Australia - Tiahleigh Palmer, 12, slain, Pimpama River, Qld, 30 Oct 2015 #1 *Arrests*

[Trooper]

No, bad granny. She was 12, she was groomed and vulnerable. Police state she complained to people FM included. Bad granny

call me cynical, but I have to agree with you there, CS... unless and until I see a vid clip of Tia herself claiming a 'crush' and being ready to experiment with Hairdo Bro I 'm going along with the rational response of Tia being forced into this whole ambience.

She was murdered, at home, on the 29th, a Thursday.. one presumes they were all at home, unless some claim shows otherwise.. Did they assist?.. since Rick has a 'bad back'...

 

[Karinna]

What a lovely post TGY :loveyou::.....Unfortunately, Tialeigh was let down not only by her family, but her foster parents as well......This is such a sad sad case, I am not going to post my thoughts on here anymore as I like to express my true feelings and beliefs, but unfortunately it gets me into trouble, as some posters here appear to take my comments the wrong way, so it is wise on my part to post no more on this case, sadly, as I stand for truth and the care and wellbeing of poor vulnerable and innocent children who didn't ask to be brought into this world in the first place.....MOO...:blowkiss:

I think i get what you're saying Tiddles, and i feel your frustration at all that is wrong in this world when it comes to children, because i have felt the same as well. The problems that i have seen with the Aus. Govt. encouraging very young women to have babies i think we can apportion some blame to them too for offering up $5,000 baby bonuses or whatever amount they were offering to encourage that? I don't know if that is still in place through C/Link? But then there is parenting payments as well, so a young person can make quite a good income of PPS and depending on the amount of children they have they get even more money, so they make a career out of that. I was preggers with my first child at 19, and there was no such thing as parenting payments and all the other bennies that single mothers get. I think we got a little bit of child endowment payment back in the day. But my husband & i worked for what we needed to look after our family. Times have indeed changed and i think not for the better in that regard. It's a sad world for a lot of children and with all the abuse they are subject to as well.
I also don't think a teenage mother realises the huge responsibility that comes with having a child. It's the most important job that we undertake in life to raise healthy children, because they are the future. All IMO.

 

[Karinna]

call me cynical, but I have to agree with you there, CS... unless and until I see a vid clip of Tia herself claiming a 'crush' and being ready to experiment with Hairdo Bro I 'm going along with the rational response of Tia being forced into this whole ambience.

She was murdered, at home, on the 29th, a Thursday.. one presumes they were all at home, unless some claim shows otherwise.. Did they assist?.. since Rick has a 'bad back'...

A 12 year old girl having a crush on an adult is probably not unusual just before that girl hits puberty. The adult should of known better and using the having a crush excuse is despicable, IMO.

 

[Freya1977]

His ABN was cancelled 5 days after Tia's body was found. He had held this ABN for 5 years. Interesting

http://abncheck.com.au/abn/34184310332

 

[they'll get you]

Thanks! Sounds like it's not their previous property then.

So, the house where the police are now searching - Did the Thorburns live there up until now, or did they relocate since Tia went missing?

Only a few days ago when reporters challenged RT at their gate which led down a long driveway to the house.

 

[Karinna]

If there was reported known child abuse prior to Tiah's placement in that family some heads definitely need to roll. Where are the in depth background checks, etc. before placing any child for fostering? And Tiah is not the first child to come to grief in a foster situation.

 

[they'll get you]

Haha OK, I can see that it's important to you, with your defence of that ignorant opinion being your very first post on this site and all. LOL

Attacking the victim's family...sigh.

Let it go, just let it go everyone.
We all make mistakes and we all remain friends.

NUUUURSE!

 

[Freya1977]

Only a few days ago when reporters challenged RT at their gate which led down a long driveway to the house.

Thanks

I saw a few references to them moving - For some reason was thinking they no longer lived at the same address as when Tia lived there. I'm less confused now!

 

[possumheart]

The government introduced the baby bonus in 2002 to offset the ageing population problem, so it was a Liberal Party directed incentive to boost the population. I can see the reasoning behind it, but I am sheltered from seeing ghettos of single mothers living on benefits. I'm sure they exist. I agree about the huge responsibility of raising a child, but I absolutely do not condone blaming the victim's family. The victim's foster family were taking everything they could possibly get financially from the industry of child care, and what I can see is a pack of monsters.

I think i get what you're saying Tiddles, and i feel your frustration at all that is wrong in this world when it comes to children, because i have felt the same as well. The problems that i have seen with the Aus. Govt. encouraging very young women to have babies i think we can apportion some blame to them too for offering up $5,000 baby bonuses or whatever amount they were offering to encourage that? I don't know if that is still in place through C/Link? But then there is parenting payments as well, so a young person can make quite a good income of PPS and depending on the amount of children they have they get even more money, so they make a career out of that. I was preggers with my first child at 19, and there was no such thing as parenting payments and all the other bennies that single mothers get. I think we got a little bit of child endowment payment back in the day. But my husband & i worked for what we needed to look after our family. Times have indeed changed and i think not for the better in that regard. It's a sad world for a lot of children and with all the abuse they are subject to as well.
I also don't think a teenage mother realises the huge responsibility that comes with having a child. It's the most important job that we undertake in life to raise healthy children, because they are the future. All IMO.

 

[Freya1977]

If there was reported known child abuse prior to Tiah's placement in that family some heads definitely need to roll. Where are the in depth background checks, etc. before placing any child for fostering? And Tiah is not the first child to come to grief in a foster situation.

It appears that they did all those checks and this family had no record...So no way for them to have known.

I hope this leads to changes in the way they assess the appropriateness of the foster family makeup.

Putting a young, developing girl into a house of 3 adult men is NOT right. Teenaged boys are not exactly known for their judgment! What a recipe for disaster

 

[they'll get you]

Oh, really? lolol

What about this?

let it go pleeease?

As a sufferer of foot-in-mouth disease my friends here at WS alway forgive and forget.

 

[possumheart]

Both 'boys' were old enough to vote, drive a car and to go to war. They were men.

It appears that they did all those checks and this family had no record...So no way for them to have known.

I hope this leads to changes in the way they assess the appropriateness of the foster family makeup.

Putting a young, developing girl into a house of 3 adult men is NOT right. Teenaged boys are not exactly known for their judgment! What a recipe for disaster

 

[they'll get you]

Or watching knowingly, all too familiar. Recognising their own situation in hers. Maybe, MAYBE, even coming to understand that they don't have to put up with their own situation.

I hope if maybe just one volnerable child out there realises he/she won't have to put up with it another second. Please tell someone out side the family you are with. A teacher, school nurse, a friend's parent anyone who will help. If the household is doing you wrong get to a safe place. Now.

My God this is mindblowing.

 

[Trooper]

A 12 year old girl having a crush on an adult is probably not unusual just before that girl hits puberty. The adult should of known better and using the having a crush excuse is despicable, IMO.

Yes I am well aware of the propensity of 12 yr old girls having crushes on older boys/men . I was once a 12 yr old girl myself, but in this particular case with all it's hideous and repulsive components, I'll stick with my original statement, that until I see it in Tia's writing or on Vid clip, I am proceeding on the basis that Tia didn't have much of a say in anything and particularly in the matter of any sexual involvements, by either the son, or the father, and the mother wasn't inclined to protect her , either.


I am left wondering if Julene and Rick were trying to edge the bi-sexual son into a more conformist role in sexual matters, at any young girls expense...... that in some way, Tia was seen by them as a catalyst for bending the sexual preferences of perhaps both sons in one direction.

 

[Trooper]

It appears that they did all those checks and this family had no record...So no way for them to have known.

I hope this leads to changes in the way they assess the appropriateness of the foster family makeup.

Putting a young, developing girl into a house of 3 adult men is NOT right. Teenaged boys are not exactly known for their judgment! What a recipe for disaster

It is such an obvious, red flagged, pointy headed screaming stand off point , Freya!! It is SO obvious, so utterly incomprehensible to proceed with that placement, even if the 4 Thorburns were practicing Cistercian Monks, in habit, with lifelong vows of celibacy and poverty, no , no , no. a thousand times no.

 

[Karinna]

The government introduced the baby bonus in 2002 to offset the ageing population problem, so it was a Liberal Party directed incentive to boost the population. I can see the reasoning behind it, but I am sheltered from seeing ghettos of single mothers living on benefits. I'm sure they exist. I agree about the huge responsibility of raising a child, but I absolutely do not condone blaming the victim's family. The victim's foster family were taking everything they could possibly get financially from the industry of child care, and what I can see is a pack of monsters.

You are lucky then to not see visually how some of those poor kids are dragged up in those situations. The single mother with a revolving door of boyfriends, alcohol & drugs, yeah its out there. I have encountered some of these types of people when i have been up the street and they are awful, poor kids.
And i agree with you about not being ok. with victim blaming the family of a murdered child, that is all kinds of wrong and should never happen at all.
But i don't think the poster that posted that was doing that, just making a generalised statement is how i perceived it.
And whenever there is free money to be had by the Govt. funded by the taxpayer there seems to be abuse of those systems. Poor Tiahleigh paid a terrible price.

 

[Freya1977]

Both 'boys' were old enough to vote, drive a car and to go to war. They were men.

An 18-year-old is still an adolescent, 'boys', 'men'....semantics.

Adolescents are prone to think with their, ahem, hormones. I am not trying to excuse anything, I am saying that this should have been foreseen.

 

[Karinna]

Yes I am well aware of the propensity of 12 yr old girls having crushes on older boys/men . I was once a 12 yr old girl myself, but in this particular case with all it's hideous and repulsive components, I'll stick with my original statement, that until I see it in Tia's writing or on Vid clip, I am proceeding on the basis that Tia didn't have much of a say in anything and particularly in the matter of any sexual involvements, by either the son, or the father, and the mother wasn't inclined to protect her , either.


I am left wondering if Julene and Rick were trying to edge the bi-sexual son into a more conformist role in sexual matters, at any young girls expense...... that in some way, Tia was seen by them as a catalyst for bending the sexual preferences of perhaps both sons in one direction.

Of course Tiah didn't get a say in it, and i never said she did. It is my opinion in what i said and i think that's ok. isn't it? And the horrible situation she was in is unconscionable.

 

[Trooper]

An 18-year-old is still an adolescent, 'boys', 'men'....semantics.

Adolescents are prone to think with their, ahem, hormones. I am not trying to excuse anything, I am saying that this should have been foreseen.

there doesn't seem to be any mention of the sons doing all the pre foster care rigmarole, .. the training , the legal ramifications, all the stuff I am sure foster carers are put under and into, pre placement.,.. it has to be that way, but it has occurred to me that the children of foster carers probably don't get the training.... I wonder if these boys knew the consequence of sex with one's foster sister?... I doubt it, somehow.

of course, I am sure Rick knew all about that. For sure. He would have been well aware of the consequences of sexual congress between the children in his wife's daycare shindig and him and of foster children in his care and him .

 

[Trooper]

You are lucky then to not see visually how some of those poor kids are dragged up in those situations. The single mother with a revolving door of boyfriends, alcohol & drugs, yeah its out there. I have encountered some of these types of people when i have been up the street and they are awful, poor kids.
And i agree with you about not being ok. with victim blaming the family of a murdered child, that is all kinds of wrong and should never happen at all.
But i don't think the poster that posted that was doing that, just making a generalised statement is how i perceived it.
And whenever there is free money to be had by the Govt. funded by the taxpayer there seems to be abuse of those systems. Poor Tiahleigh paid a terrible price.

how do these poor single mothers drag their own revolving door up the street , plus all their kids, where you see them ushering in all different boyfriends??