Found Alive Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction, 4 y.o. victim found alive, WA ,16 Oct 2021

[PinkPower]

I'm not trying to "give him a pass"

I'm trying to understand the human being inside this person. The one who didn't kill her and hide her dead body.

He likely didn't kill her or hide her dead body because police found her in time.

Criminal psyches are not that complex or interesting. All crime is incentivised by the same thing - personal interest and a flagrant disregard for the rights of others or society on a whole.

 

[PinkPower]

BBM. I posted a link to an article in The Guardian about this yesterday. Speaking for myself, it was a roundabout way to indicate the social disorder that accompanies many missing children and indeed many children who experience harms here. It’s a context not just for today, but yesterday, when the accused was a minor himself.

I guess it bothers me when any group tries to coopt a serious criminal case for their own agenda. Similar to what I saw occur with the Brian Laundrie matter.
<modsnip> The issue at hand is the kidnapping of a little girl and hopefully the very long incarceration of the accused.

Looking at peoples motives based on their childhood conditions is one thing, but trying to turn this into a different topic that has nothing to do with a little girl being snatched from her parents in the dead of night while on vacation isn't right.

 

[Marg944]

I guess it bothers me when any group tries to coopt a serious criminal case for their own agenda. Similar to what I saw occur with the Brian Laundrie matter.
<modsnip> The issue at hand is the kidnapping of a little girl and hopefully the very long incarceration of the accused.

Looking at peoples motives based on their childhood conditions is one thing, but trying to turn this into a different topic that has nothing to do with a little girl being snatched from her parents in the dead of night while on vacation isn't right.

I actually hope it will also give some leads into other like-minded people who may become obvious when the LE glean through his social media, and his internet activity.

 

[PinkPower]

I actually hope it will also give some leads into other like-minded people who may become obvious when the LE glean through his social media, and his internet activity.

Hopefully!

 

[PinkPower]

I wonder if he kept a journal/diary before he had access to the internet to create the fake family. A family tree, even?

You'd think so! Imagine how hard it would be to keep up with all of those personas if not!

 

[margarita25]

What an absolute blessing this Angel was found.

 

[SouthAussie]

Do we know for sure he was the one driving? Might explain his car being on the drive if he wasn’t

I think he was driving the car, when it was pulled over.

Dashcam footage seems to show the driver's door hurriedly being opened by the police, and him being put on the ground.

.dailymail.co.uk/ Video-Dashcam-shows-moment-police-corner-alleged-abductor

 

[PrimeSuspect]

He likely didn't kill her or hide her dead body because police found her in time.

Criminal psyches are not that complex or interesting. All crime is incentivised by the same thing - personal interest and a flagrant disregard for the rights of others or society on a whole.

I agree, this is a victim friendly forum, and last I checked, the accused is not the victim. The police had to track him down to find CS, she was alone, locked in a strange man's house, snatched from the parents she loved and who loved her. We don't know what he allegedly planned for CS or what went on in his house. CS asks her mother to watch her as she falls asleep.
No matter what he's been through in his life, and it's an assumption on our part, her life and her family's, will never be the same, and he's allegedly responsible for it.

We don't have to minimize the traumatic experience of the victim to boost the accused's actions as being a minor offence, we can leave that to his legal team.

Whether he's found guilty or innocent, can't we give the victim respect and acknowledge her ordeal? jmo

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Also, in the ‘my name is C’ audio, isn’t that the sound of the door being forcibly opened at the start? Apologies if I’ve misconstrued.

Yeah, just listened closely to the audio, I can hear a metal sound, probably the front of the battering ram?
accused-kidnapper-TK-pictured-with-childrens-dolls

 

[PinkPower]

I also wonder if the cops used the other people in the car as a ruse to get him out of the house???

Extremely unlikely. They wouldn't jeopardise a kidnap investigation by getting his family involved. No way.

 

[drsleuth]

Extremely unlikely. They wouldn't jeopardise a kidnap investigation by getting his family involved. No way.

Have the police said who was in the car publicly???

 

[AnalyticalMind]

ok. I still don't know, no one knows what dolls the little girl had as her collection, or if she was into any such of a thing at all. ..

A question to 'doll collectors..'.. in your normal .. um. .. intersecting with your collection.,. do you just look at them, in their boxes? do you take them out of the boxes and .. ah.. manipulate them into sitting up, or lying down, or standing up against something? do you swap their clothing?/ do you have a sort of wardrobe for each doll? do you name them? are they colour coded? coded by genre? coded by manufacturer?? .

My daughter generally keeps the street ones in their boxes, if it's just like easy to obtain, £25 (for example) dolls she opens them. Many come with stands, there's so many different doll ranges, and "series" within those ranges they get kept together by range on the same shelf or shelves. We have around 50 boxed rare dolls and over 300 (at the last count a year ago it's probably way more) way more unboxed, some on display and some in storage boxes. The rarer, more expensive ones or newer ranges are displayed. My daughter tends to keep them in their original clothing no, if they come with a change of clothes it's stored away (if the doll is opened) and accessories such as snowboards for example are stood next to the doll. My daughter at one point had houses, schools, cars, in fact her whole bedroom was a shrine to Monster High. Now it's just the dolls themselves as she doesn't play with them, they're only for display. They all have their own names which they come with designed by the manufacturer. Some of the doll ranges have TV shows, movies.

 

[SouthAussie]

Have the police said who was in the car publicly???

I have actually never seen an MSM description of who was in the car with him .... other than "female relatives".

7NEWS understands Kelly was not alone when he was cornered and had female relatives inside the car with him at the time.
7news.com.a dashcam-shows-dramatic-moment-alleged-abductor-terence-darrell-kelly-was-arrested-by-wa-police


I don't know where the other details come from. Would love to see a link, though.

 

[styzrz]

I can't imagine that he would post his new "doll" and no one seeing it would attempt to claim the $1,000,000.00 reward. So, I really doubt that pictures of her made it to the dark web.

In fact, police scoured the dark web and found no matches.

https://7news.com.au/news/wa/CS-search-sees-police-scour-dark-web-in-search-for-clues-c-4408675

BBM

This implies that;

a) there was a $1,000,000 reward offered on the morning of Oct 16th. There wasn’t. The reward was offered 3 days later.

b) that one has to include the child’s face or distinguishing features if sharing anything online.
They don’t.

Keep in mind that my comment was specific to his post made on the morning of Oct 16th. I think it’s possible that something was shared with someone, but that doesn’t mean that I think her face was being plastered across the dark web for the next 18 days.

I feel that altogether dismissing his FB post made at 6:07am on Oct 16th is ignoring some key evidence.
People talk about “thinking outside the box” and from what I’ve seen TK is the epitome of “outside the box”. I’ve doubted a lot of stuff since day one, this narrative included, however now we can only look at what evidence he left behind until the facts are made public.

So my question to you is what’s your opinion on why he made that frantically written post within hours of CS being abducted? Why that specific subject?

 

[AnalyticalMind]

In those photos of the room, there are many different doll brands, from Bratz, Barbie, Frozen, Barbie, Disney, Lalaloopsy and even some Hot Wheels.

Was that room where CS was found, I can't say that for 100% fact. But we have seen pics of a blocked out window, a black bed, TK laying on a black bed with a Bratz Quilt Cover. So IMO at some stage TK did have a room set up like the one's we have seen. I have attached some pics

In the one where it says door, if you zoom in it is actually a window, as you can see a plastic curtain rod holder on the right.

We've seen a black bed in the backyard under the verandah.

IMO maybe TK's doll collection started with Bratz and has just followed on and grew when a new Brand becomes popular.

I've looked at many of his alleged fake account's and the collection of doll brands varies, it's not just doll's he posted, he has posts of children's bikini's, of children wearing bikini's and the list goes on. If you keep digging all the account's link to each other, each time you click on the likes it just leads to a whole new family he had created and they all lead back to that Bratz account. It's very very disturbing.

IMO I feel at some stage he has crossed paths with CS maybe dressed as a Frozen character and became so fixated that he just couldn't resist. We've seen in pics that CS likes Frozen, Mark broke her princess shoes and when the media captured her leaving the family home she was wearing little princess shoes.

IMO I don't believe he was at that campsite for petty theft, I feel he had this very much planned, watched and waited until he had the golden opportunity to snatched CS from a tent while everyone was sleeping.

I just hope he is never allowed to be amongst a community again and that justice is used to the highest level for this to happen.

The Disney Princess toddler dolls stuck out to me right away. I had my daughter look at the photos and she immediately identified many of the exact Bratz dolls (she has collected dolls for over ten years and we have hundreds) which were original (as in from the first waves not the recent releases) so in my opinion he wasn't just buying random dolls, which I suspected anyway but my daughters vast knowledge confirmed this.

 

[Okapi]

I guess it bothers me when any group tries to coopt a serious criminal case for their own agenda. Similar to what I saw occur with the Brian Laundrie matter.
<modsnip> The issue at hand is the kidnapping of a little girl and hopefully the very long incarceration of the accused.

Looking at peoples motives based on their childhood conditions is one thing, but trying to turn this into a different topic that has nothing to do with a little girl being snatched from her parents in the dead of night while on vacation isn't right.

Fair enough. I hadn’t considered those agendas. I was considering the childhood conditions.

 

[Deleted member 296843]

So the photo of his car in many articles shows no licence plates, do we know for sure that it had no plates and or was unregistered? (We can only see the front in the photos so not sure about the back)

I know we know for sure that he has never had a licence as its it many articles just not alot of mention of the car rego
(I wondered how you would by a new car without rego) (i hav read a few articles that he got the new car after the grandma passed im just wondering if he got it brand new?)

I can't believe he did so much running around with no plates and no licence, all the bunnings trips, woolworths, toyworld, neighbour saying he was driving up and down the street, you would think if a cop saw him he would be pulled over immediately and you wouldthinkthere wouldbe huge police presence in town (luckily he was never pulled over and locked up while she was in his house alone)

 

[Deleted member 296843]

Dose anyone know more about the riots on tonkin crescent on the 16 October 2020 I can post the article if I can find it, the dates seem like such a coincidence I wonder if in his twisted mind doing this was some form of protest

 

[Okapi]

I have actually never seen an MSM description of who was in the car with him .... other than "female relatives".

7NEWS understands Kelly was not alone when he was cornered and had female relatives inside the car with him at the time.
7news.com.a dashcam-shows-dramatic-moment-alleged-abductor-terence-darrell-kelly-was-arrested-by-wa-police


I don't know where the other details come from. Would love to see a link, though.

Yes, it’s a curiosity, I’ve only seen reference to two female relatives too, rather than a six year old child.

 

[musicaljoke]

BBM

I am wondering if he bragged to one or two people by showing off his new “doll” and that maybe they spread the word. This would explain the sudden influx of friend requests that caused him to make that post at 6:07am on the morning of. Pure speculation of course.

Regardless of whether or not any of this is true, something that is clear is that FB has some cleaning up to do.

I can't imagine that he would post his new "doll" and no one seeing it would attempt to claim the $1,000,000.00 reward. So, I really doubt that pictures of her made it to the dark web.

In fact, police scoured the dark web and found no matches.

https://7news.com.au/news/wa/CS-search-sees-police-scour-dark-web-in-search-for-clues-c-4408675

BBM

This implies that;

a) there was a $1,000,000 reward offered on the morning of Oct 16th. There wasn’t. The reward was offered 3 days later.

b) that one has to include the child’s face or distinguishing features if sharing anything online.
They don’t.

Keep in mind that my comment was specific to his post made on the morning of Oct 16th. I think it’s possible that something was shared with someone, but that doesn’t mean that I think her face was being plastered across the dark web for the next 18 days.

I feel that altogether dismissing his FB post made at 6:07am on Oct 16th is ignoring some key evidence.
People talk about “thinking outside the box” and from what I’ve seen TK is the epitome of “outside the box”. I’ve doubted a lot of stuff since day one, this narrative included, however now we can only look at what evidence he left behind until the facts are made public.

So my question to you is what’s your opinion on why he made that frantically written post within hours of CS being abducted? Why that specific subject?

According to what we know from information provided by LE, there were no images on the dark web.

In my opinion, criminals using the dark web to exchange illegal images are not going to take the risk of making facebook friend requests.

There could be any number of reasons for him to write that message. It could be just paranoia.