Australia - Toyah Cordingley, 24, body found on beach, 22 October 2018 #3

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Jury so far split in murder trial, note reveals​

After less than three hours deliberating, the jury is so far split in their verdict, a note to the judge has revealed.

“After many hours of discussion we are split between guilty and not guilty. How should we proceed?” the note, read by Justice James Henry, said.

Justice Henry said that two and a half hours of discussion was not long.

“It is less than the time it took for me to sum up the case,” he said.

“There are various issues to be discussed.

“This may take time and patience.”

In answer to their question, Justice Henry said they should continue to deliberate. “

 
  • #842

Jury so far split in murder trial, note reveals​

After less than three hours deliberating, the jury is so far split in their verdict, a note to the judge has revealed.

“After many hours of discussion we are split between guilty and not guilty. How should we proceed?” the note, read by Justice James Henry, said.

Justice Henry said that two and a half hours of discussion was not long.

“It is less than the time it took for me to sum up the case,” he said.

“There are various issues to be discussed.

“This may take time and patience.”

In answer to their question, Justice Henry said they should continue to deliberate. “

Wow I agree with the judge, that's not long at all
 
  • #843

Jury so far split in murder trial, note reveals​

After less than three hours deliberating, the jury is so far split in their verdict, a note to the judge has revealed.

“After many hours of discussion we are split between guilty and not guilty. How should we proceed?” the note, read by Justice James Henry, said.

Justice Henry said that two and a half hours of discussion was not long.

“It is less than the time it took for me to sum up the case,” he said.

“There are various issues to be discussed.

“This may take time and patience.”

In answer to their question, Justice Henry said they should continue to deliberate. “

Doesn't sound like they are an invested jury?

Thinking of the family & friends
 
  • #844
My thoughts to Toyah's family and friends.

I hope justice is served.
 
  • #845
And so it continues through to Monday….

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  • #846
Wow I agree with the judge, that's not long at all
Agree
That is not long enough to go through all the information they were asked to consider. Maybe they thought they could get out of it and go home and have a retrial. It can and should take at least 2 full days.
 
  • #847
Doesn't sound like they are an invested jury?

Thinking of the family & friends
This is horrific for the family. Six years of unimaginable grief and now having it all laid out, debated and dissected with Singh in the same room playing the victim, and the jury can’t sort themselves out. :mad:

“Toyah’s parents Troy Cordingley and Vanessa Gardiner left the courtroom as Mr Edwards launched his impassioned final defence for Rajwinder Singh.”

 
  • #848
This jury is going to kick themselves when they find out later that Singh confessed to this crime to Indian police.

Let's hope they knuckle down and examine the facts carefully.

imo
 
  • #849

Jury so far split in murder trial, note reveals​

After less than three hours deliberating, the jury is so far split in their verdict, a note to the judge has revealed.

“After many hours of discussion we are split between guilty and not guilty. How should we proceed?” the note, read by Justice James Henry, said.

Justice Henry said that two and a half hours of discussion was not long.

“It is less than the time it took for me to sum up the case,” he said.

“There are various issues to be discussed.

“This may take time and patience.”

In answer to their question, Justice Henry said they should continue to deliberate. “

Wow! The jury was ready to quit less than 3 hours in?! This does not bode well for justice.
 
  • #850
All juries are different. But from my experience, we took all the information we were asked by the judge to examined, that too hours and hours to discuss. Only after we had done our due diligence did we ask for votes. Facts discussed first, votes not until much discussion. My experience only. Once on a murder trial, twice on fraud charges and once on drug charges,
 
  • #851
Jury has more questions ……


The jury has sent a note to Justice James Henry containing two sets of questions surrounding the investigations into two of the alternative possibilities presented by the defence, Marco Heidenreich and Evan McCrea. They read:

Question 1: In relation to Marco Heidenreich, how many days after the murder was his car taken and analysed by police? The three dots on the outside of the car, was that determined to be blood? If yes, what was the reason given by police to not run a DNA test to determine the source of the blood? Can we have a transcript of Amanda Milligan’s evidence?

Question 2: DNA swab sample Evan McCrae = 340 supporting conclusion. There is some debate about the strength and validity of this result. Can we have all Q and A from the DNA experts in regards to this result? Can we get the transcript of both Parry and Patel?


 
  • #852
I am more wondering why his confession in India hasn't (presumably, or that I have read) been introduced by the Prosecution. I am guessing it was excluded from evidence by the judge for some reason. Maybe they feel it was coerced by the Indian police? IDK
Good point about the possible coercion …

I can’t understand why the prosecution didn’t call local investigators to give evidence if this is true?

Indian media has reported Singh allegedly told local investigators he stabbed Cordingley on Wangetti Beach, north of Cairns, after an argument over her dog barking at him.

Did Indian media get it wrong??? Or perhaps, if there is mistrial and new trial (in the event of a hung jury) will the prosecution introduce that evidence later??? Rather a risk not to have introduced it this time if they have it, IMO. But as you said SA perhaps it was excluded from evidence for some reason????

from this article:
 
  • #853
Hanging out at a northern, secluded beach. Avoiding work, the wife, the kids. Possibly naked and in the tree line. Dog annoys him and his behaviour escalates towards the dog and then her. Dog persists and they fight and the dog gets tied too tightly to the tree. He’s already stressed out and at breaking point and he loses control. It turns violent. He then washes off in the sea and puts his clothes back on. He takes her bag, clothes and phone and leaves. He drives towards Cairns, past the Clifton Beach servo and takes a right at Caravonica. The cctv at the general store on the corner of Impey Street and Lake Placid Road captures him. Her phone is tracking in his car. He needs to get rid of her things. He pulls up at Lake Placid and her phone stops tracking. He leaves and drives home to Innisfail. He buys a one way ticket to India. The next day he flies to his sister’s home in Sydney and from there flies to India. Soon after his father follows. He never goes to the police. He never contacts his wife and three little kids again. He hides out in India and is untraceable. Years later he gets caught. He tells a tale of being at the beach and watching the attack by masked people and running terrified for his life. He wants to return to Australia but doesn’t explain why he was at the beach, and what he did and saw there. He doesn’t have to explain anything, including how easily he abandoned his wife and children. She provoked him. Just like his wife, mother and boss. He snapped and fled. Guilty as Sin gh.

That’s my opinion and summation. Not Marco, not the other fellow or the foot dude. Just him. May the jury bring this home for the family.

IMOJMO etc
 
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  • #855
Jury discharged. Jury in trial of man accused of murdering Toyah Cordingley discharged

Justice Henry adjourned the case for a mention hearing next Wednesday to set a date for a retrial, with the parties given until the end of the week to notify the court of their available dates.
I'm not surprised by this. I think the biggest downfall in this case is the stick dna having the highest probability of being the accused. And having Evan McCreas DNA possibly on th victim too
 
  • #856
Hanging out at a northern, secluded beach. Avoiding work, the wife, the kids. Possibly naked and in the tree line. Dog annoys him and his behaviour escalates towards the dog and then her. Dog persists and they fight and the dog gets tied too tightly to the tree. He’s already stressed out and at breaking point and he loses control. It turns violent. He then washes off in the sea and puts his clothes back on. He takes her bag, clothes and phone and leaves. He drives towards Cairns, past the Clifton Beach servo and takes a right at Caravonica. The cctv at the general store on the corner of Impey Street and Lake Placid Road captures him. Her phone is tracking in his car. He needs to get rid of her things. He pulls up at Lake Placid and her phone stops tracking. He leaves and drives home to Innisfail. He buys a one way ticket to India. The next day he flies to his sister’s home in Sydney and from there flies to India. Soon after his father follows. He never goes to the police. He never contacts his wife and three little kids again. He hides out in India and is untraceable. Years later he gets caught. He tells a tale of being at the beach and watching the attack by masked people and running terrified for his life. He wants to return to Australia but doesn’t explain why he was at the beach, and what he did and saw there. He doesn’t have to explain anything, including how easily he abandoned his wife and children. She provoked him. Jus
I'm not surprised by this. I think the biggest downfall in this case is the stick dna having the highest probability of being the accused. And having Evan McCreas DNA possibly on th victim too
t like his wife, mother and boss. He snapped and fled. Guilty as Sin gh.

That’s my opinion and summation. Not Marco, not the other fellow or the foot dude. Just him. May the jury bring this home for the family.

IMOJMO etc

And it was wishy washy about the DNA under her fingernails. That's the big one for me.
 
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  • #858
And it was wishy washy about the DNA under her fingernails. That's the big one for me.

Fully agree.

The third day of his pre-trial hearing concluded before Justice Jim Henry on Monday at the Supreme Court in Cairns.

On the final day, Forensic Science Queensland senior scientist Rhys Parry told the court that the DNA of two people — Ms Cordingley and an unknown person — was found on the young woman's fingernail clippings.

Mr Parry told defence barrister Angus Edwards KC that Mr Singh was "excluded" as a contributor to that DNA sample.

"But there was the presence of somebody else's DNA under fingernails other than Rajwinder Singh?" Mr Edwards asked.

"Yes," Mr Parry replied.”


 
  • #859
Mr Parry told defence barrister Angus Edwards KC that Mr Singh was "excluded" as a contributor to that DNA sample.

"But there was the presence of somebody else's DNA under fingernails other than Rajwinder Singh?" Mr Edwards asked.

"Yes," Mr Parry replied.”


I haven't seen this previously. MOO I think they will be hard pressed to secure a conviction given this info
 
  • #860
Toyah Cordingley.

 

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