Australia Australia - Tumbulgum, NSW, Male 50-70, Tweed River in sleeping bag, Nov'12

[Bohemian]

Hikers and joggers use garments made of merino wool in summer too because of the excellent insulating and regulating qualities:
http://shop.ibex.com/the-art-of-wool/why-merino-wool-in-the-summer
These garments are expensive!

On a different continent, the liner for a sleeping bag plus the woollen underwear would not have put him out of place as a pilgrim on the Camino de Santiago in Northern Spain.

And they can be worn for a longer period between washes, if need be.

http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Travel-Underwear-Reviews
Travel clothing companies have addressed this issue by using special fabrics or anti-bacterial coatings. The keratin protein structure of merino wool is naturally resistant to bacteria. The wool of these soft sheep barely absorbs odors and clothing made from it, like the Smartwool and Icebreaker offerings, can last a long time between washes without getting stinky.

Thanks for the information. I rarely go hardcore hiking or sleeping in the outdoors anymore (damned dicky knees). Should we be looking closely at men from Europe, North America or NZ, who were travelling when they went missing? The police seem to have assumed he was a 'hippie' or Hare Krishna. Could he have been a backpacker? Also, contrary to popular belief, older people do stay in backpacker's/hostels; not just 20-somethings.

 

[ZaZara]

Thanks for the information. I rarely go hardcore hiking or sleeping in the outdoors anymore (damned dicky knees). Should we be looking closely at men from Europe, North America or NZ, who were travelling when they went missing? The police seem to have assumed he was a 'hippie' or Hare Krishna. Could he have been a backpacker? Also, contrary to popular belief, older people do stay in backpacker's/hostels; not just 20-somethings.

I know nothing about Australia, but the age group 50 -70 is very common on the Caminos towards Santiago in Spain.
There he might sleep in albergues ~ pilgrim's hostels, or if the season allowed it, in a simple tent or under a tarp.

If he was a backpacker who travelled lightly, he might not have shaved, or shaved irregularly. It would be interesting to know it this man had a beard. Towards the end of his pilgrimage, he may well have looked like a hippie even if he had been a conservative cost accountant all his life.

 

[Wolfinator]

Thanks for the information. I rarely go hardcore hiking or sleeping in the outdoors anymore (damned dicky knees). Should we be looking closely at men from Europe, North America or NZ, who were travelling when they went missing? The police seem to have assumed he was a 'hippie' or Hare Krishna. Could he have been a backpacker? Also, contrary to popular belief, older people do stay in backpacker's/hostels; not just 20-somethings.

Absolutely - I'm taking the cue from what we learnt through "Karlie and Kandalyce" - we need a wide net.

It's needle and haystack stuff but I think our strongest filtering criteria needs to be under 170cm and over 50? Thoughts?



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[Bohemian]

Absolutely - I'm taking the cue from what we learnt through "Karlie and Kandalyce" - we need a wide net.

It's needle and haystack stuff but I think our strongest filtering criteria needs to be under 170cm and over 50? Thoughts?



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Definitely, Wolfie. We could confine our search to anywhere in the world people are described as 'Caucasian'.

I think those filters are excellent starting points.

 

[Bohemian]

I know nothing about Australia, but the age group 50 -70 is very common on the Caminos towards Santiago in Spain.
There he might sleep in albergues ~ pilgrim's hostels, or if the season allowed it, in a simple tent or under a tarp.

If he was a backpacker who travelled lightly, he might not have shaved, or shaved irregularly. It would be interesting to know it this man had a beard. Towards the end of his pilgrimage, he may well have looked like a hippie even if he had been a conservative cost accountant all his life.

Do you know th Spanish language, ZaZara? If you do that would be helpful to search for men from Spanish-speaking countries who went missing whilst travelling.

Police didn't mention whether or not he was clean-shaven or had a beard. I think they took one look at the colour of his underwear, his ponytail and the Indian cotton 'bag' and assumed he was a 'hippie' or Hare Krishna. They're are a lot of alternative lifestyle tribes up on the coastal NSW-Queensland border.

 

[symbah]

Absolutely - I'm taking the cue from what we learnt through "Karlie and Kandalyce" - we need a wide net.

It's needle and haystack stuff but I think our strongest filtering criteria needs to be under 170cm and over 50? Thoughts?





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Oh no, a terrible thought, I hope this isn't another case of stolen identity like what happened with Karlie & Khandalyce! Just that his belongings haven't turned up, his teeth/dentures are missing & police have stated that nobody has reported him as a missing person.

 

[Strangeworld]

Now this is interesting.....

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...p/news-story/70f7ed6d050881b17508a57702fc36b2

Burnt body found at Tweed, cops appeal for help

A MURDER investigation is under way after the charred remains of a woman’s body was found after a fire near Tumbulgum this morning.

 

[symbah]

Now this is interesting.....

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...p/news-story/70f7ed6d050881b17508a57702fc36b2

Burnt body found at Tweed, cops appeal for help

A MURDER investigation is under way after the charred remains of a woman’s body was found after a fire near Tumbulgum this morning.

http://www.ripleytoday.com.au/news/police-find-burnt-body-woman/3079004/
POLICE have found the charred remains of a woman after a fire near Tumbulgum, south of the Gold Coast, this morning.
reports the side of a road in a paddock about 7.30am when emergency services were called to Pollards Road, Dulguigan, after reports of a fire.

WTH is going on in sleepy Tumbulgum? 7.30am????

 

[Wolfinator]

http://www.ripleytoday.com.au/news/police-find-burnt-body-woman/3079004/
POLICE have found the charred remains of a woman after a fire near Tumbulgum, south of the Gold Coast, this morning.
reports the side of a road in a paddock about 7.30am when emergency services were called to Pollards Road, Dulguigan, after reports of a fire.

WTH is going on in sleepy Tumbulgum? 7.30am????

Lots and lots of drugs ... The hippie veneer covers a very dark underside.


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[Strangeworld]

It may be horses and zebras lol but I can't help but consider the timing to the recent police media release.

 

[ZaZara]

Do you know th Spanish language, ZaZara? If you do that would be helpful to search for men from Spanish-speaking countries who went missing whilst travelling.

Police didn't mention whether or not he was clean-shaven or had a beard. I think they took one look at the colour of his underwear, his ponytail and the Indian cotton 'bag' and assumed he was a 'hippie' or Hare Krishna. They're are a lot of alternative lifestyle tribes up on the coastal NSW-Queensland border.

There are many Australians on the caminos in Spain too!

The quality of the underwear is very good. Just look at these fine cross stitches for instance.
The faded label indicates that the item was worn often and kept very well. There is no stitch out of place.
All I can read are the washing instructions. They look like washing instructions for wool to me. I bet he followed them to the letter.
It is a pity that the brand name can no longer be read. A better picture may help.

I wonder if LE investigated the underwear? Did they find out who made it, sold it and when? This might give you an insight in where the man came from.

I'd request help, asking if anyone can identify the underwear, on the hiking and outdoor forums, beginning with Australia and New Zealand.


BTW If the man knew how to keep his clothes, he may even have made the bag himself.

 

[Bohemian]

Now this is interesting.....

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...p/news-story/70f7ed6d050881b17508a57702fc36b2

Burnt body found at Tweed, cops appeal for help

A MURDER investigation is under way after the charred remains of a woman’s body was found after a fire near Tumbulgum this morning.

http://www.ripleytoday.com.au/news/police-find-burnt-body-woman/3079004/
POLICE have found the charred remains of a woman after a fire near Tumbulgum, south of the Gold Coast, this morning.
reports the side of a road in a paddock about 7.30am when emergency services were called to Pollards Road, Dulguigan, after reports of a fire.

WTH is going on in sleepy Tumbulgum? 7.30am????

Lots and lots of drugs ... The hippie veneer covers a very dark underside.


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It may be horses and zebras lol but I can't help but consider the timing to the recent police media release.

I made a thread for the UID woman here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Paddock-18-Aug-2016&p=12755873#post12755873

 

[Bohemian]

There are many Australians on the caminos in Spain too!

The quality of the underwear is very good. Just look at these fine cross stitches for instance.
The faded label indicates that the item was worn often and kept very well. There is no stitch out of place.
All I can read are the washing instructions. They look like washing instructions for wool to me. I bet he followed them to the letter.
It is a pity that the brand name can no longer be read. A better picture may help.

I wonder if LE investigated the underwear? Did they find out who made it, sold it and when? This might give you an insight in where the man came from.

I'd request help, asking if anyone can identify the underwear, on the hiking and outdoor forums, beginning with Australia and New Zealand.


BTW If the man knew how to keep his clothes, he may even have made the bag himself.

Yes ZaZara, I'm sure there are; given the beautiful weather.

As for Tumbulgum Man's underwear, it does seem of excellent quality. That sort of attention to detail is often seen in high end garments rather than those that are mass manufactured for run of the mill stores. They do look well looked after. Police seem to have jumped to the conclusion that the man was itinerant (ie, a politically correct term for 'homeless') but I don't think this is necessarily so. As I said, he may have been an adventurer or backpacker travelling around Australia.

All I know about the results of the investigation so far is that police don't know where or how Tumbulgum Man entered the river and that they've been unsuccssful in identifying him via his DNA and/or fingerprints. They have said they think the material that his 'bag' was made from may be the key to his identity.

Great idea regarding hiking and outdoor adventure forums!

 

[Bohemian]

Oh no, a terrible thought, I hope this isn't another case of stolen identity like what happened with Karlie & Khandalyce! Just that his belongings haven't turned up, his teeth/dentures are missing & police have stated that nobody has reported him as a missing person.

Yes symbah, I must admit that thought crossed my mind too.

 

[Wolfinator]

Yes symbah, I must admit that thought crossed my mind too.

Someone, somewhere could definitely still be cashing in a pension. Even if the death was by natural causes.

Perhaps a review and identity check of all 50 plus males in a 50km radius collecting benefits?

With a cross reference to Dept. of Transport with males under 170cm prioritised?


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[Wolfinator]

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[ZaZara]

Someone on the Police FB claimed to identify the fabric of the bag:
https://www.facebook.com/nswpolicef...18519706184/10151497455801185/?type=3&theater

Janette Johnston I have some of that material....bought it on sale at Spotlight Browns Plains Brisbane about 3 years ago.
2 juni 2013 at 22:01

Brisbane is not that far away, but Spotlight has stores all over Australia.

 

[Bohemian]

Someone on the Police FB claimed to identify the fabric of the bag:
https://www.facebook.com/nswpolicef...18519706184/10151497455801185/?type=3&theater



Brisbane is not that far away, but Spotlight has stores all over Australia.

Thanks ZaZara. I had a look the comment but it was posted on 3 June 2013. Surely police have followed the Spotlight lead up or they wouldn't still be asking for assistance to identify the fabric?

 

[Bohemian]

Someone, somewhere could definitely still be cashing in a pension. Even if the death was by natural causes.

Perhaps a review and identity check of all 50 plus males in a 50km radius collecting benefits?

With a cross reference to Dept. of Transport with males under 170cm prioritised?


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I wonder if police have searched metadata collected by Federal and State authorities to try to narrow down the field of possibilities.

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Sidebar:

With the amount and types of metadata the goverment is said to collect and store on each and every one of us, I sometimes wonder if a public servant somewhere does know the colour, brand and condition of the undies I'm wearing each day :silly:

 

[Wolfinator]

I wonder if police have searched metadata collected by Federal and State authorities to try to narrow down the field of possibilities.

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Sidebar:

With the amount and types of metadata the goverment is said to collect and store on each and every one of us, I sometimes wonder if a public servant somewhere does know the colour, brand and condition of the undies I'm wearing each day :silly:

Hahaha!!!

But in all seriousness - What would they look for in the meta data? Im bit unsure how searching habits and ip addresses could connect this one?


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