Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[mussopossum]

My overall point is wouldn’t an expert search ALL avenues and not rely on others to possibly search Because they are unfamiliar with something? Surely an expert would get familiar with it and use it as well if they thought it was a was a good idea?

My point is he says he could do better, but where is the evidence he could have done better?

Because the searching of just Grindr and not other ‘online meet up aps’ without the family’s permission just shows his level of professionalism and expertise IMO

I agree T,

The thing I do not get through in relation to Georges comments about setting up a profile in Grinder.

Would one expect a person to come forward and say they met up with a missing person they met off Grinder? A long shot but unlikely as they would likely think they may be a suspect.

 

[Harpboon]

I reckon it’s easily feasible to place it in your hoodie pocket for safe keeping and ease of access.
It could’ve also dropped before he ascended or early on in the climb, and was believed unretrievable and lost. Someone could’ve scaled the cliff with him for sure, like Connor Meldrum and his mate. Connor’s Mum said he was a really sensible kid too and she was surprised he even did it. All of it is as plausible, even possibly more so, as any other scenario. To fall from the cliffs explains the whereabouts of him, his clothes, jewellery, shoes, and possibly his phone.

What’s left is the final phone ping indicating the phone was dry the next afternoon, and his path to Tallow beach which indicates he had company.

Yes I agree. Finding the phone and/or identifying the company (if he had some) will crack this sad missing person case wide open.

Someone must know something!

 

[mussopossum]

I sent a message to the guy who posted on the LFTH page about the paper note he said Theo was holding in his hand after being escorted out of CM. Really would like to know where he got that info from and if its true. Hope he replies.

Just remember that you are unable to post clarification of this information here in the thread unless the family or ADMIN of the LFTH FB page confirms it is correct or you can provide a link to MSM article verifying this information as true. Otherwise, it is pure speculation and rumor and not allowed to be posted as per the rules.

 

[CKTC]

IMO I wouldn’t put my phone in a loose hoody pocket if I was going to scale a cliff.

I don’t know, it’s defined a possibility/theory but I just don’t think it adds up with the phone pings. And previous info about how he made his way through the bush to tallows makes me think he wasn’t alone. So if he wasn’t alone, was someone scaling the cliffs with him?

I'd say going up there on a dark night, he would have needed to be using the torch on his phone.

 

[Deleted member 255258]

Just remember that you are unable to post clarification of this information here in the thread unless the family or ADMIN of the LFTH FB page confirms it is correct or you can provide a link to MSM article verifying this information as true. Otherwise, it is pure speculation and rumor and not allowed to be posted as per the rules.

Thanks for the reminder. Not confident he will reply. The post is still there on the LFTH page

 

[Rocket333]

Thanks for the reminder. Not confident he will reply. The post is still there on the LFTH page

The poster would’ve just made that up from glancing at the CMs clip where Theo is looking at something in his hand. Thinking logically, the family would have let it be known that Theo was holding a note if that was the case, or they had concrete info about it. They regard the thing in his hand as his phone. David Murray hasn’t mentioned anything about a note either. Unless your poster was physically there and witnessed the note, it’s currently without any merit.

 

[sparks030405]

I reckon it’s easily feasible to place it in your hoodie pocket for safe keeping and ease of access.
It could’ve also dropped before he ascended or early on in the climb, and was believed unretrievable and lost. Someone could’ve scaled the cliff with him for sure, like Connor Meldrum and his mate. Connor’s Mum said he was a really sensible kid too and she was surprised he even did it. All of it is as plausible, even possibly more so, as any other scenario. To fall from the cliffs explains the whereabouts of him, his clothes, jewellery, shoes, and possibly his phone.

What’s left is the final phone ping indicating the phone was dry the next afternoon, and his path to Tallow beach which indicates he had company.

Theo went north-west up toward the hang-gliding platform, or goat track between that and the lighthouse, not the way Connor went which is closer to the beach cliff and heads to the lighthouse north-east of CC where there is a danger sign now located. Theo’s route was more straight up and over towards Main Beach from my understanding of last ping location. So if he fell, it wouldn’t be near the lighthouse cliffs, it would be along one of the bay cliffs near The Pass. That’s my understanding. Otherwise he never made it that far, and something happened to him around last ping area which I think, was in bushland.

His movements and the interviews on the podcast do make me think he took drugs, maybe unintentionally ice. I also think a bit differently to GM, and have wondered if Theo had been chatting online to a fake girl on Tindr, who was in fact a guy, or gang etc. but seems he willingly went along with whoever he met on Tennyson for initial journey toward Milne Track then things changed.

So much time passed and volunteer time wasted by police not releasing more information. Telstra info. DNA on ‘The Judge’ club. If everything known was tabled, together, Websleuths, PI and volunteers would be more useful to Theo’s family.

 

[gregjrichards]

Theo Hayez six months on: The 'exhausting torture' for families of missing persons
People have spent six months searching for Theo, all they've found is 'sadness and emptiness'

My heart breaks for Theo’s loved ones I can’t imagine the emotional pain they are feeling each day.

 

[mussopossum]

My heart breaks for Theo’s loved ones I can’t imagine the emotional pain they are feeling each day.

It breaks my heart too, it must be so hard reading all the posts on the official fb group and possibly here about what might of happened. It takes a lot courage and strength imo to see these things about your child.

 

[Ann764]

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[QUOTE="mussopossum, post: 15608972,
If they had done something to Theo, I cant get passed why they would still have been residing there, there after. I think it took several days of searching there that they finally left so I would thought they might just A) leave straight away June 1 or B) The second searchers started invading go within a day. Just my thoughts.

Great point about the idyllic location, and if guilty they’d exit immediately.[/QUOTE]
well if (camp person) and others were involved such as local hangouts at tennoson st who as I stated at 48 may have though it was all a bit of fun leading Theo on a wild goose chase as he was disoriented( perhaps spiked at CM) so thought it was entertainment. But something terrible occurs with them and camp person and so camp person stays around to put the fear of god in them. Hence no one has taken tarp etc . They may have been witnesses/ made assist so all involved in cover up.

 

[Rocket333]

Theo went north-west up toward the hang-gliding platform, or goat track between that and the lighthouse, not the way Connor went which is closer to the beach cliff and heads to the lighthouse north-east of CC where there is a danger sign now located. Theo’s route was more straight up and over towards Main Beach from my understanding of last ping location. So if he fell, it wouldn’t be near the lighthouse cliffs, it would be along one of the bay cliffs near The Pass. That’s my understanding. Otherwise he never made it that far, and something happened to him around last ping area which I think, was in bushland.

His movements and the interviews on the podcast do make me think he took drugs, maybe unintentionally ice. I also think a bit differently to GM, and have wondered if Theo had been chatting online to a fake girl on Tindr, who was in fact a guy, or gang etc. but seems he willingly went along with whoever he met on Tennyson for initial journey toward Milne Track then things changed.

So much time passed and volunteer time wasted by police not releasing more information. Telstra info. DNA on ‘The Judge’ club. If everything known was tabled, together, Websleuths, PI and volunteers would be more useful to Theo’s family.

Yep, however that V shape at the CC end of the original route published stays with me. The left side of the V is the spiky hill he climbed up ( what you’re referring to). The right side of the V is the sea cliffs. That side of the published route has never received further comment or elaboration, so it’s not clear if he also went right and took a look at the cliff side too.

 

[Ann764]

Is this guy’s camp the one that’s still there with the new ropes?

This guy had “a tent, tarp and surfboard” yet the article also says, “The tent and the tarp were gone when the group arrived back at the camp the next day. “

Interesting that they found his license. People drop stuff all the time, but of all things to find a license is gold.

It’s not confirmed that it’s the same person. That was the camp resident . So can’t assume that due to similar features it is. Even if everyone wants to believe that. I do still say that the people running the food service should have a record of who has left abruptly after Theo’s disappearance and also those that have fallen out or abusing drugs excessively etc changes in behaviour and change in who is accessing their services. They may be able to see links and at least a line for enquiring. However it seems like it’s being sweapt under the carpet. There are many holes in the investigation.

 

[Ann764]

Such a sad, sad story.
The local searches are almost over.
David Murray doesn't think the homeless community know anything.
People say that if Theo was on the rocks, a swell could have easily washed him off.
Theo's dad says it is so different there at night.

No the volunteers stated that they didn’t believe the homeless community was involved. However they are a very tight nit community, a lot with prior police records etc . None of them want to be involved. I think Tommy has a lot more info. He really was strange. Bikey background, law run ins etc. their is more here for sure they are not all as innocent and kind as they present. They are jobless and homeless for a reason.

 

[Rocket333]

It’s not confirmed that it’s the same person. That was the camp resident . So can’t assume that due to similar features it is. Even if everyone wants to believe that. I do still say that the people running the food service should have a record of who has left abruptly after Theo’s disappearance and also those that have fallen out or abusing drugs excessively etc changes in behaviour and change in who is accessing their services. They may be able to see links and at least a line for enquiring. However it seems like it’s being sweapt under the carpet. There are many holes in the investigation.

Have you caught podcast 5 yet?

 

[Rocket333]

No the volunteers stated that they didn’t believe the homeless community was involved. However they are a very tight nit community, a lot with prior police records etc . None of them want to be involved. I think Tommy has a lot more info. He really was strange. Bikey background, law run ins etc. their is more here for sure they are not all as innocent and kind as they present. They are jobless and homeless for a reason.

The 5th podcast covers this pretty well.

 

[Ann764]

To rule out burial in beach they could be using infrared thermography . This is used to check under cement slabs etc. it does seem incredible that if he fell or was pushed into the ocean that nothing has washed up . So bizarre

 

[Ann764]

The 5th podcast covers this pretty well.

I thought the 5 th podcast was probably the least factual and informative it was a lot of assumptions and little complete evidence based . The family , locals are by all accounts like us keeping the case relevant. Eg what happens with the cap , the judge stick, the licence etc. we really are not privileged to a lot of information. There appears to be a breakdown of communication and levels of commitment. In podcast 4 it is clear that Lisa and the other cousin are at a loss too with their limited knowledge . You would think the police would be working closely with them not the locals and David. Seems strange

 

[Ann764]

Have you caught podcast 5 yet?

Yes also did you look at that other podcast?

 

[gregjrichards]

'It's an exhausting torture': Theo Hayez's godfather speaks out about the anguish the missing Belgian backpacker's family have felt since he mysteriously disappeared

Theo Hayez's godfather speaks of the anguish felt by the missing Belgian backpacker's family | Daily Mail Online

 

[Rocket333]

[QUOTE="Ann764, post: 15611889, member: 248604"incredible that if he fell or was pushed into the ocean that nothing has washed up . So bizarre [\QUOTE]

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