Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[mishachilli]

“On this journey Theo repeatedly uses Google Maps, each time searching for how to get back to his hostel. But the Google Timeline shows he was going the opposite way to the hostel.”

NoCookies | The Australian

Thanks I did hear that too but it isn’t exactly clear if they are referring to the direction he takes immediately after CM or from Tennyson towards CC.

 

[Rocket333]

Thanks I did hear that too but it isn’t exactly clear if they are referring to the direction he takes immediately after CM or from Tennyson towards CC.

“Google shows us that Theo had started walking from Cheeky Monkey’s at 11.07pm. Just over a minute later he stopped on Kingsley Street for a minute and entered the address of his hostel Wake Up into Google Maps. He then continued walking for 4 minutes and 40 seconds at an average speed of just over 7 kms an hour.”

David Murray - 56.37 minutes into Podcast 3 of The Lighthouse podcast series

We’re yet to learn what he used his phone for in the minute it took to leave the bar and pause to use GMs further along on Kingsley Street.

 

[Rocket333]

“Google shows us that Theo had started walking from Cheeky Monkey’s at 11.07pm. Just over a minute later he stopped on Kingsley Street for a minute and entered the address of his hostel Wake Up into Google Maps. “ Lighthouse podcast 3 @ 56.37minutes.

A one minute average walk down Kingsley brings you to just before Middleton Street. A faster pace may take you between Middleton and Tennyson but if we base it on GMs, he could’ve paused before Middleton Street to check directions to WU. Those directions say to go back the way you came: back to Jonson Street.

 

[mishachilli]

“Google shows us that Theo had started walking from Cheeky Monkey’s at 11.07pm. Just over a minute later he stopped on Kingsley Street for a minute and entered the address of his hostel Wake Up into Google Maps. “ Lighthouse podcast 3 @ 56.37minutes.

A one minute average walk down Kingsley brings you to just before Middleton Street. A faster pace may take you between Middleton and Tennyson but if we base it on GMs, he could’ve paused before Middleton Street to check directions to WU. Those directions say to go back the way you came: back to Jonson Street.

Yeah from Kingsley my GM doesn’t tell me to go back the way I came. It gives me both options (Kingsley / Tennyson) and Jonson as a similar ETA (albeit Jonson one min slower) . I’m not sure about the one minute walk you mention down Kingsley because the podcast says he walked for 4 mins 40 sec from Kingsley street which on my GM places him at the rec fields (oval). Podcast doesn’t mention if GM were set to walk or drive directions but others have suggested backpackers often keep it in drive to stay on the most safe / lit path. Ironically that wasn’t what happened.

 

[bearbear]

theo was also an animal lover so may have tried to help or followed a stray or injured dog/

 

[Rocket333]

Yeah from Kingsley my GM doesn’t tell me to go back the way I came. It gives me both options (Kingsley / Tennyson) and Jonson as a similar ETA (albeit Jonson one min slower) . I’m not sure about the one minute walk you mention down Kingsley because the podcast says he walked for 4 mins 40 sec from Kingsley street which on my GM places him at the rec fields (oval). Podcast doesn’t mention if GM were set to walk or drive directions but others have suggested backpackers often keep it in drive to stay on the most safe / lit path. Ironically that wasn’t what happened.

Listen to podcast 3 again. Cousin Michael talks about their gathering of phone data, mapping of his route, and that they re-enacted it. As aforementioned, at 56. 37 minutes into the podcast the narrator states that Theo walked for one minute from CMS down Kingsley before pausing to check google maps.

 

[mishachilli]

Listen to podcast 3 again. Cousin Michael talks about their gathering of phone data, mapping of his route, and that they re-enacted it. As aforementioned, at 56. 37 minutes into the podcast the narrator states that Theo walked for one minute from CMS down Kingsley before pausing to check google maps.

Yep okay.

 

[mishachilli]

Listen to podcast 3 again. Cousin Michael talks about their gathering of phone data, mapping of his route, and that they re-enacted it. As aforementioned, at 56. 37 minutes into the podcast the narrator states that Theo walked for one minute from CMS down Kingsley before pausing to check google maps.

I listened again to ep 3 and it isn’t giving me any clarity as to whether he was walking against the direction of GM from Kingsley down Tennyson. This does feel important to me to find out. Again, if he was ignoring the map directions to WU then he likely had other plans to meet someone IMO. And if he was following the directions of GM to get to WU either in drive or walk mode, then he’s likely run into trouble in that 7 mins. Having a plan to meet someone would give more credit to the theory that he went to CC. However it doesn’t make sense to me that he would go that way with someone he just met.

 

[BusterXP]

Agree it’s not a focus but if maps can take me that way then it’s a likelihood it suggested this direction to Théo. IMO he didn’t have any plans after being kicked out and was trying to get home. And if he runs into ppl at the Rec Fields then it’s highly unlikely they are ppl he knows in which case I can’t get him following them (running mind you) through the Milne track past the Tallows car park beach exit and into thick scrub with some local he just met. If I could rule out maps taking him down Tennyson then I’d be more likely to assume he had plans to meet someone and he knew where he was going.

IIRC, then in the third podcast, mention was made that he wasn't navigating using maps except to look up the route back to WU. I find that hard to believe given the routes he took.
There's a possibility he may have used maps while not being logged into Google. I use two accounts and sometimes I log out of one and forget to log into any. But if that was the case it might not record him looking up the way back to WU.
I think it's likely he did meet with someone and he had definite initial plans that may have changed. Someone knows something IMO.
I don't correlate that to foul play because there's no evidence of that. Foul play is likely but only as likely as other possibilities.
What we do know is he 'seemed' comfortable at Cosy Corner. There's no indication that he was distressed or had been through a distressing situation. That's provided it was him using the phone - fingerprint login (with possible pattern backup) makes it likely it was him.

 

[mussopossum]

Being sensible does not preclude helping someone who is being victimised. imo

There was just debate about this on another thread. Many have and would help a person who is being victimised - either by stepping in, or by calling the police. Some wouldn't assist due to their own anxieties or fears.

Good point SA, I guess I am thinking in my own shoes here too. Guilty

 

[SouthAussie]

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I am not admin, but I have been here for a long time.
No, this kinda stuff is not allowed. We are a victim friendly site, and your post gives no MSM or 'official' proof of what you are stating.

 

[mishachilli]

IIRC, then in the third podcast, mention was made that he wasn't navigating using maps except to look up the route back to WU. I find that hard to believe given the routes he took.
There's a possibility he may have used maps while not being logged into Google. I use two accounts and sometimes I log out of one and forget to log into any. But if that was the case it might not record him looking up the way back to WU.
I think it's likely he did meet with someone and he had definite initial plans that may have changed. Someone knows something IMO.
I don't correlate that to foul play because there's no evidence of that. Foul play is likely but only as likely as other possibilities.
What we do know is he 'seemed' comfortable at Cosy Corner. There's no indication that he was distressed or had been through a distressing situation. That's provided it was him using the phone - fingerprint login (with possible pattern backup) makes it likely it was him.

I read that maps keep the phone active and stops requirement for fingerprint logon. Not sure if that’s correct. But if it was him at CC (I don’t think it was) then why run, especially through such difficult terrain? What reason could there be to run all that way even if he was with someone?

 

[BusterXP]

I read that maps keep the phone active and stops requirement for fingerprint logon. Not sure if that’s correct. But if it was him at CC (I don’t think it was) then why run, especially through such difficult terrain? What reason could there be to run all that way even if he was with someone?

Yes it does when navigating. Login is also disabled when 'trusted'.
I'm thinking of later at CC when Theo may have been stationary, perhaps sitting and chilling.
I have no clue re running except that it stopped and that he seemed 'ok' at CC.

 

[mishachilli]

Yes it does when navigating. Login is also disabled when 'trusted'.
I'm thinking of later at CC when Theo may have been stationary, perhaps sitting and chilling.
I have no clue re running except that it stopped and that he seemed 'ok' at CC.

I believe phone was kept active at CC until it went into sleep mode. Maps were disabled, YouTube vid watched, what’s app msg sent. Presumably with this regular activity you wouldn’t require passcode.

 

[SouthAussie]

Okay ... how about we get back to discussing the case ... under WS TOS?

Opinions okay, theories okay, no alluding to the victim being involved with illegalities that no-one could possibly know, provide a relevant allowable link if you state something as fact, no FB stuff except the official page and MSM.

C'mon guys. Let's keep the thread open for Theo.

 

[SouthAussie]

IIRC, then in the third podcast, mention was made that he wasn't navigating using maps except to look up the route back to WU. I find that hard to believe given the routes he took.
There's a possibility he may have used maps while not being logged into Google. I use two accounts and sometimes I log out of one and forget to log into any. But if that was the case it might not record him looking up the way back to WU.
I think it's likely he did meet with someone and he had definite initial plans that may have changed. Someone knows something IMO.
I don't correlate that to foul play because there's no evidence of that. Foul play is likely but only as likely as other possibilities.
What we do know is he 'seemed' comfortable at Cosy Corner. There's no indication that he was distressed or had been through a distressing situation. That's provided it was him using the phone - fingerprint login (with possible pattern backup) makes it likely it was him.

Is that right, that there was fingerprint login on Theo's phone?
That is something I missed somewhere along the line.

 

[mussopossum]

Is that right, that there was fingerprint login on Theo's phone?
That is something I missed somewhere along the line.

Correct however someone mentioned here that it was overridden I think in a certain mode sleep or standby or something?

 

[Chiatos]

Okay ... how about we get back to discussing the case ... under WS TOS?

Opinions okay, theories okay, no alluding to the victim being involved with illegalities that no-one could possibly know, provide a relevant allowable link of you state something as fact, no FB stuff except the official page and MSM.

C'mon guys. Let's keep the thread open for Theo.

I have no idea what is going on (between .. and ..), but this is what I have been sorting out:
Has it ever been mentioned here on WS that there is a direct path from CC to the Lighthouse?

From there it is easy to cross to Main Beach.

 

[BusterXP]

I believe phone was kept active at CC until it went into sleep mode. Maps were disabled, YouTube vid watched, what’s app msg sent. Presumably with this regular activity you wouldn’t require passcode.

I think it was above 15% for a period of time after the YouTube video was viewed and the messages were sent. Power Savings Mode would fit in with the times released. The time length is about what you'd get from it before it shut down.
I think it's some time after that Power Savings kicked in. Power Savings can either be active automatically or manually. I have mine set to just give a prompt at 15% - I disabled auto Power Savings on it. It will shut of completely at 5% power.
Smart Lock keeps the phone accessible without a login required under certain circumstances.
Choose when your Android device can stay unlocked - Android Help
Bottom lines are that I think it was Theo using the phone at CC but I also think 'someone' turned it back on the next day for just long enough to record a ping. You can turn it on without logging in. There's no mention made if there was sustained service or multiple pings the next day.

 

[BusterXP]

I have no idea what is going on (between .. and ..), but this is what I have been sorting out:
Has it ever been mentioned here on WS that there is a direct path from CC to the Lighthouse?

From there it is easy to cross to Main Beach.

There are old goat tracks. Some do and have attempted the climb. It was during an attempt not long before Theo went missing that someone fell trying to undertake the climb.
I forget the name but the mother of that person started a campaign for better signage. She also raised funds for rescue equipment. IIRC, the SES stated that they have undertook rescues there in the past. No link atm.
Walking trail from the lighthouse past Wategos through to The Pass then up along the beach to Main Beach.
There's also a board walk for some distance along the road that eventually turns up to the lighthouse.