Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[Seajay]

The way I see it is that even a Verified Insider should refrain from stating opinions as fact. They have certain direct experiences but their opinions, unless based on and verified with substantial evidence, are just opinions.
There's a bit of a line that could be drawn based on inside knowledge but I think it's prudent not to disclose anything that is based on information not publicly disclosed.
An analogy is a Solicitor, or someone training to be so, who can't give 'legal advice' or legal opinions in similar circumstances or appear to have any specialised knowledge above that which is generally known. I use the terms 'generally known' loosely. To do so breaches ethics and is possibly illegal.

However, with a VI we are told that they do not have to back up what they say with a link, but that we can believe or discount anything they say as we individually deem fit. However, we are not allowed to be rude to them or call them out once they are verified. TOS

 

[Pod]

I’m gonna take a guess and say that the recent body found in bushland was female. It would explain why it was quickly ruled out as Theo and kept on the downlow.

On an unrelated but semi related note, there was a case in Vic a few years ago about the ‘accidental’ death of a young teenager. His family swear murder, and there were a few persons of interest. Shortly afterwards, one of those persons committed suicide. It has been said that guilt might have played a part. I wonder what the cause of death is in this case... A bit of a stretch, I know, but with not much to go on, anything is possible.

 

[Rocket333]

Maybe someone can verify if GPR equipment was used at CC? If not, that would certainly be better than digging.

Don’t think it was but the dogs were and they’re rated better than GPR in locating signs of decay beneath sand.

 

[Rocket333]

Maybe someone can verify if GPR equipment was used at CC? If not, that would certainly be better than digging.

Don’t think it was but the dogs were and they’re rated better than GPR in locating signs of decay beneath sand.

 

[Ann764]

Don’t think it was but the dogs were and they’re rated better than GPR in locating signs of decay beneath sand.

There are numerous ways and resources as stated previously to look for pockets of air etc Ann-yon I respect the fact that your not engaged in the tit for tat behaviour of previous. Yes this is about Theo. That is the common goal her regardless of out legal , personal , experiences we stay on point .

 

[BusterXP]

However, with a VI we are told that they do not have to back up what they say with a link, but that we can believe or discount anything they say as we individually deem fit. However, we are not allowed to be rude to them or call them out once they are verified. TOS

I'd think what's said, as you put it, would depend on direct experience theory or fact excluding that direct experience is seen as fact.
The only body that can determine fact is the Court - at least on the balance of probabilities.
As stated, it's up to us as to what weight we give to the opinion of a VI.
It isn't difficult to understand the difference between opinion and fact.

I'll add a bit of a related thought that is partly tangential.
GM claims the credit for the idea of looking further south at Tallow Beach. Other information gives that credit to the search team.
I see no good purpose to the claim of credit. Perhaps both are true. The purpose should be the information about the location and not about who takes credit.

 

[Seajay]

I'd think what's said, as you put it, would depend on direct experience theory or fact excluding that direct experience is seen as fact.
The only body that can determine fact is the Court - at least on the balance of probabilities.

I am only talking about what is allowed here as far as Terms of Service. Any issue with that should be taken up with the Admins here, or the owner of this website Tricia Griffin. It’s her home, her rules. What is considered fact here does not need to be tried in a court of law, perhaps you should read the rules here.

And though not directed at you or anyone else but it’s against TOS to discuss shutting down a thread or prohibiting others from posting with the suggestion that no one should post unless new information comes forward. This falls randomly. Just something to mention from what I’ve read. This is Tricia’s wheelhouse.

 

[katydid23]

Not many leaves on the cap, are there? I live in a treed area. If there are leaves on the ground, like the ones in the pic, I think there would be far more leaves on the cap, as well. After 5 weeks.

To me it looks as though a few leaves have fallen (been placed?) on the cap ... but not enough to satisfy me (who sweeps up fallen leaves all the time).

If any leaves were brushed off the cap for the purpose of the photo - and I hope that photo was taken exactly how the cap was found - there should be leaf staining on the brim. imo

From what I have read, the searchers seem to know the search protocols quite well. Don't touch, take photos, then give to the police - it seems they were briefed with that each morning before they started to search (according to a podcast).

It's possible it was moved around by others, before the searchers found it. Maybe one of the transient campers picked it up to look at it or a hiker moved it at some point?

 

[SouthAussie]

It's possible it was moved around but others, before the searchers found it. Maybe one of the transient campers picked it up to look at it or a hiker moved it at some point?

Yes, true. In the same way that a person may put a young child's toy in a more visible position if found after the child has dropped it.

 

[BusterXP]

I’m gonna take a guess and say that the recent body found in bushland was female. It would explain why it was quickly ruled out as Theo and kept on the downlow.

I'm not sure about this at all. I think it would be in mainstream media and public sites by now. There's nothing I've even heard on local TV News reports. I'd love to see what's behind those paywalled sites.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks for that unfortunately not the one I’m referring to. This is the most recent homeless man that was murdered. I believe a suspect is in custody. And is linked to another homeless person’s murder.

On the LFTH fb page (the public one), insiders have said that the man in custody IS NOT the CC abandoned camp guy / man on license found near abandoned camp.

The new story I spoke of can be found by google searching “body found in Byron Bay bushland”. I still can’t find a non paywall source.

The Gold Coast Bulletin says ...

Emergency services were called to the scene around 3.30pm (on December 1st) and were not treating the death as suspicious.
It says the remains do not belong to Theo. That volunteers continue to search the area where Theo went missing. And that Theo's family reject the idea that Theo wandered towards the coastline and fell in.

At the bottom of the article it has the usual statement that MSM publish when a person has committed suicide.
"If you need someone to talk to, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14"
It does not state anything further about the remains of the person who was found. Evidently their privacy is being respected.

No Cookies | Gold Coast Bulletin

 

[BusterXP]

The Gold Coast Bulletin says ...

Emergency services were called to the scene around 3.30pm (on December 1st) and were not treating the death as suspicious.
It says the remains do not belong to Theo. That volunteers continue to search the area where Theo went missing. And that Theo's family reject the idea that Theo wandered towards the coastline and fell in.

At the bottom of the article it has the usual statement that MSM publish when a person has committed suicide.
If you need someone to talk to, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14""
It does not state anything further about the remains of the person who was found.

No Cookies | Gold Coast Bulletin

That clarifies well, thank you.

 

[Pod]

Okay, so, an apparent suicide makes sense as to why we haven’t heard much. It’d be so easy to disregard a connection between it, and Theo, but I do hope that it does get looked into at least.

 

[Rocket333]

Guys running through down a beach track around midnight. The stomp of their collective feet. Their stumbling cries, ringing laughter and guiding chatter. The phone spotlight. A cap found near a camp.

How did Tommy not hear a thing?

 

[SouthAussie]

Guys running through down a beach track around midnight. The stomp of their collective feet. Their stumbling cries, ringing laughter and guiding chatter. The phone spotlight. A cap found near a camp.

How did Tommy not hear a thing?

He probably doesn't want to get involved. imo

And he may not know anything specific. He likely hears rowdy people in that area frequently at night, and just keeps himself to himself. He is one of the many vulnerable people out there.

 

[BusterXP]

Thinking... I just helped someone with this.
WhatsApp has a 'Last Seen' option that's enabled by default. I'm wondering if someone who has Theo added to WhatsApp has that info.

 

[Chiatos]

Guys running through down a beach track around midnight. The stomp of their collective feet. Their stumbling cries, ringing laughter and guiding chatter. The phone spotlight. A cap found near a camp.

How did Tommy not hear a thing?

I imagine there are many sounds in that area that would have covered the man-made sounds. Such as wind blowing through the branches in the bush and the sound of the waves on the shore.

 

[mussopossum]

He probably doesn't want to get involved. imo

And he may not know anything specific. He likely hears rowdy people in that area frequently at night, and just keeps himself to himself. He is one of the many vulnerable people out there.

I agree he probably wouldn't want to get involved and that is just an assumption.

And he may not have even been either awake at the time or in that exact spot. I also wonder if the homeless in these areas keep a watch of time.

We don't know if Tommy has a mobile phone and doesn't have a watch on in this MSM pic.

So may even be hard to tell what time it was if any scuffles and noise that night but would he even remember that night when asked down the track?

If you asked me even last week about noise outside I couldn't tell you what day it was even if it was significant like a car crash or something, the only way I might remember what day it was is if a TV show was on that I watch that only comes on weekly or I sent someone a message about t then and there and could re-reference that. I am not discrediting Tommy, just saying IMO it would be difficult for anyone in these conditions to know what time it was unless they had a watch on, a phone handy or a clock and something significant caused them to look at the time.

I was saying to someone the other day how much Tommy reminds me of Angus young in ways. Must be the hat.

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[Rocket333]

Maybe the community could do a re-enactment of the night with the Kingsley to Milne community all aware through letter box drops and door knocking. I don’t think he or his things will be found at the beach or in the bush. I think he walked or was walked to a home. I think vans & utes parked at homes in that specific area also need to be noticed. “They” also chose to go up Marvell Street and not Carlyle Street. Marvell is possibly more direct, but if the original dot map has any semblance of accuracy, it shows a walk or run from Cowper Street to Carlyle Street, before turning around on Cowper Street to go back to, and up, Marvel Street. Was this an attempt to escape or did someone not want to go up Carlyle Street? It seems, from all reports, a fluid move with no apparent stops, so it doesn’t sit that this turn around on Cowper was due to stopping at a home or otherwise. Theo may have been trying to leave by continuing down Cowper only to be lead back to Marvel. Same with the T intersection on the fire trail where he possibly paused to exit left, but was again guided right. If this is so, it makes me think there was more than one with him to control his movements and talk him out of attempts to veer right at any point and head home.

 

[sparks030405]

I imagine there are many sounds in that area that would have covered the man-made sounds. Such as wind blowing through the branches in the bush and the sound of the waves on the shore.