Found Alive Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction, 4 y.o. victim found alive, WA ,16 Oct 2021

[Mrs G Norris]

There is always , always something new to learn.. I had no idea the boxes had significance!!.. no idea at ALL!>.

Its all about the box, toy never removed from box, and box being in mint condition .. sunlight can damage the box which is the first thing that sprung to mind when I saw the dark shades. I have boxed toys from the 90’s I only removed from a storage box to inspect a few years ago and somehow the plastic is degraded .. so resale value on those is gone. Even recently released toys can greatly increase in value in a few years as long as kept in unopened box. It can be quite the money spinner!

 

[Strangeworld]

His aunty said on the news tonight that most of the dolls belonged to another one of his aunty's. Assuming she meant used to belong and they were gifted to him.

 

[Estelle]

The man charged with kidnapping four-year-old CS posted a cryptic message the day she was taken and his Facebook profile was following the child’s mum, it is claimed. Terence Darell Kelly is accused of locking up CS for 18 days at his home, which was full of Bratz dolls, before she was finally found by police in Carnarvon, Western Australia.

He allegedly made a strange post on Facebook at 5am on October 16, the morning that the little girl was snatched from her tent at the Blowholes campsite, where he said that he needed his privacy.

"I can't accept friend requests from strangers .... I live a private life and I respect those who are on my friend list to ensure their privacy is respected too," his Facebook status allegedly read, reported the Daily Mail. "Us adults have to be careful online too." The post stated the person wouldn’t be “mates” with anyone just because they have a friend or a family member in common.

Chillingly as people frantically searched for CS and footage was shown of her mum distraught, Kelly was watching it all unfold, it is claimed. His Facebook profile was reportedly following Ellie who was sharing updates of the investigation.

There was also interaction with a “sad” emoji from Kelly’s profile on one of the posts about CS.

CS abduction suspect's 'cryptic post' on day four-year-old went missing

 

[Trooper]

His aunty said on the news tonight that most of the dolls belonged to another one of his aunty's. Assuming she meant used to belong and they were gifted to him.

This just gets stranger and stranger hour by hour.

An aunt , collecting Bratz dolls, gives these dolls to an adult nephew...

Let me absorb this. I need a doll collector. Mrs NORRIS!... calling Mrs NORRIS. .

What would be the reason the dolls, lovingly collected, paid for, attended to, looked after , especially housed and shaded and dusted, etc.. why would they then be given away? .. Is there a time limit on the love? does the love die, one day, suddenly, the dolls must go?.. What happens.,. ??

 

[katydid23]

In those photos of the room, there are many different doll brands, from Bratz, Barbie, Frozen, Barbie, Disney, Lalaloopsy and even some Hot Wheels.

Was that room where CS was found, I can't say that for 100% fact. But we have seen pics of a blocked out window, a black bed, TK laying on a black bed with a Bratz Quilt Cover. So IMO at some stage TK did have a room set up like the one's we have seen. I have attached some pics

In the one where it says door, if you zoom in it is actually a window, as you can see a plastic curtain rod holder on the right.

We've seen a black bed in the backyard under the verandah.

IMO maybe TK's doll collection started with Bratz and has just followed on and grew when a new Brand becomes popular.

I've looked at many of his alleged fake account's and the collection of doll brands varies, it's not just doll's he posted, he has posts of children's bikini's, of children wearing bikini's and the list goes on. If you keep digging all the account's link to each other, each time you click on the likes it just leads to a whole new family he had created and they all lead back to that Bratz account. It's very very disturbing.

IMO I feel at some stage he has crossed paths with CS maybe dressed as a Frozen character and became so fixated that he just couldn't resist. We've seen in pics that CS likes Frozen, Mark broke her princess shoes and when the media captured her leaving the family home she was wearing little princess shoes.

IMO I don't believe he was at that campsite for petty theft, I feel he had this very much planned, watched and waited until he had the golden opportunity to snatched CS from a tent while everyone was sleeping.

I just hope he is never allowed to be amongst a community again and that justice is used to the highest level for this to happen.

Those dolls stacked high in that Doll Museum of his---those are very expensive. How is he getting all that csh to purchase them?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I saw a LOT of attachment to the dolls from him, maybe the Aunty is ashamed of the doll attachment and covering for him?? He goes way further than just a collectors interest in my opinion, it’s fetish level yes?

 

[they'll get you]

I'm going to boldly say this but there has to be a reason these people collect these dolls I can see a monetary reason for it to eventually becoming collectors items as one reason.

There wouldn't be an issue if a woman collects dolls.
It maybe he has a feminine or child like side.

 

[JLZ]

If I have understood the timeline correctly, Gran has died 3 years ago, but TK has been running this doll collection/display/ fantasy life for around 11 years..?? at least 11 years, on the posts going back that far... ..

A small 2 bedroom house, hard to believe it was hidden from Gran.. Maybe it was all benign , him and Gran sharing the collection..and then he's left alone with it.. and.. .. things go to pieces, the centre does not hold..

Was he definitely living with Gran? I know it's said she brought him up but that would have been a long time ago.

 

[musicaljoke]

I don't disagree with you but could the motivation of the authorities be to spare the child future attention from the public and mental anguish that this horrible story is known all over the world?. Otherwise I can't see why they wouldn't say what the other offenses are. But they will hold him accountable for the other offences regardless. This is all speculation on my part.

The reason for not releasing the prior convictions before the sentencing stage is that each charge is to be tried strictly based on the evidence of that specific case. Prior convictions can prejudice a case.

For example, if a person who had a previous conviction of arson, suddenly has their house burn to the ground, it could lead to the assumption that the person burned down this house too. But the prior conviction is not evidence in the current trial, lest the person be falsely convicted.

 

[Trooper]

I saw a LOT of attachment to the dolls from him, maybe the Aunty is ashamed of the doll attachment and covering for him?? He goes way further than just a collectors interest in my opinion, it’s fetish level yes?

You could be on the money there, Mrs N... .. Keeping in mind, the term Aunty doesn't necessarily mean they are related by blood or marriage. It is the honorable title for the Elder ladies of his community, a lot of ladies of a certain age would be adressed as Aunty. ...

Giving something that has value away,, that's one thing, to a 'nephew'... not usual.

And certainly his collection is way into fetish territory, way , years, decades into it. Not just the dolls, per se, not just Bratz, but all the pics of littlies in bikini's etc, .. ...

The embarrassment element has a lot going for it. In my culture this kind of fetishized 'collecting', would be remarkable, but in his culture, even more so, it would be a matter the Elders, men and women would for sure be onto and addressing , if they knew about it.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

There are plenty of guys that collect dolls that have videos on YouTube explaining their collections, they take a deep interest, but I’ve never seen any actually personalising the dolls or interacting with them as TDK was. I think it’s part of his own identity as if he transfers his fantasy life into the doll, which is where he departs from collector to fetishist IMO.

 

[JudgeJudi]

As you know, in any western country, Crime is public. You commit crime , you can have no expectation of privacy, once you have been found to have sufficient reason to be charged with the crime or felony.

Police, courts, judges, magistrates, prisons, etc, all are paid for out of the public purse, because the public wants it that way, and consequently the public actually owns the information.

So that's the long answer. The short answer is yes, it can be found if his prior case went into case law.

It is incumbent upon a member if the jury to not seek out that information though. A persons prior convictions can only be exposed to the jury and the public after their verdict on the present case is reached.

Due to strict Privacy Law in Australia, you can only request a copy of your own criminal record, You are not allowed to access anyone else's if you want to find out whether they have been convicted of a crime unless you are a business or an employer.

[The above paragraph is the lead-in to the following which appears in the link]

‘However, there are a few easy steps you can take to review your information floating on the internet that you don’t want to display to the public correct or remove this damaging information. You can use the same techniques to do a free background check before taking on a roommate or going out on a date with that new crush you met online. You never know what sort of worrying or dangerous details could be lurking in someone’s past.

There is a tricky fact about background checks. If you are performing a criminal background check as a landlord or employer – or for credit, medical or insurance reasons — you can’t use just any service.

Under the Australian Human Right Law, only the Australian Police Agencies and ACIC accredited Agencies can provide the National Police Checks for above-mentioned purposes. In addition, all police checks must be undertaken with the written consent of the person being checked, unless the check is mandated by relevant legislations.”

https://policecheckexpress.com.au/resources/free-background-check/

 

[Trooper]

Due to strict Privacy Law in Australia, you can only request a copy of your own criminal record, You are not allowed to access anyone else's if you want to find out whether they have been convicted of a crime unless you are a business or an employer.

[The above paragraph is the lead-in to the following which appears in the link]

‘However, there are a few easy steps you can take to review your information floating on the internet that you don’t want to display to the public correct or remove this damaging information. You can use the same techniques to do a free background check before taking on a roommate or going out on a date with that new crush you met online. You never know what sort of worrying or dangerous details could be lurking in someone’s past.

There is a tricky fact about background checks. If you are performing a criminal background check as a landlord or employer – or for credit, medical or insurance reasons — you can’t use just any service.

Under the Australian Human Right Law, only the Australian Police Agencies and ACIC accredited Agencies can provide the National Police Checks for above-mentioned purposes. In addition, all police checks must be undertaken with the written consent of the person being checked, unless the check is mandated by relevant legislations.”

How To Do A Free Background Check - Police Check Express

This is one of the the information portals I usually use for checking up on things..

Public, Free. .. as I said, Crime is public. Once you go into the system you can have no expectation of privacy about it.

If you are unfortunate enough to have committed a very interesting crime, with elements of peculiarity, you can be sure you will go into Australian Case Law .

Australasian Legal Information Institute (austlii.edu.au)

 

[katydid23]

I’m not buying that this room with all the dolls is actually TK’s. Yes the Daily Mail claims it is but the photos and video were simply copied from his FB page. That room with its numerous display stands, what appears to be vinyl flooring and crown moulding does not gel with TK’s house.

IMO The photos and videos were taken by TK at another collector’s place. Possibly when he visited to make a purchase or view the collection. I’ll be surprised if someone doesn’t pipe up on one of the Bratz groups he’s following to say “Oi that’s my joint!”

So yes he’s clearly into his dolls but may not have owned all these. This may not be the room CS was held in. All just MOO

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10164271/ Accused-Terry-Kellys-alleged-Bratz-doll-obsession.html?

You know what---You are probably 100% right---I don't know why I jumped to the conclusion that was his Doll room. He didn't take any pictures of himself sitting in there or anything. And that many dolls would be very expensive. ....
EDIT---Oops, he was in some pictures/vids of the doll room...so IDK

 

[Trooper]

There are plenty of guys that collect dolls that have videos on YouTube explaining their collections, they take a deep interest, but I’ve never seen any actually personalising the dolls or interacting with them as TDK was. I think it’s part of his own identity as if he transfers his fantasy life into the doll, which is where he departs from collector to fetishist IMO.

This is the thing, isn't it, Mrs G.. as far as we know, these guys and their dolls, their little ponies etc, has not resulted in them stealing a child or a pony, as far as is known.

They may go around patting real life ponies, or /and real life little girls, etc.. but.. there is a line.

It's the matter of him being unable to discern the reality of his life with the fantasy of his life. He stepped over. He merged these intrinsic parts of his psyche and there it is. Takes a child from a tent. and keeps that child for 19 days.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't disagree with you but could the motivation of the authorities be to spare the child future attention from the public and mental anguish that this horrible story is known all over the world?. Otherwise I can't see why they wouldn't say what the other offenses are. But they will hold him accountable for the other offences regardless. This is all speculation on my part.

That is exactly what I meant.

 

[JudgeJudi]

dbm

 

[Allabouttrial]

The reason for not releasing the prior convictions before the sentencing stage is that each charge is to be tried strictly based on the evidence of that specific case. Prior convictions can prejudice a case.

For example, if a person who had a previous conviction of arson, suddenly has their house burn to the ground, it could lead to the assumption that the person burned down this house too. But the prior conviction is not evidence in the current trial, lest the person be falsely convicted.

Same as happens in US trials then.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

You know what---You are probably 100% right---I don't know why I jumped to the conclusion that was his Doll room. He didn't take any pictures of himself sitting in there or anything. And that many dolls would be very expensive. ....

There was a profile pic / vid of him in a room and as it panned around showed the shelved dolls in the background though ..

 

[JudgeJudi]

This is one of the the information portals I usually use for checking up on things..

Public, Free. .. as I said, Crime is public. Once you go into the system you can have no expectation of privacy about it.

If you are unfortunate enough to have committed a very interesting crime, with elements of peculiarity, you can be sure you will go into Australian Case Law .

Australasian Legal Information Institute (austlii.edu.au)

Apologies Trooper. I misunderstood what you were getting at. I inferred that if someone was charged, they would be on the system and you could check their history.