Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[Rocket333]

I agree he probably wouldn't want to get involved and that is just an assumption.

And he may not have even been either awake at the time or in that exact spot. I also wonder if the homeless in these areas keep a watch of time.

We don't know if Tommy has a mobile phone and doesn't have a watch on in this MSM pic.

So may even be hard to tell what time it was if any scuffles and noise that night but would he even remember that night when asked down the track?

If you asked me even last week about noise outside I couldn't tell you what day it was even if it was significant like a car crash or something, the only way I might remember what day it was is if a TV show was on that I watch that only comes on weekly or I sent someone a message about t then and there and could re-reference that. I am not discrediting Tommy, just saying IMO it would be difficult for anyone in these conditions to know what time it was unless they had a watch on, a phone handy or a clock and something significant caused them to look at the time.

I was saying to someone the other day how much Tommy reminds me of Angus young in ways. Must be the hat.

NoCookies | The Australian

Yes there would be wind and the sound of the ocean. He’s in a canvas tent and probably asleep. He’s possibly hyper vigilant and would be in tune with his surrounds. He would have heard them. He also wants to live there even though it’s not permitted. Everyone has a currency, and his is being left in peace to live in his home. I’d be persuasively using this to get the truth. It’s needed. Same with beach camper guy.

 

[sparks030405]

Yes there would be wind and the sound of the ocean. He’s in a canvas tent and probably asleep. He’s possibly hyper vigilant and would be in tune with his surrounds. He would have heard them. He also wants to live there even though it’s not permitted. Everyone has a currency, and his is being left in peace to live in his home. I’d be persuasively using this to get the truth. It’s needed. Same with beach camper guy.

Agreed those homeless guys could be the last two witnesses.

My feeling is that it was a gang from up north of Byron looking for someone to fight.

Theo lead across Rec Grounds to Cowper, then makes a dash to escape but is captured at intersection of Cowper/Carlyle, and taken back onto Rec Grounds, then onto Milne track per attached route.

Reason for being taken to CC is dead-end, no escape even though Theo tries. CC is then where Theo is made to use his phone, and fight.

It is worth exploring if Theo was then taken back the way he came, in a house etc. or put in a vehicle and driven somewhere else (dead or alive) but my gut feeling is similar to other expressed here, that he may have died in the fight and be buried at CC, or at least his clothes and mobile buried, and naked bloodied body thrown into ocean.

I wouldn’t worry about big machinery disturbing crime scene, better to find something than nothing. All IMO of course!

 

[drifter_x]

Making somebody use their phone to casually text friends and watch YouTube seems an unusual amount of planning and trouble to go to for somebody to pick a fight.

As does a 20 minute walk before fighting. You run into someone at the Rec Grounds and you want to fight you'd just do it there and walk away.

 

[T-dawg420]

Look how many places to stay there are on the path Theo’s phone took.

I assume if any of them had CCTV it would have been looked into by LE. The delay in reporting Theo missing might have caused valuable footage to be taped over?

There are cameras at the house I’m living in, and I’m not a business.

That area of Byron can be a bit dodge from the reports, surely people living there have CCTV.

Edit to ad: the corner of Cowper and Carlyle is Stay in Byron, the bottom of the triangle goes awfully close to that...

 

[drifter_x]

I took an interest in this case after staying in Byron last month - I was staying in accom called Turtle Bay which is located at 36 Cowper St.

The house is actually on the path maps shows TH taking after leaving the Tennyson St - and I recall there were CCTV cameras on the house - but surely all houses along the route would have already been canvassed for footage?

 

[sparks030405]

Look how many places to stay there are on the path Theo’s phone took.

I assume if any of them had CCTV it would have been looked into by LE. The delay in reporting Theo missing might have caused valuable footage to be taped over?

There are cameras at the house I’m living in, and I’m not a business.

That area of Byron can be a bit dodge from the reports, surely people living there have CCTV.

Edit to ad: the corner of Cowper and Carlyle is Stay in Byron, the bottom of the triangle goes awfully close to that...

Well then, the only other reason to go there is to pick someone up (a girl?), and maybe went pack to that place afterwards too, or the boyfriend tracked them to CC. One more day till perhaps a few more clues from next podcast!

 

[drifter_x]

The area around those Rec Grounds are certainly sketchy at night - walking home late one night with the group of mates I was staying with we were approached there by a group of teenagers saying all sorts of odd things to us - one of which I recall was something like "Spin for a baccy bong?" which was posed as a question/challenge - we have no idea what they were on about so just declined and kept walking.

I'm imagining TH could have been approached there by a group in the same manner and went along with it - but still wouldn't explain why he went that way in the first instance. He would have to have been going there for a reason in the first place.

Edit: It was bugging me so I googled it - I think they were asking for cigarettes to mix tobacco with their weed. "Spin" refers to mixing the two I've now discovered.

 

[T-dawg420]

The area around those Rec Grounds are certainly sketchy at night - walking home late one night with the group of mates I was staying with we were approached there by a group of teenagers saying all sorts of odd things to us - one of which I recall was something like "Spin for a baccy bong?" which was posed as a question/challenge - we have no idea what they were on about so just declined and kept walking.

I'm imagining TH could have been approached there by a group in the same manner and went along with it - but still wouldn't explain why he went that way in the first instance. He would have to have been going there for a reason in the first place.

Edit: It was bugging me so I googled it - I think they were asking for cigarettes to mix tobacco with their weed. "Spin" refers to mixing the two I've now discovered.

You are right. The spin part is the tobacco used to mix with weed for a few reasons, ‘as my understanding’ it mainly is used to extend the amount you have.

A ‘Baccy bong’ is when the cone piece has no weed at all, it’s straight tobacco. ‘Baccy’ being tobacco

This subject I am an expert in, although I don’t smoke tobacco lolz

 

[mussopossum]

The area around those Rec Grounds are certainly sketchy at night - walking home late one night with the group of mates I was staying with we were approached there by a group of teenagers saying all sorts of odd things to us - one of which I recall was something like "Spin for a baccy bong?" which was posed as a question/challenge - we have no idea what they were on about so just declined and kept walking.

I'm imagining TH could have been approached there by a group in the same manner and went along with it - but still wouldn't explain why he went that way in the first instance. He would have to have been going there for a reason in the first place.

Edit: It was bugging me so I googled it - I think they were asking for cigarettes to mix tobacco with their weed. "Spin" refers to mixing the two I've now discovered.

This is really good and helpful information thank you for sharing.

What sort of age group Early / late teens)were they around and where abouts were hey when you were passing through the REC grounds?

 

[CKTC]

The area around those Rec Grounds are certainly sketchy at night - walking home late one night with the group of mates I was staying with we were approached there by a group of teenagers saying all sorts of odd things to us - one of which I recall was something like "Spin for a baccy bong?" which was posed as a question/challenge - we have no idea what they were on about so just declined and kept walking.

I'm imagining TH could have been approached there by a group in the same manner and went along with it - but still wouldn't explain why he went that way in the first instance. He would have to have been going there for a reason in the first place.

Edit: It was bugging me so I googled it - I think they were asking for cigarettes to mix tobacco with their weed. "Spin" refers to mixing the two I've now discovered.

That seems like important information. Would you consider sending a message to [email protected] to pass it on to Theo's family? Or to David Murray at [email protected]. Thanks.

 

[drifter_x]

This is really good and helpful information thank you for sharing.

What sort of age group Early / late teens)were they around and where abouts were hey when you were passing through the REC grounds?

They were maybe between 15 - 18 years old, a group of six or seven but only one approached us to talk while the others hung back.

We were passing through along the path that runs from Tennyson through to Cowper and were approached on the Tennyson side - they were all hanging out where the little grandstand is for the cricket. It was around 11:30pm. Once we got to the Cowper st side we actually came across another guy who was passed out and in a very uncomfortable position - we helped him up and asked if he was ok and if he'd taken anything as he was pretty vague and confused - he told us he was ok and started walking away then just lay down again. He didn't want our help so we went back to check on him later and he'd gone. Just to avoid confusion this was an Aussie kid, no link to TH or the case - just giving an idea of what the area around his route can be like.

We're all mid-late 30's and our wild days are behind us. We didn't feel unsafe but would definitely say it was uncomfortable around there.

 

[mussopossum]

They were maybe between 15 - 18 years old, a group of six or seven but only one approached us to talk while the others hung back.

We were passing through along the path that runs from Tennyson through to Cowper and were approached on the Tennyson side - they were all hanging out where the little grandstand is for the cricket. It was around 11:30pm. Once we got to the Cowper st side we actually came across another guy who was passed out and in a very uncomfortable position - we helped him up and asked if he was ok and if he'd taken anything as he was pretty vague and confused - he told us he was ok and started walking away then just lay down again. He didn't want our help so we went back to check on him later and he'd gone. Just to avoid confusion this was an Aussie kid, no link to TH or the case - just giving an idea of what the area around his route can be like.

We're all mid-late 30's and our wild days are behind us. We didn't feel unsafe but would definitely say it was uncomfortable around there.

Thanks for confirming.

It is good to hear this first hand information from experience in that area.

We have often discussed who might be hanging out in that end part of the street and who Theo may have come across there and also what they may have been doing at the time.

Even though it may not be the same group people it is still good information to have to get an idea what might be taking place there at night.

 

[drifter_x]

That seems like important information. Would you consider sending a message to [email protected] to pass it on to Theo's family? Or to David Murray at [email protected]. Thanks.

Done - I don't feel like it's any new or important information but I've sent detailed accounts of what I touched on above with both email addresses provided and let them know that I'm happy to be contacted for further info if required.

 

[drifter_x]

Thanks for confirming.

It is good to hear this first hand information from experience in that area.

We have often discussed who might be hanging out in that end part of the street and who Theo may have come across there and also what they may have been doing at the time.

Even though it may not be the same group people it is still good information to have to get an idea what might be taking place there at night.

We were there for a bit over a week so multiple walks through that field and there always seemed to be small groups of youths up to no good there. It was ok during the day but not somewhere you'd want to walk alone at night in my opinion.

 

[BusterXP]

We were there for a bit over a week so multiple walks through that field and there always seemed to be small groups of youths up to no good there. It was ok during the day but not somewhere you'd want to walk alone at night in my opinion.

Thanks for the input. It's great to hear first hand experience.
Similar was brought up in one of the podcasts by someone who stays close to that area each year. Mention was made of distressing sounding noises at night. I'd avoid the area.
It's interesting why Theo would be drawn there.
I've thought in the past that maybe Theo running (either alone or with someone) was because he wanted to get away from there. He may have also not wanted to go back near there.

 

[Rocket333]

They were maybe between 15 - 18 years old, a group of six or seven but only one approached us to talk while the others hung back.

We were passing through along the path that runs from Tennyson through to Cowper and were approached on the Tennyson side - they were all hanging out where the little grandstand is for the cricket. It was around 11:30pm. Once we got to the Cowper st side we actually came across another guy who was passed out and in a very uncomfortable position - we helped him up and asked if he was ok and if he'd taken anything as he was pretty vague and confused - he told us he was ok and started walking away then just lay down again. He didn't want our help so we went back to check on him later and he'd gone. Just to avoid confusion this was an Aussie kid, no link to TH or the case - just giving an idea of what the area around his route can be like.

We're all mid-late 30's and our wild days are behind us. We didn't feel unsafe but would definitely say it was uncomfortable around there.

How long ago was that roughly drifter?

 

[mussopossum]

Done - I don't feel like it's any new or important information but I've sent detailed accounts of what I touched on above with both email addresses provided and let them know that I'm happy to be contacted for further info if required.

You just never know.

A huge part of that night is that part of BB where Theo went (according to his maps) and we dont know why or who he may have met at the end or who may have been hanging out there.

Things like this information may not seem like much but sometimes they can be substantial.

 

[mussopossum]

We were there for a bit over a week so multiple walks through that field and there always seemed to be small groups of youths up to no good there. It was ok during the day but not somewhere you'd want to walk alone at night in my opinion.

Yeah I would not feel safe at all going in even daytime on my own. I feel stupid now for doing it on my own back in August.

 

[mussopossum]

Thanks for the input. It's great to hear first hand experience.
Similar was brought up in one of the podcasts by someone who stays close to that area each year. Mention was made of distressing sounding noises at night. I'd avoid the area.
It's interesting why Theo would be drawn there.
I've thought in the past that maybe Theo running (either alone or with someone) was because he wanted to get away from there. He may have also not wanted to go back near there.

Its almost sounds like they were playing games or just mucking around having a bit of fun there, maybe dealing.

I just can't get why Theo would have walked there... at all.

 

[drifter_x]

My experience posted above was in the first week of November 2019 so only recent.

Also realised my username might be misleading! It’s one I often use and relates to drifting cars not being a vagrant!