Australia - Toyah Cordingley, 24, body found on beach, 22 October 2018 #3

[Rocket333]

I’m sure the police are aware that there is a lot of public concern and fear about what happened to Toyah on the beach, and although we know media can be intrusive -
a public appeal can only help surely?

Do you think there’s still people out there that know something and haven’t reported it?

 

[Rocket333]

It may well be that MSM has caused irreparable damage to this investigation.

We are pawns. A pawn that does not move in the game upsets it.

 

[Rocket333]

Extract:
Mr Cordingley said in the post that he had recorded a public appeal with the police that was due to be shown on TV this week, but police had decided not to run it due to "the media undermining their investigation".

Interested to know how an appeal for info by the father risks case interference. The appeal by the mother & step father didn’t. The attention on POI’s creates public excitement, so that’s the only area they would be reticent to reveal. Unless the father’s story heightens interest, anger, and an increased focus on any POI.....which it would probably do. I can see their point. If they want to concentrate on POI, they need the space and quiet to do so.
On that note, if this ever went to trial, how could they find a neutral jury in Qld?

 

[Ampersandish]

I've done a massively long post with lots of locational content comment, but it's awaiting moderator approval (not sure why, is it the size of it?) In the meantime, I found something in one of the real estate adverts about the car. One of the photos in the real estate adverts (looking along the verandah pic) shows a navy blue looks like a 4wd vehicle with side running boards, parked out the front. Almost the same as car #19 in the Police's 68 vehicle video. I know people talked about a white ute. Could this just be coincidence?

 

[Rocket333]

I've done a massively long post with lots of locational content comment, but it's awaiting moderator approval (not sure why, is it the size of it?) In the meantime, I found something in one of the real estate adverts about the car. One of the photos in the real estate adverts (looking along the verandah pic) shows a navy blue looks like a 4wd vehicle with side running boards, parked out the front. Almost the same as car #19 in the Police's 68 vehicle video. I know people talked about a white ute. Could this just be coincidence?

Great pick-up!! Notice the gap between car 18 & 19 too. What sort of car is 19?

 

[JLZ]

Interested to know how an appeal for info by the father risks case interference. The appeal by the mother & step father didn’t. The attention on POI’s creates public excitement, so that’s the only area they would be reticent to reveal. Unless the father’s story heightens interest, anger, and an increased focus on any POI.....which it would probably do. I can see their point. If they want to concentrate on POI, they need the space and quiet to do so.
On that note, if this ever went to trial, how could they find a neutral jury in Qld?

The appeal by the mother and stepfather were before the media spoke up about RS. I don't think it's anything about the father or his appeal that is problematic. After all, it was recorded with police involvement. I think the police are genuinely annoyed about what the media has done here and the new release is being cancelled (1) as punishment for the media and (2) so as not to add fuel to the flame. You know how these things are reported--anything new will be followed by the history of the investigation, including about RS.

I don't agree about Queensland being unable to provide an unbiassed jury.

 

[Myserty64]

Is there any word on the father who went to find the wayward son or are they both missing now?

 

[Rocket333]

The appeal by the mother and stepfather were before the media spoke up about RS. I don't think it's anything about the father or his appeal that is problematic. After all, it was recorded with police involvement. I think the police are genuinely annoyed about what the media has done here and the new release is being cancelled (1) as punishment for the media and (2) so as not to add fuel to the flame. You know how these things are reported--anything new will be followed by the history of the investigation, including about RS.

I don't agree about Queensland being unable to provide an unbiassed jury.

Felt it was media precaution too (laced with a hint of punishment). I’m not saying Qlds unable to provide an unbiased jury.

 

[Rocket333]

Is there any word on the father who went to find the wayward son or are they both missing now?

Last thing I read was that the wife & brother hadn’t heard a word from RS, and Dad was doorknocking with no luck. Wonder if they both bought one way tickets....

 

[they'll get you]

A thought I had was he might have been angry or depressed at work or home and went to the beach to suicide, saw Toyah and released his anger on her.
Being a nurse he may have used a scalpel.

 

[they'll get you]

My daughter lives for her dog and she said if she was in that situation then she would be most vulnerable because of her dog and she would do anything not to have her dog hurt as any ‘mother’ would.

Her thoughts were interesting as she considers her dog her baby and yes, that’s what mums do.

 

[Rocket333]

I don’t think Toyah tied the dog Indie to the tree, because he was tied so tight he couldn’t sit all night.

 

[Ampersandish]

Great pick-up!! Notice the gap between car 18 & 19 too. What sort of car is 19?

I believe Car 19 is a (est 2005?) Toyota Landcruiser. With aluminium bullbar and silver mags, and silver step rails.

It looks similar to the small bit of the vehicle we can see in the Real Estate advert. In bigger shots, they've obviously moved the vehicle out of the picture, but in this one, you can see a tiny portion of it parked on that house's driveway. Looks like same colour and silver step rails and mags.

Rocket333, what did you think was the significance in the gap between 18 and 19?

 

[Rocket333]

I've done a massively long post with lots of locational content comment, but it's awaiting moderator approval (not sure why, is it the size of it?) In the meantime, I found something in one of the real estate adverts about the car. One of the photos in the real estate adverts (looking along the verandah pic) shows a navy blue looks like a 4wd vehicle with side running boards, parked out the front. Almost the same as car #19 in the Police's 68 vehicle video. I know people talked about a white ute. Could this just be coincidence?

Navy blue or black? I’d expect a 4WD roof to be visible over the carport roof due to its height and the position of the photographer, but you can’t see it. Wonder if it’s a smaller car instead?

 

[Ampersandish]

Re the family house being on the market for a while.

1. Why did they initially put it on the market in at all (OP mentioned April)?
2. What were their intentions with living arrangements - were they going to buy another another house - in Innisfail?
3. Were they intending to buy something else in Australia even?
4. Or as far back as April, were they planning on moving back to India?
5. Were they going to move to Sydney with the sister? A house sale in Innisfail won't likely cover even a smidgen of a deposit in Sydney. What would make them want to move to Sydney?

The house has been on the market at least six months because comparatively, the size of the plants in the real estate for sale advert vs the size of the same plants on the 9news film clip have grown - alot. And there is hardly any furniture in the house at all. Had they already packed things up to move and was there a delay?

It seems to me there was a clear reason they were selling (but unsure what that reason is), and things became a bit more urgent reflected by the the big price drop in the house ($35k or 10%).

If you had a reasonably stable and good job as an ER, which is a much higher paying job than what you'd get in your country of origin, your young children were at school, why would you change all that?

It seems like something that happened to have to cause the house to be put up for sale in back April. That issue isn't clear.

 

[Ampersandish]

Navy blue or black? I’d expect a 4WD roof to be visible over the carport roof due to its height and the position of the photographer, but you can’t see it. Wonder if it’s a smaller car instead?

You can just see the roof in the original Real Estate photo. The telling feature I think is the side rails plus the colour. If you look at the 68 cars on the CCTV, there are no others with a side rail, same mags, in that colour except 19. But this vehicle could of course, be the real estate agent's car. Unlikely though.

 

[Rocket333]

I believe Car 19 is a (est 2005?) Toyota Landcruiser. With aluminium bullbar and silver mags, and silver step rails.

It looks similar to the small bit of the vehicle we can see in the Real Estate advert. In bigger shots, they've obviously moved the vehicle out of the picture, but in this one, you can see a tiny portion of it parked on that house's driveway. Looks like same colour and silver step rails and mags.

Rocket333, what did you think was the significance in the gap between 18 and 19?

Hmmmm if they moved it, it could be because it’s the real estates car. The thing with that house, in every shot of the front, there’s never a hint of a car. Also, the inside shots of the garage give the impression it’s never used to house a car. The inside shot of the back granny flat building has 2 Harley Davidson cushions on the couch. Made me wonder if he’s a bike rider. They however have 3 little kids so the chances are they have a family car for the family to commute in, even if only he drives. The height in the dark car out the front puzzles me as it seems too low for a 4WD. There’s a bundle of dark 4WDs/wagons parked in and around his hospital too. I was checking them out for a match with the car at the house and in the line-up. Cars aren’t my strength so any insight is very welcome here!!
Oh also, the pause between 18 & 19 caught my attention. I thought if someone was turning out of Wangetti onto the highway straight after committing murder, they’d need to wait for a gap in the traffic and they’d be hyper vigilant about being noticed. The pic is of house, line-up & hospital - food for thought.

 

[Rocket333]

You can just see the roof in the original Real Estate photo. The telling feature I think is the side rails plus the colour. If you look at the 68 cars on the CCTV, there are no others with a side rail, same mags, in that colour except 19. But this vehicle could of course, be the real estate agent's car. Unlikely though.

Note the hubcaps too. They look like a 5 pointed star. Might just be the hubcap of the model - again something I know zilch about.

 

[Ampersandish]

Hmmmm if they moved it, it could be because it’s the real estates car. The thing with that house, in every shot of the front, there’s never a hint of a car. Also, the inside shots of the garage give the impression it’s never used to house a car. The inside shot of the back granny flat building has 2 Harley Davidson cushions on the couch. Made me wonder if he’s a bike rider. They however have 3 little kids so the chances are they have a family car for the family to commute in, even if only he drives. The height in the dark car out the front puzzles me as it seems too low for a 4WD. There’s a bundle of dark 4WDs/wagons parked in and around his hospital too. I was checking them out for a match with the car at the house and in the line-up. Cars aren’t my strength so any insight is very welcome here!!
Oh also, the pause between 18 & 19 caught my attention. I thought if someone was turning out of Wangetti onto the highway straight after committing murder, they’d need to wait for a gap in the traffic and they’d be hyper vigilant about being noticed. The pic is of house, line-up & hospital - food for thought.

I feel like most Real Estate agents wouldn't park in the driveway - particularly if they've visited to take photos to sell it. I reckon it's not the agent's car, but they've started to photos and then had to move it. Seems there are two iterations of Real Estate pics then, because the sites I've looked at have hardley any furniture.

I didn't notice car 47, but it appears to have side rails and silver mags. The one at the hospital looks grey and different mags, but the quality of the police vid is not so great.

Definately re the gap in traffic and pulling out without being noticed....

 

[iailwa]

I’ve been thinking about whether there was a murder weapon and how that would figure into premeditation.
It is hard to tease apart the actual facts in this case without being swayed by SM rumour, unsubstantiated MSM reporting and general assumptions...there is so much that has been left unsaid that it is hard to know what really went on at that deserted beach in the middle of a Sunday afternoon.
Confirmed by police and family comments:
“Visible and violent injuries” - to me, this could include strangulation and bruising... and possibly NO weapon at all used in the attack.
If RS is the same “Indian-looking guy”, naked and acting provocative on remote Nth Qld beaches mentioned in some SM accounts...well it is hard to reconcile a knife figuring in to his MO.
As it is Australia and the guy is a nurse that lives in at a suburban residential address, the odds he owned a gun would be <0.01%... if he had a knife with him, it would not be a knife carried with the idea of self-defence and the idea of premeditaion is way easier to imagine if he was armed with any kind of weapon on a beach (not fishing, not picnicking for eg). A knife just does not fit with a guy with some kind of weird mastubatory perversion trawling beaches...I think if he was armed he is much, much worse than a pervert that snapped...he is some kind of preditory amimal that is and probably has always been a danger to society.

Maybe - cause he spends days at secluded beaches he has a knife with him - he's gotta eat. Maybe he kinda camps out from his car? has a few supplies?