Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[Rocket333]

The link is the panoramic view from the headland goat tracks by Jackson Hook, and the photo is just noting the red thing in the shot on the ground.


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[T-dawg420]

The link is the panoramic view from the headland goat tracks by Jackson Hook, and the photo is just noting the red thing in the shot on the ground.


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Wow that’s a great pic, Good find! I’m going to attach some pics that I took from when I was at CC of the headland goat tracks that bloke was standing in.

It’s pretty high up there and not the clearest route at the start but it def can be done IMO. You can see in one of the pics me actually starting my climb.

Also there was a couple of interesting things just behind the tree line. There was a square hole in ground with concrete, almost like a fire pit. As well as some old concrete that honestly looked like a couch. My partner commented at the time how it would be a cool place for a party at night!

Edit to add some more shots

 

[espirtu pampa]

Wow that’s a great pic, Good find! I’m going to attach some pics that I took from when I was at CC of the headland goat tracks that bloke was standing in.

It’s pretty high up there and not the clearest route at the start but it def can be done IMO. You can see in one of the pics me actually starting my climb.

Also there was a couple of interesting things just behind the tree line. There was a square hole in ground with concrete, almost like a fire pit. As well as some old concrete that honestly looked like a couch. My partner commented at the time how it would be a cool place for a party at night!

As you say it can be done... do you imagine doing this alone at night ?

 

[T-dawg420]

As you say it can be done... do you imagine doing this alone at night ?

Not now I wouldn’t, I didn’t even go up it the whole way during the Day! But as an 18 year old I probably could have tried! I did plenty of crazy stuff when I was a young adult.

Especially if someone I was with was gonna try it, maybe they had done it before?

 

[bearbear]

this is just another theory, but it does make a lot of sense and fill in a lot of reasons for the seemingly erratic behaviour,
re posting this quote from theos cousin....
The group were perplexed by Theo's speed moving back down the steep hill to Cosy Corner and why he would have found himself in the hidden among the foliage in the first place
Lisa agreed his movements suggested he was 'on something' as it was difficult to fathom how Theo would move so quickly through an area he didn't know
'When you are on MD or acid or anything, you just go and you don't think about what you're doing,' Lisa told the podcast.
Twist in search for Theo Hayez as cousin suggests the backpacker could have been spiked | Daily Mail Online
ive known people to roll around in bramble bushes on acid and emerge all bloody and scratched, he could have climbed or fallen off a cliff oblivious? maybe he decided to have a last celebration in byron?

 

[mussopossum]

Musso, has anyone - Theo's family, the local searchers - recreated Theo's presumed movements from that night? At the same time of night, on the same day of the week, in the same directions, using their phone in as similar a way as possible? (obviously, not alone, due to possible dangers)

I know that this is something that the police do (as in the case of Karen Ristevski) when they are trying to determine an accurate timeline, and what exactly happened, in a crime and/or the aftermath of a crime.

It might be enlightening for someone(s) to do that. Especially the PI.

Regarding recreation of movements, Unfortunately I cannot answer that question SA as im not sure its information that has been released.

I have done a fair bit of testing however not the same times as Theo was there.

My testing I did this weekend was to do with Wifi hotspots around Byron and if Theos phone could have picked up on hot spots.

My testing i also did on the weekend at Tennyson comes up that he may not have been on the slab which was why when I found the drugs there i looked harder at my gps movements and different entry and exit points. Im still working on my data and dropping it in maps and comparing to Theos movements.

 

[Rocket333]

Regarding recreation of movements, Unfortunately I cannot answer that question SA as im not sure its information that has been released.

I have done a fair bit of testing however not the same times as Theo was there.

My testing I did this weekend was to do with Wifi hotspots around Byron and if Theos phone could have picked up on hot spots.

My testing i also did on the weekend at Tennyson comes up that he may not have been on the slab which was why when I found the drugs there i looked harder at my gps movements and different entry and exit points. Im still working on my data and dropping it in maps and comparing to Theos movements.

I thought the family said in one of the earlier pods that they had recreated the route taken based on the gps data they’d gained. They also did the route at night at the same time (in the last pod?).
Now they are recreating the route with the same make and model phone aren’t they? I think this is all known, and they have or will discuss it publicly. IIRC

 

[SouthAussie]

I thought the family said in one of the earlier pods that they had recreated the route taken based on the gps data they’d gained. They also did the route at night at the same time (in the last pod?).
Now they are recreating the route with the same make and model phone aren’t they? I think this is all known, and they have or will discuss it publicly. IIRC

I wonder if they have done it on the same night of the week, and exact same times.

The reason I am wondering this is because of the telecoms signal. It would be good to watch that and see where the signal strength significantly drops at the said times - which I believe is some time/all of the time between 2am and 6am on Saturday morning.

That might show specific locations where Theo or his phone might have been between 2am and 6am. And if the police scenario is the only one or best one that fits the significant drop in signal strength.

 

[Pod]

Does anyone know if the information available only indicates a drop in signal between 2-6am, or if it specifically shows data relating to having climbed up and over the cliffs? It wasn’t clear in the podcast, and I’m a little confused by it. Thank you.

 

[Rocket333]

I wonder if they have done it on the same night of the week, and exact same times.

The reason I am wondering this is because of the telecoms signal. It would be good to watch that and see where the signal strength significantly drops at the said times - which I believe is some time/all of the time between 2am and 6am on Saturday morning.

That might show specific locations where Theo or his phone might have been between 2am and 6am. And if the police scenario is the only one or best one that fits the significant drop in signal strength.

Not sure, but great idea. Maybe ask them on the LFTH Fbook page, as they are reading everything there.

 

[Rocket333]

Does anyone know if the information available only indicates a drop in signal between 2-6am, or if it specifically shows data relating to having climbed up and over the cliffs? It wasn’t clear in the podcast, and I’m a little confused by it. Thank you.

Again no idea, but you can always ask them on the LFTH Facebook page as they seem to read everything and answer these kind of questions.

 

[mussopossum]

I thought the family said in one of the earlier pods that they had recreated the route taken based on the gps data they’d gained. They also did the route at night at the same time (in the last pod?).
Now they are recreating the route with the same make and model phone aren’t they? I think this is all known, and they have or will discuss it publicly. IIRC

Not sure Rocket TBH, I can't keep track of what is out there at the moment and what isn't so apologies if things are or aren't I just dont know without loooking into further to answer correctly

 

[mussopossum]

Again no idea, but you can always ask them on the LFTH Facebook page as they seem to read everything and answer these kind of questions.

I agree Rocket, as we do not have any verified insiders here those questions can be best answered on the LFTH FB page where they can answer correctly

 

[SouthAussie]

Not sure, but great idea. Maybe ask them on the LFTH Fbook page, as they are reading everything there.

No worries. I probably wont be going to the FB page, just trying to give the interested parties here some food for thought, as I do think there is a bit more they can do to get some answers for themselves. Maybe the FB page admins read here.

 

[SouthAussie]

Does anyone know if the information available only indicates a drop in signal between 2-6am, or if it specifically shows data relating to having climbed up and over the cliffs? It wasn’t clear in the podcast, and I’m a little confused by it. Thank you.

My opinion is that the podcast said the police feel that the phone was over the edge, due to the drop in signal. In other words, the signal was being significantly weakened by the land mass between the phone and the tower.

It may be that the weak signal was on the side of the tower closest to the cliffs that the searchers were abseiling.
A tower has many cells on and around it, which carry/emit a certain amount of signals on each one (36 signals?) They should have been able to identify which cell the weakened signal was using.

 

[Jables333]

The Coroner (in Victoria) has reviewed the case file and recommended that homicide get involved. So the case has been assigned to respected cold case detective, Detective Sergeant Paul Rowe, for review and further investigation.

"A decision on whether one (an inquest) will be held will be made after Detective Rowe completes his inquiry."

So, I guess that is another possibility that could happen in Theo's case, if the Coroner feels suspicious when Theo's case file is reviewed.

A lawyer I spoke with last week, working with international law, and whose firm has experience working with LE to get data from Google, said that the family could use legal representation to make recommendations to the Coroner if they feel there's reason to suspect another scenario apart from a fall into the sea.

If the Coroner agrees/feels suspicious then they could recommend further investigation by detectives.

And the law firm would then assist the detectives in navigating the legal process to request data from Google. Something they have done before.

So does anyone know if the family has legal representation?

 

[SouthAussie]

A lawyer I spoke with last week, working with international law, and whose firm has experience working with LE to get data from Google, said that the family could use legal representation to make recommendations to the Coroner if they feel there's reason to suspect another scenario apart from a fall into the sea.

If the Coroner agrees/feels suspicious then they could recommend further investigation by detectives.

And the law firm would then assist the detectives in navigating the legal process to request data from Google. Something they have done before.

So does anyone know if the family has legal representation?

Yes, I believe that is what Baillee Schneider's family did, used a lawyer. So the Coroner reviewed her file well before any inquest.
As well, they had sufficient proof of 'someone' being in contact with their daughter several times on the morning that she died, that 'someone' maybe having gone to her house, and that 'someone' also had a previous girlfriend die under suspicious circumstances (falling feet-first down a 10-storey rubbish chute).

Theo's family hopefully have some proof of their suspicions.
Ret Det Insp Gary Jubelin always maintained that the worst thing for a family, is not knowing where their child is.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Does anyone know if the information available only indicates a drop in signal between 2-6am, or if it specifically shows data relating to having climbed up and over the cliffs? It wasn’t clear in the podcast, and I’m a little confused by it. Thank you.

The podcast said there was a drop in signal between 2-4am. 6am it came out of sleep mode. There seems to be no GPS data since location tracking shut off after leaving the vine alcove. They're going off tower pings. All this is listed a few pages back where there is a real good timeline if you want to view that, plus some possibilities of what 'low signal' could mean.

 

[AJF-Aus]

Even if there is not a suspected crime, shouldn’t triangulation / tower ping data for all phones in the same area at the same time be available on the premise that they are potential witnesses to a serious incident /accident/death?

That data should be explored and an explanation given to the public ASAP... given the high profile nature of the case and the community investment in it. And summary info it should have already been given to the family. For example “x number of people were found to be within x distance from Theo’s location at the time XYZ. Those people have been contacted by police and at this stage XYZ.” It’s crazy that laws don’t exist to enable this. Or maybe they do and the police haven’t done the work or aren’t keeping the family /public informed. All IMO.

 

[BusterXP]

Even if there is not a suspected crime, shouldn’t triangulation / tower ping data for all phones in the same area at the same time be available on the premise that they are potential witnesses to a serious incident /accident/death?

That data should be explored and an explanation given to the public ASAP... given the high profile nature of the case and the community investment in it. And summary info it should have already been given to the family. For example “x number of people were found to be within x distance from Theo’s location at the time XYZ. Those people have been contacted by police and at this stage XYZ.” It’s crazy that laws don’t exist to enable this. Or maybe they do and the police haven’t done the work or aren’t keeping the family /public informed. All IMO.

Privacy Laws exist so that it isn't misused.
It isn't a crime to witness an accidental death or even to fail to render assustance to someone injured unless you are directly involved.