Australia - Tiahleigh Palmer, 12, slain, Pimpama River, Qld, 30 Oct 2015 #1 *Arrests*

[Karinna]

Here is the case of a little boy that also died in foster care in NSW, and was a petition, i read it and wept
A Royal Commission into the failures of Family and Community Services NSW (FACS)

 

[possumheart]

there doesn't seem to be any mention of the sons doing all the pre foster care rigmarole, .. the training , the legal ramifications, all the stuff I am sure foster carers are put under and into, pre placement.,.. it has to be that way, but it has occurred to me that the children of foster carers probably don't get the training.... I wonder if these boys knew the consequence of sex with one's foster sister?... I doubt it, somehow.

of course, I am sure Rick knew all about that. For sure. He would have been well aware of the consequences of sexual congress between the children in his wife's daycare shindig and him and of foster children in his care and him .

BUT the horny man-children would have known where babies come from. Surely. They would have known about that consequence.

 

[possumheart]

LOL. Great visual.

how do these poor single mothers drag their own revolving door up the street , plus all their kids, where you see them ushering in all different boyfriends??

 

[Karinna]

how do these poor single mothers drag their own revolving door up the street , plus all their kids, where you see them ushering in all different boyfriends??

Sorry, No i didn't see that up the street, LOL. But i worked as a nurse in a Community based centre where we had to check on our clients and was an offshoot of the "normalisation" of the placing psyche patients into the community. It was Govt. based programme, and some of our psyche patients were housed in a street of single mothers in the cheap commission housing they got at the time. I saw plenty to make your hair curl, LOL. In summer the guys & gals were out in the front yards drinking beer, smoking etc. and the little kids running around in the yard and on the street. The adults cussing at them. I think you get the picture.

 

[Trooper]

BUT the horny man-children would have known where babies come from. Surely. They would have known about that consequence.

well.... apparently, Hairdo Bro had a vague idea of this equals that, but his timing was somewhat iffy. .. I maintain he facebooked the cousin to brag, more than any concern for Tia being pregnant..

 

[Trooper]

Sorry, No i didn't see that up the street, LOL. But i worked as a nurse in a Community based centre where we had to check on our clients and was an offshoot of the "normalisation" of the placing psyche patients into the community. It was Govt. based programme, and some of our psyche patients were housed in a street of single mothers in the cheap commission housing they got at the time. I saw plenty to make your hair curl, LOL. In summer the guys & gals were out in the front yards drinking beer, smoking etc. and the little kids running around in the yard and on the street. The adults cussing at them. I think you get the picture.

Sure I get it, that's exactly how I grew up.

 

[they'll get you]

HE'S AWAKE!
https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/326...ter-father-obtained-pills-after-arrest/#page1

GOOD! Now hit him! Hit him hard!

 

[Karinna]

Sure I get it, that's exactly how I grew up.

Fair enough.

 

[Strangeworld]

I hope that there is some learning that comes from this horrible loss of Tiahleigh's life. For a start, if a child of her age is reporting a crush on a boy in a foster environment, she should be removed...no ifs or buts. She was totally vulnerable and those sorts of feelings made her even more vulnerable (if she did in fact have those feelings).

The psych in me can't help but wonder how this supposed cross-generational abuse has come about..nature, nurture and all that.
Genetic influence? Environmental and modelling? Did either one or both parents groom the son (or maybe even sons???)? Did the son observe parent/s engaging in abuse? Or even worse, did one or both parents encourage abuse? I REALLY want to know what conversations about abuse occurred in that household pre and post abuse of Tiah and other children….I just feel sick thinking how bad this could end up getting, and how many other victims there may be.

 

[matey]

In today's New Zealand Herald...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11714801

So reading from this, 'Tialeigh's grandma, Sue Palmer, who cared for 12 year old Tialeigh until she was 10, said that her grandaughter had the opportunity to leave the Thorburn family's home but insisted on remaining there. She said that Tialeigh wanted to stay because of the boy as she had a crush on him'.
I am wondering what happened that Tialeigh's grandma couldn't look after her after age 10, having to place Tialeigh into foster care. Family breakdown, maybe?..:dunno:

 

[Kitsune]

So she had a crush on him, people knew (grandma at least on bio side) , no one seemed to believe it was problematic enough to tell foster qld. Again , I will say that 12 isn't 12 anymore, they are much more mature then they used to be, the sex education given in schools is definitely proof of that! The content is shocking! Remember grade 7 in qld is also now in high school, where they mix with all grades. I will be very interested to see these fb messages and the statement given by Tiahleigh's friend, to see in what context everything was said. People knowing about a crush should of been a red flag and should of had her moved asap!
Again such a tragic event that definitely had the ability to be prevented!

 

[Karinna]

So reading from this, 'Tialeigh's grandma, Sue Palmer, who cared for 12 year old Tialeigh until she was 10, said that her grandaughter had the opportunity to leave the Thorburn family's home but insisted on remaining there. She said that Tialeigh wanted to stay because of the boy as she had a crush on him'.
I am wondering what happened that Tialeigh's grandma couldn't look after her after age 10, having to place Tialeigh into foster care. Family breakdown, maybe?..:dunno:

But didn't Tiah complain about being inappropriately touched?

 

[Trooper]

I hope that there is some learning that comes from this horrible loss of Tiahleigh's life. For a start, if a child of her age is reporting a crush on a boy in a foster environment, she should be removed...no ifs or buts. She was totally vulnerable and those sorts of feelings made her even more vulnerable (if she did in fact have those feelings).

The psych in me can't help but wonder how this supposed cross-generational abuse has come about..nature, nurture and all that.
Genetic influence? Environmental and modelling? Did either one or both parents groom the son (or maybe even sons???)? Did the son observe parent/s engaging in abuse? Or even worse, did one or both parents encourage abuse? I REALLY want to know what conversations about abuse occurred in that household pre and post abuse of Tiah and other children….I just feel sick thinking how bad this could end up getting, and how many other victims there may be.

there is a hint in the general outlook in Trent's facebook message to his cousin.. he had sex with Tia because she threatened to kill his dog. ( my bold print) .... sex as punishment? as disciplinary measures? ..

 

[they'll get you]

there is a hint in the general outlook in Trent's facebook message to his cousin.. he had sex with Tia because she threatened to kill his dog. ( my bold print) .... sex as punishment? as disciplinary measures? ..

Sadly it doesn't sound a gentle act for sure.
I thought the same but couldn't convey my thoughts.

I hope that mongrel wakes soon so someone can knock him out.

 

[Karinna]

there is a hint in the general outlook in Trent's facebook message to his cousin.. he had sex with Tia because she threatened to kill his dog. ( my bold print) .... sex as punishment? as disciplinary measures? ..

I call B.S.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Yes I am well aware of the propensity of 12 yr old girls having crushes on older boys/men . I was once a 12 yr old girl myself, but in this particular case with all it's hideous and repulsive components, I'll stick with my original statement, that until I see it in Tia's writing or on Vid clip, I am proceeding on the basis that Tia didn't have much of a say in anything and particularly in the matter of any sexual involvements, by either the son, or the father, and the mother wasn't inclined to protect her , either.


I am left wondering if Julene and Rick were trying to edge the bi-sexual son into a more conformist role in sexual matters, at any young girls expense...... that in some way, Tia was seen by them as a catalyst for bending the sexual preferences of perhaps both sons in one direction.

In some cases, the parent/s purposely bring a young girl into the family for their son/s, to keep them home, so they don't 'run off' with a more suitable partner, like a woman, because they imagine they'll lose control over this son.

 

[Karinna]

Sadly it doesn't sound a gentle act for sure.
I thought the same but couldn't convey my thoughts.

I hope that mongrel wakes soon so someone can knock him out.

Isn't it the father that's in the coma? Or maybe he came to by now? I thought it was the son that raped her?

 

[Trooper]

Sadly it doesn't sound a gentle act for sure.
I thought the same but couldn't convey my thoughts.

I hope that mongrel wakes soon so someone can knock him out.

Rick is going to face yet another of his failures when he comes out of that coma. ( I am assuming he will, surely , surely life wouldn't be that unfair that he wouldn't ) ... it will seem like a lifetime of failure, and how unhappy the rest of the gang will be with him. . . him trying to leave them with all the mess, all the horror, all the e.x.t.r.a. expenses. ..... I am curious to see if his story changes once he is back in the real world, and under observation 24/7 for a very long time.

 

[possumheart]

I call B.S.

It could be read another way, if this man-child is as full of himself as he appears ... Tia had a mad desperate crush on him and threatened to kill his dog unless he had sex with her. But that doesn't fit with the 'tried to touch me' statement.

 

[Trooper]

It could be read another way, if this man-child is as full of himself as he appears ... Tia had a mad desperate crush on him and threatened to kill his dog unless he had sex with her. But that doesn't fit with the 'tried to touch me' statement.

I inferred from the friends recollection that Tia was complaining about the constant groping of her , especially when the mother went out. And, poss, you know.. it must have been bad if Tia was prepared to, and told her friend she had done so, tell the foster mother. .. I bet she got a mouthful of abuse back from Julene on that score, because blammo, there goes the security of the income stream if Tia talks to anyone else about it. ....