Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[Appman]

Has anyone got any ideas or theories to explain why if Theo did fall into the water that night his phone was pinging the following day ? (the area in which it pings is not important for this question). If the phone was on him it would have been damaged in the ocean, if it was on the cliff, beach or bush it should have been found ?

Is it implied the phone was left on land until it died but is still yet to be recovered?

I think this is important because it either means the phone is still out in the bush or someone has interfered with it. As it clearly wouldn't have entered the water With him if that is infact what happened.

 

[Appman]

Double deleted

 

[BusterXP]

Is the concentration around the headland, Watego & Clarke’s a red herring, like the Shirley Street cctv footage?

How strong is the chance that the police search area of the headland, Watego & Clarke’s is accurate?

I'd say it's based on the best available information and the most likely scenario.
The Shirley St footage was something solid and promising to go on. It was a lead.

 

[CKTC]

Hi certus, Happy for George to give us info and insight, but from now on, it’s best if he does so directly.

The rules of the thread are that if you are providing trustworthy info that hasn’t been released by LE and MSM, because you are connected to case somehow, then you need to sign up and be verified as a trustworthy source.

You won’t be able to do it for George I’m afraid, unless you get verified yourself. However you may not qualify if you weren’t there and only getting the info secondhand.

Otherwise whatever you say, even if on behalf of George, will need to follow the same rules as the rest of our posts... pure speculation, we have to disclaim as IMO, and we’re not allowed to claim as fact without links to MSM.

Sorry certus, them the rules, for obvious reasons.

Thank you!

 

[Deleted member 255258]

Hi certus, Happy for George to give us info and insight, but from now on, it’s best if he does so directly.

The rules of the thread are that if you are providing trustworthy info that hasn’t been released by LE and MSM, because you are connected to case somehow, then you need to sign up and be verified as a trustworthy source.

You won’t be able to do it for George I’m afraid, unless you get verified yourself. However you may not qualify if you weren’t there and only getting the info secondhand.

Otherwise whatever you say, even if on behalf of George, will need to follow the same rules as the rest of our posts... pure speculation, we have to disclaim as IMO, and we’re not allowed to claim as fact without links to MSM.

Sorry certus, them the rules, for obvious reasons.

Thanks for your post Peralta. It would not matter if it came directly from GM, or via me. There are certain people on websleuths who clearly have a vendetta against GM, so not matter what he says they would dismiss it and say it's not true. GM called me the day it was found, to tell me they found a cap they think is his, and described the campsite nearby to where the cap was found. Later he sent me several pics of the site. The two I posted (one now deleted) were a couple of a series of pics from the site. So he was definitely there that day and no one can deny he was at the site on that day. I think rather than attacking someone because you have a personal vendetta about them, concentrate on Theo.

 

[mussopossum]

So a body found Byron Bay bushland and was confirmed yesterday that it wasn’t Theo. However the limited news coverage is paywalled. Does anyone have access to articles? What do they say? Are there any similarities or or relevance to Theo’s case?

Wow I missed this mine also paywalled but just found this I never knew about.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

POLICE have identified the body of an Irish tourist reported missing from the northern NSW tourist town of Byron Bay more than a week ago.
Niall McDonough, 30, went missing from a backpacker's hostel on June 12.

Some of his personal belongings were found on a park bench near Cape Byron Lighthouse the next day.

 

[SouthAussie]

When is that from as I can’t see a date and the reporter is speaking in the present tense?

If you look at the same content at this link, the info is dated 19/06/2019.

"A tourist who shared a drink with missing Belgian backpacker Theo Hayez on the night he went missing, says he was only mildly intoxicated when he was kicked out of the bar."
Tourist who shared drink with missing Belgian backpacker speaks out | Sky News Australia

 

[Rocket333]

1. Has anyone got any ideas or theories to explain why if Theo did fall into the water that night his phone was pinging the following day ? (the area in which it pings is not important for this question). If the phone was on him it would have been damaged in the ocean, if it was on the cliff, beach or bush it should have been found ?

2. Is it implied the phone was left on land until it died but is still yet to be recovered?

I think this is important because it either means the phone is still out in the bush or someone has interfered with it. As it clearly wouldn't have entered the water With him if that is infact what happened.

If he fell in the water without the phone:

Either it fell out of his hand or hoodie pocket, or it was taken from him I reckon.

No-one knows if the phone is on land, in water, in a crevice, in someone's possession, being used, smashed to pieces, or even still with Theo. That's the mystery.

 

[BusterXP]

Has anyone got any ideas or theories to explain why if Theo did fall into the water that night his phone was pinging the following day ? (the area in which it pings is not important for this question). If the phone was on him it would have been damaged in the ocean, if it was on the cliff, beach or bush it should have been found ?

Is it implied the phone was left on land until it died but is still yet to be recovered?

I think this is important because it either means the phone is still out in the bush or someone has interfered with it. As it clearly wouldn't have entered the water With him if that is infact what happened.

I suspect it was lost and then found by someone or possibly stolen.
Crunched over climbing steep terrain it may have fallen from his pocket. There's a possibility of it also being dropped from a hand during a fall and landed in a safer location.

 

[SydneyWalker]

The Irish backpacker was found dead in 2009, no suspicious circumstances (ie suicide)
The news reporter video is from June.

 

[SouthAussie]

The Irish backpacker was found dead in 2009, no suspicious circumstances (ie suicide)

Thanks ... was just going to post the same info.

At this link is the initial info about Niall, if anyone is interested - it is from 10 years ago.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/bac...oing-for-walk-in-byron-bay-20090615-c7lv.html

He was found 8 days later at Brunswick Heads, as per this link.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/body-in-river-was-irish-tourist-police-20090623-cv5m.html

 

[SydneyWalker]

JMO - He was definitely with people/person when he went to CC, the people/person he meet at the Oval (Whether Good/Bad people cannot be determined). He seems happy when at CC, reinforced by watching YT and texting family in the early hours. Phone switches to low power mode at this point so gps stops. He loses hat on way back from beach, likely because of some incident. Phones last ping is the next day when it finally runs out battery in the same ish area. JMO. The hat is key, it proves he left the beach and didn't stop for it. Why?

 

[CKTC]

Thanks for your post Peralta. It would not matter if it came directly from GM, or via me. There are certain people on websleuths who clearly have a vendetta against GM, so not matter what he says they would dismiss it and say it's not true. GM called me the day it was found, to tell me they found a cap they think is his, and described the campsite nearby to where the cap was found. Later he sent me several pics of the site. The two I posted (one now deleted) were a couple of a series of pics from the site. So he was definitely there that day and no one can deny he was at the site on that day. I think rather than attacking someone because you have a personal vendetta about them, concentrate on Theo.

Absolutely no vendetta. His facts are incorrect and should not be posted here. The picture you posted is not Tommys camp and is not the location the hat was found. You are misleading the people on here who are genuinely trying to be helpful.

 

[SydneyWalker]

Deleted post.

 

[Appman]

Suppose the hat could have been found somewhere else by a homeless person and discarded later? Possibly after they found out the hat could have been Theo's and didn't want to look guilty. I think I remember someone saying they were surprised the hat wasn't located earlier as that area was searched. But perhaps that's just a good story ahahah.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Thanks for your post Peralta. It would not matter if it came directly from GM, or via me. There are certain people on websleuths who clearly have a vendetta against GM, so not matter what he says they would dismiss it and say it's not true. GM called me the day it was found, to tell me they found a cap they think is his, and described the campsite nearby to where the cap was found. Later he sent me several pics of the site. The two I posted (one now deleted) were a couple of a series of pics from the site. So he was definitely there that day and no one can deny he was at the site on that day. I think rather than attacking someone because you have a personal vendetta about them, concentrate on Theo.

It does matter! I for one, want to hear it. There is a process for ‘insiders’ on this site (not just Theo's thread). Here is the rule and link:
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The sooner you do it, the sooner you can start posting what you know and we can all start working together and like you said, focus on Theo.

Personally, I'd like to hear what you/George has to say

However, if you choose not to get verified, I'm afraid your posts will have to be written as though it's just a theory you have and speculation, by using words such as "I think", "maybe", "in my opinion", etc.

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[SouthAussie]

Suppose the hat could have been found somewhere else by a homeless person and discarded later? Possibly after they found out the hat could have been Theo's and didn't want to look guilty. I think I remember someone saying they were surprised the hat wasn't located earlier as that area was searched. But perhaps that's just a good story ahahah.

I wish we could be certain that the cap was Theo's. I find the fact that the DNA was found to be inconclusive a little unsettling, as caps and hats are some of the best sources of DNA.

I understand that the family think the cap is his, but the family also thought it was Theo in the Shirley Street CCTV. Sometimes extreme hope can lead to people's opinions.
I think that as the cap's brim had fraying, as has been stated, it could be a weakness of those caps.

If the frayed edges on the bill of the hat become a concern, you can make a repair with glue but the hat will never look the same and the glue will dramatically change the value of a commemorative cap.
How to Clean and Care for Baseball Caps

 

[Appman]

I wish we could be certain that the cap was Theo's. I find the fact that the DNA was found to be inconclusive a little unsettling, as caps and hats are some of the best sources of DNA.

I understand that the family think the cap is his, but the family also thought it was Theo in the Shirley Street CCTV. Sometimes extreme hope can lead to people's opinions.
I think that as the cap's brim had fraying, as has been stated, it could be a weakness of those caps.

If the frayed edges on the bill of the hat become a concern, you can make a repair with glue but the hat will never look the same and the glue will dramatically change the value of a commemorative cap.
How to Clean and Care for Baseball Caps

Yeah, it's very surprising th DNA was inconclusive. Like a hat should be absolutely full of DNA!! I suppose the PI wont be getting any cooperation from Google/Telstra regarding any other people located at the beach that night.

 

[SouthAussie]

This was just posted on the LFTH FB page -

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Perhaps you will edit your post?

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[SouthAussie]

Yeah, it's very surprising th DNA was inconclusive. Like a hat should be absolutely full of DNA!! I suppose the PI wont be getting any cooperation from Google/Telstra regarding any other people located at the beach that night.

That's right. The PI is treated like any one of us, as far as privacy is concerned (as per a link I provided earlier).