Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[AJF-Aus]

Months ago in the LFTH FB page I suggested we crowdfund for a $ reward for information. But the admins deleted my message immediately. I don’t know why this isn’t a good option? Maybe the PI could arrange? I’d contribute to see this poor family find answers.

 

[SouthAussie]

Months ago in the LFTH FB page I suggested we crowdfund for a $ reward for information. But the admins deleted my message immediately. I don’t know why this isn’t a good option? Maybe the PI could arrange? I’d contribute to see this poor family find answers.

I don't get why a reward hasn't been offered either. If new information is seriously being sought. Especially with the PI now involved to make sure it all happens properly.

 

[AJF-Aus]

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I don't get why a reward hasn't been offered either. If new information is seriously being sought. Especially with the PI now involved to make sure it all happens properly.

I never posted again after that I thought the censorship was a bit intense.

 

[Jenz]

Just pinning the mapping closer (any better way of storing it for easy retrieval here?)

- 23:07 he exited CM
- 23:08 he stops briefly in Kingsley
- 23:08 ->11:13 walks to the end of Tennyson
- 23:13 stops for 7 minutes
- 23:21 left the slab at the end of Tennyson (went to the intersection of Cowper St/Carlyle St and then backtracks to Marvell St) and went to Massinger Street at 6km/hr
- then walked up hill from Massinger Str, to Milne St. at 4,5 km/hr
- 23: 30 reaches Milne Str.
- then enters Milne track and reaches T-junction in 5 minutes at 7,5km/hr
- stops at T junction for a minute and searches WU hostel
- then walks for 8 minutes at a little more than 4 km/hr
- steers around Tommy's invisible camp site
- location where Theo's cap was found = between Tommy's camp site and the beach
- 23:48 reaches the beach through a tiny path at a gully with an abandoned camp site
- Theo looks up WU again and walks for 8 minutes to CC at 6km/hr
- 23:56 (+/-) walks up hill and stops for 5,5 minutes in a hidden clearing at about 20m from the sand
- 00:03 Theo / Theo's phone goes back to the beach in less than 2 minutes
- 00:05 GPS tracing stops
- but the phone continued sending signals till the afternoon of June 1st
- 00:20 sends Messenger message to friend Lou in French about U2 Tour: ugh, in September or something?'
- 00:23 watches YouTube Burger quiz for 1 minute and 50 seconds
- 00:55 sends WA message
- 00:56 ping location point “near town”
- 00:56 sends WA message to stepsister in Belgium of a kiss emoji and 'merci'
- 01:01 Theo's phone zoomed in on the location of his hostel on GM, the phone GPS appears to have still been off because the location of the phone was not recorded
- +/- 02:00 - +/- 06:00 phone in 'sleep' mode – drop in phone signal from 02:00-04:00
- +/- 04:00 moon rises and there is moonlight
- +/- 06:00 phone exits 'sleep' mode (what triggered this?)
- 13:42 of June 1st, last ping, originating from Cape Byron, not from CC

Source: Chiatos & SouthAussie

I think a media thread can be made;
I have seen this on other threads.

Not sure how it is done though?

 

[sparks030405]

Just pinning the mapping closer (any better way of storing it for easy retrieval here?)

- 23:07 he exited CM
- 23:08 he stops briefly in Kingsley
- 23:08 ->11:13 walks to the end of Tennyson
- 23:13 stops for 7 minutes
- 23:21 left the slab at the end of Tennyson (went to the intersection of Cowper St/Carlyle St and then backtracks to Marvell St) and went to Massinger Street at 6km/hr
- then walked up hill from Massinger Str, to Milne St. at 4,5 km/hr
- 23: 30 reaches Milne Str.
- then enters Milne track and reaches T-junction in 5 minutes at 7,5km/hr
- stops at T junction for a minute and searches WU hostel
- then walks for 8 minutes at a little more than 4 km/hr
- steers around Tommy's invisible camp site
- location where Theo's cap was found = between Tommy's camp site and the beach
- 23:48 reaches the beach through a tiny path at a gully with an abandoned camp site
- Theo looks up WU again and walks for 8 minutes to CC at 6km/hr
- 23:56 (+/-) walks up hill and stops for 5,5 minutes in a hidden clearing at about 20m from the sand
- 00:03 Theo / Theo's phone goes back to the beach in less than 2 minutes
- 00:05 GPS tracing stops
- but the phone continued sending signals till the afternoon of June 1st
- 00:20 sends Messenger message to friend Lou in French about U2 Tour: ugh, in September or something?'
- 00:23 watches YouTube Burger quiz for 1 minute and 50 seconds
- 00:55 sends WA message
- 00:56 ping location point “near town”
- 00:56 sends WA message to stepsister in Belgium of a kiss emoji and 'merci'
- 01:01 Theo's phone zoomed in on the location of his hostel on GM, the phone GPS appears to have still been off because the location of the phone was not recorded
- +/- 02:00 - +/- 06:00 phone in 'sleep' mode – drop in phone signal from 02:00-04:00
- +/- 04:00 moon rises and there is moonlight
- +/- 06:00 phone exits 'sleep' mode (what triggered this?)
- 13:42 of June 1st, last ping, originating from Cape Byron, not from CC

Source: Chiatos & SouthAussie

Should we clarify the seemingly ‘intended shortest direct route’ albeit with an apparent mis-direction and backtracking correction to/from Cowper/Carlyle? Which was Rec Grounds > Cowper > Marvell > Massinger > Short > Paterson > Milne St > Milne Track...

I am thinking IF Theo was with other/s who lead him from Tennyson, they would not make the mistake to go as far as Cowper/Carlyle (unless picking someone up), but instead he may have been following directions on his own via WhatsApp chat with unknown POI, and mistook route at one point, so maybe he met someone closer to Paterson or Milne St who then lead him through Milne Track and on to CC.

So a series of handovers starting at 1. Cheeky Monkeys, then 2. Tennyson, then 3. Paterson/Milne. Otherwise handover process starts at 2. Tennyson.

 

[espirtu pampa]

Months ago in the LFTH FB page I suggested we crowdfund for a $ reward for information. But the admins deleted my message immediately. I don’t know why this isn’t a good option? Maybe the PI could arrange? I’d contribute to see this poor family find answers.

On the FB page entitled "General Discussion" dated 10 December 5:15 someone started a discussion about a reward. Other members shared the same idea. One at least has already contributed to the existing fund. Also there is a Belgian lady on the FB thread who acts as a go-between with the family. I remember she wrote that the family must agree (I do'nt find that post, maybe deleted).

No "Officials" have come with a reply. One would think that the family will accept.

For the criminal cases you speak of on this thread were was the money for the reward coming from ? The State, Public donation... ?

 

[AJF-Aus]

Hi Espiritu

On the FB page entitled "General Discussion" dated 10 December 5:15 someone started a discussion about a reward. Other members shared the same idea. One at least has already contributed to the existing fund. Also there is a Belgian lady on the FB thread who acts as a go-between with the family. I remember she wrote that the family must agree (I do'nt find that post, maybe deleted).

No "Officials" have come with a reply. One would think that the family will accept.

For the criminal cases you speak of on this thread were was the money for the reward coming from ? The State, Public donation... ?

Hi Espiritu nice to meet you yes I’ve also been watching it develop on there. Just not sure why wait six months but the family or authorities must have had practical reasons or expert advice.

I don’t know about other cases South Aussie knows a bit about them though I think maybe they can tell us.

 

[Rocket333]

I was speaking of the possibility of why Theo didn't take the Milne track to Tallow.
None of us knows anything. We are all just making guess after guess. The behaviour seems too erratic for anything to make any sense.

I think the route taken makes complete sense if you’re wanting to not be seen or run into anyone. It’s the path most obscured. The Milne track is common knowledge and used more often than Tommy’s track, and it puts you on the beach for longer where there may be gatherings. I think this was about avoiding detection. Go fast, go direct and cut through a private track that’s as close as you can get to CC without going through the car park where there’s campers. CC was the destination, possibly due to something in that lantana. IMO

 

[Rocket333]

I’m also thinking of the possibility Theo took photos (in the dark or with a flash) which caused concern from others not wanting to be identified, and the phone became something needing to be removed.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think the route taken makes complete sense if you’re wanting to not be seen or run into anyone. It’s the path most obscured. The Milne track is common knowledge and used more often than Tommy’s track, and it puts you on the beach for longer where there may be gatherings. I think this was about avoiding detection. Go fast, go direct and cut through a private track that’s as close as you can get to CC without going through the car park where there’s campers. CC was the destination, possibly due to something in that lantana. IMO

I must explain myself really badly.
If Theo was on his own (I didn't mention anyone else) I think he was confused in the dark and took the wrong trail.

 

[mussopossum]

I don't get why a reward hasn't been offered either. If new information is seriously being sought. Especially with the PI now involved to make sure it all happens properly.

I mentioned in a previous post, would it be different if the missing person was an Australian Cit.

And that is a statement I said in no disrespect to LE here,

I am not up to speed in cases however are there or have there been any cases of missing persons that are citizens of a different country to AU that have rewards for the information posted here by LE?

Just wondering.

The previous posts I mentioned that maybe AU citizens have more priority over Overseas or legalities with reward offerings (This is what I would like to know)

 

[SouthAussie]

Hi Espiritu

Hi Espiritu nice to meet you yes I’ve also been watching it develop on there. Just not sure why wait six months but the family or authorities must have had practical reasons or expert advice.

I don’t know about other cases South Aussie knows a bit about them though I think maybe they can tell us.

From what I have seen ....

The authorities only offer rewards in cases of obvious crime where they desperately need more information.

Also, Crime Stoppers can offer rewards for certain crime information.

Individuals can offer their own rewards, under guidance. Authorities will warn that a reward will bring all kinds of kooks out of the woodwork. Which is why I think it would be good for a reputable PI to filter tips and manage a reward in Theo's case.

Some rewards in the US have a blend of contributors. Both official and private, and sometimes from several official sources.

 

[SouthAussie]

I mentioned in a previous post, would it be different if the missing person was an Australian Cit.

And that is a statement I said in no disrespect to LE here,

I am not up to speed in cases however are there or have there been any cases of missing persons that are citizens of a different country to AU that have rewards for the information posted here by LE?

Just wondering.

The previous posts I mentioned that maybe AU citizens have more priority over Overseas or legalities with reward offerings (This is what I would like to know)

No, I don't think the nationality is the issue. The issue is the police don't believe that there is a crime in this case (that I can tell).

And I don't think anyone else has been able to point Theo's disappearance to being a crime either ... not with any kind of certainty. There are no clues in that regard. Just people saying that he wouldn't have done this to himself. Police probably hear that many times. And until the inquest, we will not know the entirety of what the police know.

I think everyone is, naturally, looking for a reason for an accident or other. It is very possible that the police have a reason, and that they only want to disclose it to the Coroner (Theo's privacy). The Coroner can handle it from there. imo

 

[Rocket333]

I must explain myself really badly.
If Theo was on his own (I didn't mention anyone else) I think he was confused in the dark and took the wrong trail.

Of course, potentially. I’m just not an advocate of him travelling alone, as I think he wanted to go through the YAC to town or main beach, and the deviation to Tallow wasn’t planned by him.

 

[mussopossum]

No, I don't think the nationality is the issue. The issue is the police don't believe that there is a crime in this case (that I can tell).

And I don't think anyone else has been able to point Theo's disappearance to being a crime either ... not with any kind of certainty. There are no clues in that regard. Just people saying that he wouldn't have done this to himself. Police probably hear that many times. And until the inquest, we will not know the entirety of what the police know.

I think everyone is, naturally, looking for a reason for an accident or other. It is very possible that the police have a reason, and that they only want to disclose it to the Coroner (Theo's privacy). The Coroner can handle it from there. imo

Think you are right SA

Rewards Offered - NSW Police Public Site

Police need your help in solving the cases listed in this site. You may be eligible for a reward if you can provide information that leads to an offender being charged and convicted. Any information you have about any of these cases is worth giving to police, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem.

 

[Rocket333]

From what I have seen ....

The authorities only offer rewards in cases of obvious crime where they desperately need more information.

Also, Crime Stoppers can offer rewards for certain crime information.

Individuals can offer their own rewards, under guidance. Authorities will warn that a reward will bring all kinds of kooks out of the woodwork. Which is why I think it would be good for a reputable PI to filter tips and manage a reward in Theo's case.

Some rewards in the US have a blend of contributors. Both official and private, and sometimes from several official sources.

I agree. The kooks would come out of the woodworks again causing a mountain of work.

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree. The kooks would come out of the woodworks again causing a mountain of work.

Which isn't an issue for the police, because they are accustomed to that. In William Tyrrell's case, over 4,000 tips, and many, many "sightings" of William, and even more sightings of spiderman suits. They had to ask over and over again to only report genuine leads - not sightings of spiderman suits that were nothing like William's.

But for an individual offering a reward, they may have some difficulty distinguishing the kooks from credible leads. Particularly with their emotional attachment to the case.

 

[Rocket333]

At low tide on the sand at CC, could you convince someone unfamiliar with the place that you could walk around the base of the headland to Wategoes? Could it look possible, or be sold as possible, at low tide to a foreigner keen to continue up the beach?

 

[sparks030405]

At low tide on the sand at CC, could you convince someone unfamiliar with the place that you could walk around the base of the headland to Wategoes? Could it look possible, or be sold as possible, at low tide to a foreigner keen to continue up the beach?

No there is no sand there at low tide and the rocks/cliff is too difficult to walk on. If you were silly enough to try, you wouldn’t get far before getting into trouble

 

[SouthAussie]

Think you are right SA

Rewards Offered - NSW Police Public Site

Police need your help in solving the cases listed in this site. You may be eligible for a reward if you can provide information that leads to an offender being charged and convicted. Any information you have about any of these cases is worth giving to police, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem.

Musso, has anyone - Theo's family, the local searchers - recreated Theo's presumed movements from that night? At the same time of night, on the same day of the week, in the same directions, using their phone in as similar a way as possible? (obviously, not alone, due to possible dangers)

I know that this is something that the police do (as in the case of Karen Ristevski) when they are trying to determine an accurate timeline, and what exactly happened, in a crime and/or the aftermath of a crime.

It might be enlightening for someone(s) to do that. Especially the PI.