Australia - Toyah Cordingley, 24, body found on beach, 22 October 2018 #2

[BreakingNews]

I imagine the most likely answer would be yes, it is someone she knows or someone local. There's too much coincidence for it to be a tourist or someone that doesn't know the area. Think about what we know (or think we know)
1) The beach is often quiet, especially that end of Wangetti. I'm not local and I would not have known that if I hadn't read it since Toyah was found.
2) Toyah went there often, this was known to her family and would have been known by people close to her. (Who else could know? Possibly other dog walkers, people living on the beach for extended periods of time, could Toyah have suggested it as a walking spot to a former client at the shelter she worked at before the pharmacy? I feel we can rule Wangetti residents out as it was reported that they volunteered DNA samples at the very beginning)
3) The attack was 'frenzied'and she was left with 'violent and visible injuries' we know this usually means its personal, at least for the perp.
4) Police have asked for anyone that witnessed suspicious activity at Lake Placid on the 21st to come forward. They have done searches and said that 'items of interest' were found but they could not comment further. How well known is Lake Placid? I live in QLD and had never heard of it until last month. Is it a tourist attraction? Or is it somewhere that locals frequent more?

Things that point to it not being a local
1) No quick arrest and no confessions, the whole community is behind Toyahs family and the fight for justice so surely by now if it had been a local the police would have more to go on?
2) Police appealing for anyone that has felt uncomfortable because of another persons behaviour at a beach to come forward, quite a large area as well.

Things that point to the police having a suspect
1) No outright warnings that there is a killer out there, no constant patrols and no real sort of 'stay away from beaches'kind of thing. That could also be on the renewed focus to target the offenders behaviours rather than victim blaming but I would still expect more being said about the danger of walking alone.
2) The narrow time frame of the appeal for drivers. Could they have the details of Toyahs phones last pings?

Feel free to add more or let me know if you have a different perspective. My heart hurts for her family.

Lake Placid is more of a local secret. I think it is not listed as a suburb in itself, but comes under Caravonica. The Barron Gorge Power Station is just up from it. The actual Barron Gorge is in Kuranda and is spectacular in the wet season, but usually a trickle in the drier season. Lake Placid is where the white water ride ends. There was (might still be there) a cafe and caravan park and a few cabins. The lake then turns into the Barron River and runs out to sea just north of Cairns near Machans Beach.

 

[seekingjustice**]

I went back through my history, took ages, looking for these two articles that I remembered reading and which have snippets of information that I'm not sure we've discussed.

Quoted - Queensland Police later said Ms Cordingley had sustained "visible, violent injuries" before her death. /b

"We'd like to remind people to look around in their community and think about anyone in their community since last Sunday that has any injuries that can't be accounted for, movements that can't be accounted for between 12pm and 7pm and anyone with damaged /b or unaccounted for clothing," Det Insp Smith said.

Hope my bolding works as I haven't tried it before.

I wonder what they mean by damaged clothing?

And the thought that she suffered the violent injuries before death, breaks my heart.

Police hunt ‘panicked’ men in Toyah’s murder

 

[Maztif]

I don't think it was a stranger who simply asked to walk with her. Where she was found is not the best of the beach to be walking on. The masturbator was photographed from Rex Lookout which only looks down on the nice sandy beach further north of where she was found. Same beach the hang gliders land. There is a bend in the beach so Toyah would have been on the southern end of this where the beach is often stony. She was found up in the sand dunes. This is close to Ellis Beach. I don't believe this was a stranger. Might be someone who had many times walked another dog with her in the same spot. Even a domestic homicide can also be rape. Especially if someone was very very angry at her. Tie the dog up so it won't follow, then run back to Ellis Beach or somewhere else. Or someone else known to her. Sexual abuse and homicide can easily be someone close to her.

I agree a stranger would not be likely to approach someone with that larger dog, even if the dog looked friendly it may sense intent and turn. If she were completely alone then I would expect a stranger.

 

[seekingjustice**]

Maybe a couple of guys spotted her from Rex's Lookout, strolling along the beach. Wouldn't take them long to drive down there. I didn't realise also, that Rex's lookout is only 1.3 km from Wangetti carpark and if she was 800 down the beach, heading north, then it's only 500 metres from the lookout. That would be a good view.

 

[JLZ]

Maybe a couple of guys spotted her from Rex's Lookout, strolling along the beach. Wouldn't take them long to drive down there. I didn't realise also, that Rex's lookout is only 1.3 km from Wangetti carpark and if she was 800 down the beach, heading north, then it's only 500 metres from the lookout. That would be a good view.

I think that would be the northern carpark. Rex Lookout is nearly 5km from the southern carpark where Toyah left her car, from my reading of the maps. (I could be wrong. It happens.)

 

[Maztif]

I went back through my history, took ages, looking for these two articles that I remembered reading and which have snippets of information that I'm not sure we've discussed.

Quoted - Queensland Police later said Ms Cordingley had sustained "visible, violent injuries" before her death. /b

"We'd like to remind people to look around in their community and think about anyone in their community since last Sunday that has any injuries that can't be accounted for, movements that can't be accounted for between 12pm and 7pm and anyone with damaged /b or unaccounted for clothing," Det Insp Smith said.

Hope my bolding works as I haven't tried it before.

I wonder what they mean by damaged clothing?

And the thought that she suffered the violent injuries before death, breaks my heart.

Police hunt ‘panicked’ men in Toyah’s murder

Visible violent injuries (allot of emotion)
Buried or partly buried ( could not stand to see what they had done)
Knew the exact time and place she would be (calculated meeting)
Areas evidence dispersed ( Cleary someone who knows the area)
Lack of all relevant information to media ( either know nothing or are completely sealing a case)

 

[seekingjustice**]

I think that would be the northern carpark. Rex Lookout is nearly 5km from the southern carpark where Toyah left her car, from my reading of the maps. (I could be wrong. It happens.)

You're right, thanks JLZ, I got the carparks mixed up

 

[they'll get you]

Wonder if she had any ‘unhappy about it’ ex bfs? That could be another possibility? Wanted to get back together/jealous etc... or a stalkery type who wanted a ‘relationship’ with her.

If I can't have her nobody will.

 

[they'll get you]

Maybe a couple of guys spotted her from Rex's Lookout, strolling along the beach. Wouldn't take them long to drive down there. I didn't realise also, that Rex's lookout is only 1.3 km from Wangetti carpark and if she was 800 down the beach, heading north, then it's only 500 metres from the lookout. That would be a good view.

Youtube is full of footage of drones on beaches, maybe they didn't have to be at the lookout to perv.
I saw a drone high over my back yard a week ago and as soon as I looked up at it it took off really quickly.

 

[seekingjustice**]

Youtube is full of footage of drones on beaches, maybe they didn't have to be at the lookout to perv.
I saw a drone high over my back yard a week ago and as soon as I looked up at it it took off really quickly.

Wow that's creepy TGY. I've even read that there is a drone that can see through walls, an x-ray type drone.

 

[Ariona]

Visible violent injuries (allot of emotion)
Buried or partly buried ( could not stand to see what they had done)
Knew the exact time and place she would be (calculated meeting)
Areas evidence dispersed ( Cleary someone who knows the area)
Lack of all relevant information to media ( either know nothing or are completely sealing a case)

Exactly what I think too. Totally agree with you

 

[PolyDot]

Visible violent injuries (allot of emotion)
Buried or partly buried ( could not stand to see what they had done)
Knew the exact time and place she would be (calculated meeting)
Areas evidence dispersed ( Cleary someone who knows the area)
Lack of all relevant information to media ( either know nothing or are completely sealing a case)

Insightful post ..

 

[they'll get you]

Wow that's creepy TGY. I've even read that there is a drone that can see through walls, an x-ray type drone.

Bloody hell mate! Crikey an e-ray drone now, what hope have we got.

The cops took DNA from the locals so that indicates they found DNA on Toyah.
Maybe it takes a while to find a match OR the perp has no priors which might be a problem.

 

[Aus94]

I too must admit that I am thinking it is someone known to Toyah in some way.

The fact alone that the police haven't said to avoid beaches/similar public areas says a lot - and makes me think that they have a fairly strong idea who has done it but might only have circumstantial evidence at this point. Couple that with the very specific time period of the 7o vehicles = they are looking for concrete evidence to nail the suspect.

The isolated areas are just too coincidental for someone other than a local to be conveniently in, and conveniently dispose of evidence (assuming that is what has happened at Lake Placid). I can't decide whether I think it was planned or an instant act of rage? We don't have much idea from the police as to what/if any evidence was left. I would think a lot of evidence or easily found evidence would point to the fact that it wasn't well thought out.

 

[The hairless mexican]

That beautiful young girl with her whole life in front of her. Makes me mad.

A post from her Facebook

"I can only imagine the rage and fear women feel to see women die doing everyday mundane things like walking home, like they do to, only to then be told it's their fault and that they need to be more careful. Stop Blaming Women Make Men The Issue".

Woman 'murdered' walking her dog on Far North Queensland beach

These crimes are heartbreaking and victim blaming’s disgraceful, about as ‘off’ as you can get. Indeed, these freaks are men, but here’s the thing: Men aren’t the issue per say, more than 99% of men are appalled by these crimes, men are fathers, brothers and sons desperate to protect the ppl they love. Another observation, but I guess off point a little; From the killers ive looked into (just a true crime nut!) with a psycho/sexual or sexually sadistic motive, most can trace the origins of their deviant behaviour back to a dysfunctional relationship with their mothers.

 

[k-mac]

I went back through my history, took ages, looking for these two articles that I remembered reading and which have snippets of information that I'm not sure we've discussed.

Quoted - Queensland Police later said Ms Cordingley had sustained "visible, violent injuries" before her death. /b

"We'd like to remind people to look around in their community and think about anyone in their community since last Sunday that has any injuries that can't be accounted for, movements that can't be accounted for between 12pm and 7pm and anyone with damaged /b or unaccounted for clothing," Det Insp Smith said.

Hope my bolding works as I haven't tried it before.

I wonder what they mean by damaged clothing?

And the thought that she suffered the violent injuries before death, breaks my heart.

Police hunt ‘panicked’ men in Toyah’s murder

'has any injuries that can't be accounted for'
those bare scratched arms at toyahs memorial service, we can assume police have identified and accounted all that. ??

 

[seekingjustice**]

'has any injuries that can't be accounted for'
those bare scratched arms at toyahs memorial service, we can assume police have identified and accounted all that. ??

Good question k-mac. It seemed very unusual how the camera crew zoomed right in on that big scratched arm, at the funeral.

I'm curious what they mean by 'damaged' clothing. Does that mean torn. I wouldn't think you'd describe blood stains as damaged??

 

[Jan1ne]

I've been wondering for some time, was she actually sexually assaulted?
The police only said it appeared to be a sexually motivated crime at the very beginning stages of investigation, with no mention since. I'm assuming this is because she was found naked? As per reports they couldnt verify what Toyah was wearing that day at the beach?

 

[seekingjustice**]

I've been wondering for some time, was she actually sexually assaulted?
The police only said it appeared to be a sexually motivated crime at the very beginning stages of investigation, with no mention since. I'm assuming this is because she was found naked? As per reports they couldnt verify what Toyah was wearing that day at the beach?

That's right, it was never confirmed whether she was sexually assaulted. I still think it's very strange that the killer/s took all her clothes with them. So many of these type of random murders where a body is found, they say, partially naked, or half naked and have a description of the clothing. Just another unusual aspect of this crime. There mustn't be anybody that saw her after she left Rusty's Market, or they would be able to give a description of what she was wearing. I also would have expected, if she changed out of the clothes she was seen wearing earlier that day, they would have found them in her house.

 

[KatKat]

Police are keeping it all very tight lipped. I don’t know Cairns and surrounds, but surely there are more places with cctv. That could give an idea of what she was wearing, was she alone etc