted by the Director, police, in addition to providing the brief of evidence, must notify the Director of the existence of, and where requested disclose, all other documentation, material and other information, including that concerning any proposed witness, which documentation, material or other information might be of relevance to either the prosecution or the defence in relation to the matter and must certify that the Director has been notified of all such documentation, material and other information. (Procedures are in place for such certification to occur.)

Subject to public interest immunity considerations, such material, if assessed as relevant in the way described above, should be disclosed and, where practicable, made available, to the defence.’

Source: Prosecution Guidelines | The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

 

[Via Marple]

Does the following have any relevance to ‘non-disclosure’ of the tapes of the telephone intercepts by the Crown?

‘Guideline 18
Prosecutors are under a continuing obligation to make full disclosure to the accused in a timely manner of all material known to the prosecutor which can be seen on a sensible appraisal by the prosecution:

• to be relevant or possibly relevant to an issue in the case;
  
  
• to raise or possibly raise a new issue whose existence is not apparent from the evidence the prosecution proposes to use; and/or
  
  
• to hold out a real as opposed to fanciful prospect of providing a lead to evidence which goes to either of the previous two situations.

The prosecution duty of disclosure does not extend to disclosing material:

• relevant only to the credibility of defence (as distinct from prosecution) witnesses;
  
  
• relevant only to the credibility of the accused person;
  
  
• relevant only because it might deter an accused person from giving false evidence or raising an issue of fact which might be shown to be false; or
  
  
• of which it is aware concerning the accused’s own conduct to prevent an accused from creating a trap for himself or herself, if at the time the prosecution became aware of that material it was not seen as relevant to an issue in the case or otherwise disclosable pursuant to the criteria above.

In all matters prosecuted by the Director, police, in addition to providing the brief of evidence, must notify the Director of the existence of, and where requested disclose, all other documentation, material and other information, including that concerning any proposed witness, which documentation, material or other information might be of relevance to either the prosecution or the defence in relation to the matter and must certify that the Director has been notified of all such documentation, material and other information. (Procedures are in place for such certification to occur.)

Subject to public interest immunity considerations, such material, if assessed as relevant in the way described above, should be disclosed and, where practicable, made available, to the defence.’

Source: Prosecution Guidelines | The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

IMO the legal eagles can argue all they like about trial and mistrial, all the technicalities, but there is still no new evidence to prove whether Tegan is dead or alive.

I wonder how much more 'digging' has to be done, and no more evidence can be found, before one can be satisfied that the proof of a negative has been met. If the police had not done a perfect job with their searches before 2010, how perfect can that get before we can stop looking?

We have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise much resource will continue to be spent even after Keli is released from jail. Of course she wants to clear her name.

 

[The Observer]

IMO the legal eagles can argue all they like about trial and mistrial, all the technicalities, but there is still no new evidence to prove whether Tegan is dead or alive.

I wonder how much more 'digging' has to be done, and no more evidence can be found, before one can be satisfied that the proof of a negative has been met. If the police had not done a perfect job with their searches before 2010, how perfect can that get before we can stop looking?

We have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise much resource will continue to be spent even after Keli is released from jail. Of course she wants to clear her name.

This is what I thought was interesting about the Police being on the ABC's 7:30 report with their missing child appeal before inquest in 2005. This got plenty of media attention not just in newspapers but national TV appeals for information and that was 9 years after the fact (granted there was no confit). Nothing was turned up. No leads it seems. Nothing. Then again after the inquest and in the 4(?) years before it went to trial. No new information. 2011 the Channel 7 did their piece offering a 500k reward (which was basically them just hoping for an exclusive judging by the T&Cs) and nothing. Now 22 years later what can be gained and how can you trust anyone's recollections from 22 years ago if they were a witness!?

 

[Bohemian]

IMO the legal eagles can argue all they like about trial and mistrial, all the technicalities, but there is still no new evidence to prove whether Tegan is dead or alive.

I wonder how much more 'digging' has to be done, and no more evidence can be found, before one can be satisfied that the proof of a negative has been met. If the police had not done a perfect job with their searches before 2010, how perfect can that get before we can stop looking?

We have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise much resource will continue to be spent even after Keli is released from jail. Of course she wants to clear her name.

BBM.

If I were a cynic, I’d say she’s continuing to try to do this via the ABC’s (read ‘the taxpayers’’) dime—despite Caro’s protestations that they ‘are not Keli’s advocates’.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Does the following have any relevance to ‘non-disclosure’ of the tapes of the telephone intercepts by the Crown?

‘Guideline 18
Prosecutors are under a continuing obligation to make full disclosure to the accused in a timely manner of all material known to the prosecutor which can be seen on a sensible appraisal by the prosecution:

• to be relevant or possibly relevant to an issue in the case;
  
  
• to raise or possibly raise a new issue whose existence is not apparent from the evidence the prosecution proposes to use; and/or
  
  
• to hold out a real as opposed to fanciful prospect of providing a lead to evidence which goes to either of the previous two situations.

The prosecution duty of disclosure does not extend to disclosing material:

• relevant only to the credibility of defence (as distinct from prosecution) witnesses;
  
  
• relevant only to the credibility of the accused person;
  
  
• relevant only because it might deter an accused person from giving false evidence or raising an issue of fact which might be shown to be false; or
  
  
• of which it is aware concerning the accused’s own conduct to prevent an accused from creating a trap for himself or herself, if at the time the prosecution became aware of that material it was not seen as relevant to an issue in the case or otherwise disclosable pursuant to the criteria above.

In all matters prosecuted by the Director, police, in addition to providing the brief of evidence, must notify the Director of the existence of, and where requested disclose, all other documentation, material and other information, including that concerning any proposed witness, which documentation, material or other information might be of relevance to either the prosecution or the defence in relation to the matter and must certify that the Director has been notified of all such documentation, material and other information. (Procedures are in place for such certification to occur.)

Subject to public interest immunity considerations, such material, if assessed as relevant in the way described above, should be disclosed and, where practicable, made available, to the defence.’

Source: Prosecution Guidelines | The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

Bo - you sure do find some interesting things.

Yes, I think this is relevant to the non-disclosure. My gut feeling is that it will lead no where.

The material is likely to have been assessed by the ODPP or the Police and found not to add anything. If it did, well then yes they should have disclosed it. I think BOHII might be clutching at straws here and trying to make an issue out of it. Surely they don't know how it is relevant because the recordings weren't disclosed. Merely because something has not been disclosed, does not mean it has to be.

I wonder if there is a slight possibility that the material potentially discloses any witnesses that may have helped the Defence and weren't called by the Prosecution. May be this is what BOHII is getting at? I don't know. All speculation at this point.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Update from Caro Meldrum Hanna, she is "currently on the trail of some information...so stay tuned!"

Sounds promising!

 

[Bohemian]

Update from Caro Meldrum Hanna, she is "currently on the trail of some information...so stay tuned!"

Sounds promising!

I’m waiting with bated breath!

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

www.niemanlab.org/2018/10/a-massive-facebook-group-made-up-almost-entirely-of-women-is-helping-to-solve-a-case-gripping-australia/?utm_source=Daily+Lab+email+list&utm_campaign=197a00de83-dailylabemail3&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d68264fd5e-197a00de83-395986217

Link to article posted on Exposed ABC Facebook.

It is interesting that Caro Meldrum Hanna is saying now "Let's solve the mystery once and for all, one way or another." That indicates to me that this is not just about raising doubt about the conviction but actually getting to be bottom of this, fingers crossed.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

I’m waiting with bated breath!

I have been on edge for days!

 

[Bohemian]

www.niemanlab.org/2018/10/a-massive-facebook-group-made-up-almost-entirely-of-women-is-helping-to-solve-a-case-gripping-australia/?utm_source=Daily+Lab+email+list&utm_campaign=197a00de83-dailylabemail3&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d68264fd5e-197a00de83-395986217

Link to article posted on Exposed ABC Facebook.

It is interesting that Caro Meldrum Hanna is saying now "Let's solve the mystery once and for all, one way or another." That indicates to me that this is not just about raising doubt about the conviction but actually getting to be bottom of this, fingers crossed.

BBM.

As it should be. This is about the disappearance of a vulnerable two-day-old baby. Her name? Tegan Lee Lane.

 

[Bohemian]

Bo - you sure do find some interesting things.

Yes, I think this is relevant to the non-disclosure. My gut feeling is that it will lead no where.

The material is likely to have been assessed by the ODPP or the Police and found not to add anything. If it did, well then yes they should have disclosed it. I think BOHII might be clutching at straws here and trying to make an issue out of it. Surely they don't know how it is relevant because the recordings weren't disclosed. Merely because something has not been disclosed, does not mean it has to be.

I wonder if there is a slight possibility that the material potentially discloses any witnesses that may have helped the Defence and weren't called by the Prosecution. May be this is what BOHII is getting at? I don't know. All speculation at this point.

It’s amazing what you find while following completely different cases on WS. It’s a mine of information.

I don’t think the BoHII investigation will lead anywhere either but you never know. So many unknowns at this point.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

BBM.

As it should be. This is about the disappearance of a vulnerable two-day-old baby. Her name? Tegan Lee Lane.

I, for one, have never forgotten.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

It’s amazing what you find while following completely different cases on WS. It’s a mine of information.

I don’t think the BoHII investigation will lead anywhere either but you never know. So many unknowns at this point.

Yes, so many unknowns. I think a lot of the unknowns will never be known actually.

Wouldn't it be amazing if after all this time a Facebook group does actually result in a solution? It may be a happy ending, it may not. I understand that. But this case has stumped so many seasoned detectives. What a story it would be if the collective public had the answer all along and it took a journalist to put it all together.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, so many unknowns. I think a lot of the unknowns will never be known actually.

Wouldn't it be amazing if after all this time a Facebook group does actually result in a solution? It may be a happy ending, it may not. I understand that. But this case has stumped so many seasoned detectives. What a story it would be if the collective public had the answer all along and it took a journalist to put it all together.

It would be fantastic; especially if it resulted in Tegan being found.