Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[Rocket333]

Yeah figures that.

I am more interested in what they were talking about and if the attendant was asked about their conversation by LE. Im not speculating just Chiatos raised a good point about Antione walking off and Theo chatting to the guy.

He may have advised there was a party somewhere that night

Early on (I’d have to search for the article), but in the meanwhile I recall reading the bottle shop guy saying the conversation was about Theo asking if he had some kind of alcohol he and Antoine were wanting to buy. Theo indicated what he was after with his hands, or something like that. Remember it being short and sweet, with no issue.

 

[Rocket333]

Yeah figures that.

I am more interested in what they were talking about and if the attendant was asked about their conversation by LE. Im not speculating just Chiatos raised a good point about Antione walking off and Theo chatting to the guy.

He may have advised there was a party somewhere that night

Early on (I’d have to search for the article), but in the meanwhile I recall reading the bottle shop guy saying the conversation was about Theo asking if he had some kind of alcohol he and Antoine were wanting to buy. Theo indicated what he after with his hands or something like that. Remember it being short and sweet, with no issue.

 

[mussopossum]

I cant get passed this.

Disappeared in June, almost exactly 10 years earlier, blond male, backpacker, staying in a Byron Bay hostel, never returned to his hostel, belongings found at Byron Lighthouse area,

About 7.15am the next day a passer-by found some of Mr McDonough's personal belongings on a park bench near the Cape Byron Lighthouse.

Its almost like reading Theos first media reports. The LE wording

https://www.smh.com.au/national/bac...oing-for-walk-in-byron-bay-20090615-c7lv.html

 

[mussopossum]

I cant get passed this.

Disappeared in June, almost exactly 10 years earlier, blond male, backpacker, staying in a Byron Bay hostel, never returned to his hostel, belongings found at Byron Lighthouse area,

About 7.15am the next day a passer-by found some of Mr McDonough's personal belongings on a park bench near the Cape Byron Lighthouse.

Its almost like reading Theos first media reports. The LE wording

https://www.smh.com.au/national/bac...oing-for-walk-in-byron-bay-20090615-c7lv.html

 

[Rocket333]

I don’t think we’re going to locate or solve the phone mystery anytime soon. I think it’s deeply out of sight.

The cap could’ve been dropped by Theo travelling in either direction through the beach track. I doubt it would’ve fallen far from him if dislodged due to a low limb. I doubt he wouldn’t stop and retrieve it if able. I think it’s fallen during a scuffle on the return, or fallen whilst he was being carried, or discarded by another person on the return, or tossed there by someone who found it and then panicked after they realised it was part of this case, or planted. I think the cap coming to rest in the bush happened after Theo went to CC.

I think he left the beach by the same beach trail. I think his companion or companions live near Tallow beach. I think he met them at the oval where they usually hang out. I think he went there intentionally to meet with someone he already knew and felt a connection with, even if briefly. I think he met this person at WU or CMs and I’m tending to think this person or people includes a female who lives locally.
I think the police have spoken to and been satisfied with everyone that was known to have contact with Theo from Wednesday to Friday.

I’d like to know how he spent Wednesday night, Thursday and Friday in Byron. Did he spend time at the beach or take a lesson or do an activity? Did he acquaint easily and quickly with a WU staff member or guest besides Antoine. Who was that dancing girl at CMs? Why can’t we see her image to help locate her and resolve the well placed public interest? It seems really important yet is not receiving attention or action.

What’s with the communal silence amongst the WU staff and backpackers, the CMs staff and patrons that night, the Tallow doofers? It’s not only too quiet, it’s completely silent.

A flyer into the letterboxes of every home from Tennyson to Milne appealing for any information, no matter the size or concern that it’s irrelevant, and offering a safe way to disclose anything anonymously and without repercussion. How to get people to speak up, to share, to hand over all the little things that they’ve mulled over as not worthy of sharing. Someone heard him & them running and possibly yelling up those residential streets late at night, or saw them going to or from the beach track. What would it take to motivate those people with information to step up and tell?

What’s the general feeling towards the youth gathering at the oval? Is it something the local residents well know and safeguard themselves from? There’s wealthy homes around that area, so what do the residents know and think?
MOO

 

[Rocket333]

I cant get passed this.

Disappeared in June, almost exactly 10 years earlier, blond male, backpacker, staying in a Byron Bay hostel, never returned to his hostel, belongings found at Byron Lighthouse area,

About 7.15am the next day a passer-by found some of Mr McDonough's personal belongings on a park bench near the Cape Byron Lighthouse.

Its almost like reading Theos first media reports. The LE wording

https://www.smh.com.au/national/bac...oing-for-walk-in-byron-bay-20090615-c7lv.html

Didn’t he go for a swim and was found a week later floating a little further south? Had a girlfriend back at the hostel etc. Seems like a rip got him?

 

[SouthAussie]

What would it take to motivate those people with information to step up and tell?
MOO

RSBM

A reward. A reward printed on fliers and dropped in every letter box and every homeless camp in Byron Bay.

If Theo's family are not cashed up enough to fund a reward themselves, then start a crowd sourcing page and gather funds to 'look for Theo'.

Some of the rewards offered in the US are $5,000, sometimes even less. But it is enough to bring in tips. They would have to decide where the tips are to go - perhaps to the PI's email/phone number/webpage/whatever.

 

[Rocket333]

RSBM

A reward. A reward printed on fliers and dropped in every letter box and every homeless camp in Byron Bay.

If Theo's family are not cashed up enough to fund a reward themselves, then start a crowd sourcing page and gather funds to 'look for Theo'.

Some of the rewards offered in the US are $5,000, sometimes even less. But it is enough to bring in tips. They would have to decide where the tips are to go - perhaps to the PI's email/phone number/webpage/whatever.

Snip accepted lol. Yes! I think there could be still enough in the donation account set up for his family too. All leads go directly to Mr Gamble PI.

 

[espirtu pampa]

I don’t think we’re going to locate or solve the phone mystery anytime soon. I think it’s deeply out of sight.

The cap could’ve been dropped by Theo travelling in either direction through the beach track. I doubt it would’ve fallen far from him if dislodged due to a low limb. I doubt he wouldn’t stop and retrieve it if able. I think it’s fallen during a scuffle on the return, or fallen whilst he was being carried, or discarded by another person on the return, or tossed there by someone who found it and then panicked after they realised it was part of this case, or planted. I think the cap coming to rest in the bush happened after Theo went to CC.

I think he left the beach by the same beach trail. I think his companion or companions live near Tallow beach. I think he met them at the oval where they usually hang out. I think he went there intentionally to meet with someone he already knew and felt a connection with, even if briefly. I think he met this person at WU or CMs and I’m tending to think this person or people includes a female who lives locally.
I think the police have spoken to and been satisfied with everyone that was known to have contact with Theo from Wednesday to Friday.

I’d like to know how he spent Wednesday night, Thursday and Friday in Byron. Did he spend time at the beach or take a lesson or do an activity? Did he acquaint easily and quickly with a WU staff member or guest besides Antoine. Who was that dancing girl at CMs? Why can’t we see her image to help locate her and resolve the well placed public interest? It seems really important yet is not receiving attention or action.

What’s with the communal silence amongst the WU staff and backpackers, the CMs staff and patrons that night, the Tallow doofers? It’s not only too quiet, it’s completely silent.

A flyer into the letterboxes of every home from Tennyson to Milne appealing for any information, no matter the size or concern that it’s irrelevant, and offering a safe way to disclose anything anonymously and without repercussion. How to get people to speak up, to share, to hand over all the little things that they’ve mulled over as not worthy of sharing. Someone heard him & them running and possibly yelling up those residential streets late at night, or saw them going to or from the beach track. What would it take to motivate those people with information to step up and tell?

What’s the general feeling towards the youth gathering at the oval? Is it something the local residents well know and safeguard themselves from? There’s wealthy homes around that area, so what do the residents know and think?
MOO

I totally agree Rockett 33. Their is a serous link with WU that is underlined by the fact Théo's absence wasn't notified by the employees (most probably only one) who were/was in charge of his room. Try to gain time ?

 

[Rocket333]

Anyone in that Tennyson to Milne Street area on this neighbourhood app per chance?

https://apps.apple.com/au/app/nextdoor-neighbourhood-app/

 

[Aron.Wor]

Sharks don't really eat human meat unless the situation is warranted. I kinda thought most Aussies knew this. Most shark bites are due to the shark's investigative process. They investigate food with their mouths. There is a lot of misinformation about this creature. The human does not provide the required nutrition.
But, there is a large variety of sharks.
Sharks generally hunt using bioelectric processes and smell. I have seen people try to bait sharks with blood alone. Although sharks have a great sense of smell, I'm not sure that small amounts of blood from a human will cause an attack.

TH would have had to have been alive or bleeding while in the ocean. If he was alive, I'm not sure an intelligent human would go into the water deep enough so late at night. He would have to be splashing around. If he was alive when he went in, but bleeding, this might entice a shark attack.

My point being, even if TH was attacked by a shark, I'm sure there would be evidence, and something would have turned up in another location somewhere.

The suggestion with survivors of shark attacks is that they survived because they were spat out. The media has made them into human devouring monsters.

I'm not saying it isn't a possible scenario, I just think from the information I've been reading on them over the last 30 years it's not a probable scenario, that TH fell into the water and was completely devoured.

 

[espirtu pampa]

RSBM

A reward. A reward printed on fliers and dropped in every letter box and every homeless camp in Byron Bay.

If Theo's family are not cashed up enough to fund a reward themselves, then start a crowd sourcing page and gather funds to 'look for Theo'.

Some of the rewards offered in the US are $5,000, sometimes even less. But it is enough to bring in tips. They would have to decide where the tips are to go - perhaps to the PI's email/phone number/webpage/whatever.

The family and friends have set up a sort of crowfunding to help them going to Australia. I don't know if there is a link on MSM but on FB it is available. I hope I don't break the rules with writing this.

 

[Rocket333]

The family and friends have set up a sort of crowfunding to help them going to Australia. I have to find the link to prove it's true.

Yeah, that’s pretty well known. Don’t think you can mention the fund name here.

 

[Rocket333]

I totally agree Rockett 33. Their is a serous link with WU that is underlined by the fact Théo's absence wasn't notified by the employees (most probably only one) who were/was in charge of his room. Try to gain time ?

Yep yep yep! This has never sat right with me.

Imagine he got to know a friendly Aussie staff member who mentioned the Tennyson gathering at the WU barby, or during a casual chat. May have even made tentative plans to meet up and talked about directions earlier in the day. Being a planner, he already knew where to go and that it was down Kingsley and away from WU. He just checked his phone routinely like a compass.

 

[mussopossum]

Didn’t he go for a swim and was found a week later floating a little further south? Had a girlfriend back at the hostel etc. Seems like a rip got him?

Yeah was found Brunswick. But it’s just so similar

 

[SouthAussie]

The family and friends have set up a sort of crowfunding to help them going to Australia. I don't know if there is a link on MSM but on FB it is available. I hope I don't break the rules with writing this.

Well, that is good to hear. So now maybe the family need to think where their priorities lay.

A serious offer of a reward may assist the PI to gain further information. Mr Gamble is in a position, I hope, to determine the validity of any tips he may get. Mr Gamble would also know how and when to distribute any money for information.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yeah was found Brunswick. But it’s just so similar

The way that the articles about this death are written, it sounds as if there was cause to conclude a suicide. Something happened between Nialls and his girlfriend that caused him to leave from their accommodation that day. That's the way that I read it, anyway.

 

[mussopossum]

The way that the articles about this death are written, it sounds as if there was cause to conclude a suicide. Something happened between Nialls and his girlfriend that caused him to leave from their accommodation that day. That's the way that I read it, anyway.

Yeah the lack of info led me to think the same.

Just similar in ways

 

[espirtu pampa]

About Théo's cap. 1) In one of the Podcast the volunteers are discribing a ceremony they had on a beach presided by an indigenious man. Lisa said the day after they found the cap though they already had searched the place (with the last known tracks her cousin discovered ? and can't remember how long before !). 2) It seems to me that the first picture seen of the hat on the ground was a very well covered area with branches and leaves on the ground and not the clear area shown on the picture posted here above by certus1. Please correct me if I am wrong I 'm trying to catch up with your posts with a delay of 10 hours.

 

[mussopossum]

The way that the articles about this death are written, it sounds as if there was cause to conclude a suicide. Something happened between Nialls and his girlfriend that caused him to leave from their accommodation that day. That's the way that I read it, anyway.

Talks about a strong current here. So if we are talking the same cliff area that police think Theo met misadventure.

How far back can we see tide and or current history?

It took approx 10 days to reach Brunswick heads 12.6km away (by road distance)

So In this case he washed back into shore

I don’t beleive Theo went in the water I’m just finding this as a comparison in the event he did.

Grim beach find ends a long search