GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[JLZ]

I do not understand why this is still not cleared up , because i saw a press conference where LA were asked by a reporter whether her hair had been died and the answer was a definite " NO " i had put this too bed at that point and was some time ago so I am not understanding why some keep bringing it back up ..surely other members here heard it as well .

I think when you're wrong about something you like to understand it, so you have that knowledge for future use.

Edit: OK I need to add that personally I never thought C's hair was dyed; I think it's darkened with age and at times was lightened with sun-bleaching. I suspect picture with the pink balloon has been enhanced to intensify the pinks. I think the hair colourist who said there was no red in C's hair was talking from a knowledge of hair dyes and not of the components that naturally make up the colour of young undyed hair. Artficial blonde and grey hair get dyed with blue because otherwise they turn brassy or dirty grey.

 

[5W's]

Yes, it was reported that the charge was child stealing. Hope that the 'other offences' he was charged with relate to deprivation of liberty and not something more nefarious.
They could even be more minor charges related to driving without a license, unregistered vehicle, marijuana posession etc.

Yes, but at the same time if the intention was trafficking all of these charges would apply if nothing nefarious was found other than the charges you mentioned here. I still cannot get over how calm this child was when rescued. I was thinking that charges of a nefarious nature would be levelled but LE hasn't said anything. It could be to protect the child's future that they haven't said anything. If this is part of some trafficking ring the public should know IMO. I appreciate that the child is being protected by not mentioning other charges if nefarious. There must be a way for the public to know if there is maybe a connection to a trafficking ring for safety sake.

 

[Marg944]

We were discussing CC's case on here a few days ago, that happened in 2014 in Bundaberg, Queensland. A 45 year old male climbed through an open house window and abducted CC, and kept her at his house for 42 hours. He bathed her and dressed her and then released her in the dark in a street. Eventually, he was caught, and charged with:- one count each of burglary, child stealing and deprivation of liberty. (the charge of burglary was for breaking into a tennis club to get food whilst trying to evade police) .

abc.net.au 17th April 2019

A Queensland man who broke into a random home, abducted a sleeping three-year-old girl and kept her at his house for two days could walk free from jail in four months.
Eden James Kane, 50, pleaded guilty to child stealing after he plucked the girl in the middle of the night as she slept by a window in her lounge room in Childers in April 2014.
He was sentenced in Brisbane District Court today to four-and-a-half years in jail.
It was also successfully argued that it was inappropriate for the sentencing judge to express the importance of a deterrent when Kane had successfully sought ongoing treatment for his bipolar disorder.

Kane pleaded guilty to five charges including one count of child stealing and one count of burglary — and it was those two charges that were successfully appealed.
Kane's defence lawyer argued his client had "reduced moral culpability" because of his deteriorating mental health at the time of the abduction.

The court heard he had a volatile childhood and a background of alcohol and drug use.

The defence argued there was no sexual motive to the crime and the child was "looked after competently" over the two days she was at Kane's home.

His original four-and-a-half year sentence will be reduced to three years.

'No direct evidence that Jane was terrified': Man who abducted 3yo girl wins appeal
Man jailed for abducting 3yo girl through window while she was sleeping

 

[5W's]

We were discussing CC's case on here a few days ago, that happened in 2014 in Bundaberg, Queensland. A 45 year old male climbed through an open house window and abducted CC, and kept her at his house for 42 hours. He bathed her and dressed her and then released her in the dark in a street. Eventually, he was caught, and charged with:- one count each of burglary, child stealing and deprivation of liberty. (the charge of burglary was for breaking into a tennis club to get food whilst trying to evade police) .

abc.net.au 17th April 2019

A Queensland man who broke into a random home, abducted a sleeping three-year-old girl and kept her at his house for two days could walk free from jail in four months.
Eden James Kane, 50, pleaded guilty to child stealing after he plucked the girl in the middle of the night as she slept by a window in her lounge room in Childers in April 2014.
He was sentenced in Brisbane District Court today to four-and-a-half years in jail.
It was also successfully argued that it was inappropriate for the sentencing judge to express the importance of a deterrent when Kane had successfully sought ongoing treatment for his bipolar disorder.

Kane pleaded guilty to five charges including one count of child stealing and one count of burglary — and it was those two charges that were successfully appealed.
Kane's defence lawyer argued his client had "reduced moral culpability" because of his deteriorating mental health at the time of the abduction.

The court heard he had a volatile childhood and a background of alcohol and drug use.

The defence argued there was no sexual motive to the crime and the child was "looked after competently" over the two days she was at Kane's home.

His original four-and-a-half year sentence will be reduced to three years.

'No direct evidence that Jane was terrified': Man who abducted 3yo girl wins appeal
Man jailed for abducting 3yo girl through window while she was sleeping

IMO bathing and dressing a child (other than the parent of the child or lawful guardian: grandparent, babysitter) is very personal to that child. I wouldn't think of doing this with someone else's child unless I was the babysitter hired by the parents. Thanks for bringing this up, though. I have to say IMO the judge gave a sentence that I believe is too lenient. I will say this regardless of anything else IMO this man's actions were assault upon that child. He had no right to touch that child regardless of his bipolar disorder. The fact he touched the child is nefarious and he got his jollies. There is no reason to bathe and dress someone else's child. I was looking at TK as possibly a middleman in trafficking before you brought this up. In TK's case though there still is a possibility because of the doll collection and the price.

 

[JLZ]

I left out some 3s. Corrections, bolded:

Chapter 33 is titled Offences against liberty, into which fall: section 332 Kidnapping; section 333 Deprivation of liberty; and sections 336 and 337 which refer to the Mental Health Act. Chapter 34 is titled Offences relating to parental rights and duties, into which falls section 343 Child stealing.

 

[PinkPower]

Yes, but at the same time if the intention was trafficking all of these charges would apply if nothing nefarious was found other than the charges you mentioned here. I still cannot get over how calm this child was when rescued. I was thinking that charges of a nefarious nature would be levelled but LE hasn't said anything. It could be to protect the child's future that they haven't said anything. If this is part of some trafficking ring the public should know IMO. I appreciate that the child is being protected by not mentioning other charges if nefarious. There must be a way for the public to know if there is maybe a connection to a trafficking ring for safety sake.

Given that the police have ruled out that anyone else was involved, I find the trafficking theory extremely unlikely. JMO.

 

[PinkPower]

I think when you're wrong about something you like to understand it, so you have that knowledge for future use.

Edit: OK I need to add that personally I never thought C's hair was dyed; I think it's darkened with age and at times was lightened with sun-bleaching. I suspect picture with the pink balloon has been enhanced to intensify the pinks. I think the hair colourist who said there was no red in C's hair was talking from a knowledge of hair dyes and not of the components that naturally make up the colour of young undyed hair. Artficial blonde and grey hair get dyed with blue because otherwise they turn brassy or dirty grey.

Hair colourist said it works the same whether it's artificial or not.

When you bleach hair, you take colour out of it. People with brown hair usually have warm red pigments in their hair which has to be taken out in order to get to blonde. People with artificial blonde put blue in to counteract the brassiness of the red. People with naturally blonde hair (like me) have to put red into our hair in order to dye it brown, otherwise it turns green or ashy. I have been going to hair dressers to dye my hair brown for many years and never thought to ask why they put red in! lol

Eitherway, I accept that it's been ruled out and think that (like you said) it's likely that it was dyed prior to the abduction - until facts show otherwise.

 

[PinkPower]

IMO bathing and dressing a child (other than the parent of the child or lawful guardian: grandparent, babysitter) is very personal to that child. I wouldn't think of doing this with someone else's child unless I was the babysitter hired by the parents. Thanks for bringing this up, though. I have to say IMO the judge gave a sentence that I believe is too lenient. I will say this regardless of anything else IMO this man's actions were assault upon that child. He had no right to touch that child regardless of his bipolar disorder. The fact he touched the child is nefarious and he got his jollies. There is no reason to bathe and dress someone else's child. I was looking at TK as possibly a middleman in trafficking before you brought this up. In TK's case though there still is a possibility because of the doll collection and the price.

I agree with you and there might be some charges around the alleged grooming.

Usually, in cases where children have been sexually abused, they won't publish the charges when the victim is known to protect the child's privacy, especially in a high-profile case like this. With child trafficking, they're usually published.

I'm not saying that the reason they haven't said which other charges relate is because of sexual abuse, it is just one of the reasons they might not publish. The other charges might be a bunch of minor things which aren't of much significance. Let's hope that's all it is.

 

[5W's]

Given that the police have ruled out that anyone else was involved, I find the trafficking theory extremely unlikely. JMO.

Is that the immediate people in the car when TK was arrested. Its still early in its investigation, I think so perhaps down the road we will fully know for sure. The Facebook pages that were mentioned in earlier threads are pretty gross. Grown adult men looking at little girls in leatards and bikinis. There is a nefarious component here.

 

[JLZ]

Hair colourist said it works the same whether it's artificial or not.

When you bleach hair, you take colour out of it. People with brown hair usually have warm red pigments in their hair which has to be taken out in order to get to blonde. People with artificial blonde put blue in to counteract the brassiness of the red. People with naturally blonde hair (like me) have to put red into our hair in order to dye it brown, otherwise it turns green or ashy. I have been going to hair dressers to dye my hair brown for many years and never thought to ask why they put red in! lol

Eitherway, I accept that it's been ruled out and think that (like you said) it's likely that it was dyed prior to the abduction - until facts show otherwise.

Perhaps we'll meet on a case where hair dye is on topic and we can argue further!

 

[Rumination1]

I think I saw there were arrests in Gympie yesterday related to cp..... let’s hope the cops can arrest a whole bunch of people and let’s hope CS stays well and there is stuff in place to protect her privacy . I accept we have no right to know more about her welfare now but hope we do get to find out the outcome for TK and that it is reflective of what he put her and her family through

 

[Deleted member 296843]

I really wonder if TK knew who he was taking from the tent, I wonder how different the situation could of been if the child had special needs (the child could of been screaming constantly and he may not hav been able to handle a child with special needs) or if the child needed daily medication for survival, even what he did was so dangerous to a child who doesn't hav special needs and who doesn't need medication what if something medical may hav happened where the child needed emergency department or a doctor but in his situation of child stealing wouldn't be able to see a doctor, it really feels like the charge isn't enough the situation could of been alot different compared to who the child was and what their level of needs are

 

[Okapi]

BBM

Just for the record, Carnarvon is hot/warm all year round. A kid could wear a dress in any month.

Gosh yes, that’s temperate all year, scratch the winter comment. Still I’d say the photos are contemporaneous on the assumption it’s the same dress.

 

[Okapi]

I do not understand why this is still not cleared up , because i saw a press conference where LA were asked by a reporter whether her hair had been died and the answer was a definite " NO " i had put this too bed at that point and was some time ago so I am not understanding why some keep bringing it back up ..surely other members here heard it as well .

Interestingly I can’t find a link for the LE rebuttal. Anyone?

 

[Okapi]

Police patrols to prevent looting and vigilante attacks on TK’s house.

POLICE PATROL: 24/7 watch on home of CS kidnap accused

 

[styzrz]

Interestingly I can’t find a link for the LE rebuttal. Anyone?

I’m fairly certain that the question was asked when the police addressed the media in front of the Carnarvon police station on the first and maybe second day of her return?
The problem was that you could barely hear the questions being asked by the reporters so I had to watch them a few times to pick it up.

 

[centred]

I’m fairly certain that the question was asked when the police addressed the media in front of the Carnarvon police station on the first and maybe second day of her return?
The problem was that you could barely hear the questions being asked by the reporters so I had to watch them a few times to pick it up.

Correct Styzrz We really have to tune our ears in at times at pressers ....otherwise much can be missed

 

[Officer Dibble]

This brings me to a query that butterflied across my mind earlier - IIRC police removed a Bratz doll from the property. Does anyone have any ideas why one doll out of possibly scores of dolls was removed for examination? Is it too obvious to suggest it was played with or handled by someone else other than possibly the child?

Sharp thinking by you. Thanks for sharing.

 

[peanutJelly]

IMO bathing and dressing a child (other than the parent of the child or lawful guardian: grandparent, babysitter) is very personal to that child. I wouldn't think of doing this with someone else's child unless I was the babysitter hired by the parents. Thanks for bringing this up, though. I have to say IMO the judge gave a sentence that I believe is too lenient. I will say this regardless of anything else IMO this man's actions were assault upon that child. He had no right to touch that child regardless of his bipolar disorder. The fact he touched the child is nefarious and he got his jollies. There is no reason to bathe and dress someone else's child. I was looking at TK as possibly a middleman in trafficking before you brought this up. In TK's case though there still is a possibility because of the doll collection and the price.

I think from a child’s perspective though they expect an adult to take care of them so wouldn’t be surprised by bathing etc in the absence of a parent at CS age would look towards another adult for care

 

[Marg944]

Police patrols to prevent looting and vigilante attacks on TK’s house.

POLICE PATROL: 24/7 watch on home of CS kidnap accused

Photo in this news article, dated Nov 13 shows that TK's car is not there. Which is very odd, I would have thought that would have made news if it was removed?