US threatens to annex Greenland - 2025/2026

[Aurora90]

Yes, I agree. The NY Times says that Miller spoke with Trump almost every day in the four years between his two presidencies.

Stephen Miller Offers a Strongman’s View of the World

President Trump’s trusted adviser is casting his hard-right gaze abroad, saying the world must be governed by “force.”

www.nytimes.com

I don’t mean to fear monger, but if this is the person that was in Trump’s ear almost every day for the four years in between his presidencies, I’m worried we’re screwed.

 

[Cedars]

I'd venture to suggest that Trump's obsession with Greenland shows a lack of ambition and strategic thinking.

The Islamic regime in Iran is tottering and it probably wouldn't take much to bring it down, turning Iran from a hostile Islamic fundamentalist state to a friendly secular one and helping to stabilise much of the situation in the Middle East.

Take out Iran and Russia loses a significant supply of weapons, particularly drones. Putin has already lost two key allies in Syria and Venezuela. The loss of a third might just tip the balance in Russia.

Take out Iran and China loses a second source of sanctioned oil which its economy and military need, significantly weakening it on both counts.

Weaken China and North Korea is essentially hamstrung.

What is going on at the moment is a rare opportunity to completely neutralise the current grouping of hostile players, which would be worth a hell of a lot more than a few mines.

But, IMO, the only questions that matter are
1. Can the US directly and instantly make money from it? Resorts, oil, critical minerals? There must be vast wealth flowing into the US economy, allowing tax cuts.
2. will it stop evil people from killing young Americans with fentanyl?
3. Will it result in a Nobel Prize?

JMO

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I don’t know why, but I get the impression they actually don’t want peace in the Middle East…

Iran has been fostering trouble in the Middle East for decades by financing groups like Hezbollah and Hamas in the Levant and the Houthis in Yemen. It's down to a Shia versus Sunni thing. However, the Iranian regime is very much out of touch with the Iranian people, especially the younger generations, who have been quietly moving away from Islam and becoming much more secular.

 

[Hexe]

Trump says US will act on Greenland 'whether they like it or not'

Donald Trump told reporters that if the US does not acquire Greenland, Russia or China will take over it.

www.yahoo.com

ITV News

Trump says US will act on Greenland 'whether they like it or not'​

So, goodbye NATO, hello WW3. Peachy.

 

[Cedars]

So, goodbye NATO, hello WW3. Peachy.

I don't believe Trump's claim about China/Russia having any desire to acquire Greenland. I very much doubt either world power would start a war with the US over Greenland.

JMO

 

[Hexe]

I don't believe Trump's claim about China/Russia having any desire to acquire Greenland. I very much doubt either world power would start a war with the US over Greenland.

JMO

I do not think the rest of the NATO will be sitting on their butts and twiddling their thumbs when the US annexes the land formally belonging to one of them. None of these cpuntries has any interest in letting the US do that.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

MSN

AP The Associated Press

Greenland's party leaders firmly reject Trump's push for US control of the island​

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I don't believe Trump's claim about China/Russia having any desire to acquire Greenland. I very much doubt either world power would start a war with the US over Greenland.

JMO

I'm not so sure about neither country having the desire to do so, but whether or not they would make a blatant bid is another matter.

Would Russia like to station missiles and nukes much closer to major US cities? Very likely if it could be achieved, and if there's one thing Europe has been finding out about Russia in recent years it's just how covert and constant their sabotage against other countries is. The number of undersea data cables damaged in the Baltic Sea is evidence of that. It would be entirely within the mindset of Putin to seek to covertly establish small bases on Greenland for spying and infiltration purposes.

China? China depends on global trade to effectively bleed the West dry and destroy local economic capabilities elsewhere. For trade it is dependent on being able to get its goods to their end markets and currently that involves passage through the Panama and Suez canals or around either the Cape of Good Hope or Cape Horn. The two canals could be closed to their trade, leaving only two much longer (and more expensive) routes, and in the case of Cape Horn one of the most dangerous stretches of ocean on the planet. Opening up and controlling a fifth route via the north pole would therefore be beneficial to them.

In terms of Greenland's mineral wealth: it doesn't need to be mined to be of strategic importance so long as you prevent the other bugger from being able to do so.

 

[Cedars]

I do not think the rest of the NATO will be sitting on their butts and twiddling their thumbs when the US annexes the land formally belonging to one of them. None of these cpuntries has any interest in letting the US do that.

I agree, they don't want to let the US do it. Just like they didn't want to let Russia invade Eastern Ukraine, or let Trump impose tariffs that undermine their economies.

Just like I don't want to let it rain on my parade.

JMO

 

[Mo Thuairim]

'We will not be Americans', says Greenland's parliament after Trump threat

All five political parties in Greenland's parliament have issued a rare joint statement rejecting US President Donald Trump's threats to take control of the Arctic island.

"We will not be Americans, we will not be Danes, we are Greenlanders," the leaders declared in a statement released last night.

The five party leaders, including Prime Minister Jens Frederik Nielsen, said they "strongly oppose" any US takeover of Greenland and condemned recent American statements as "extremely disrespectful".

"No other country can meddle in this. We must decide our country's future ourselves - without pressure to make a hasty decision, without procrastination, and without interference from other countries," they said.

The unity is particularly significant as it includes Pele Broberg, the leader of opposition party Naleraq, which has been the most open to closer ties with Washington.

Just days ago, Mr Broberg called for Greenland to bypass Denmark and negotiate directly with the US.

The statement emphasises that Greenland's future "must be decided by the Greenlandic people themselves" and calls for respect for "international law and the right to self-determination"...

'We will not be Americans', Greenland parties tell Trump

All five political parties in Greenland's parliament have issued a rare joint statement rejecting US President Donald Trump's threats to take control of the Arctic island.

www.rte.ie

 

[meanmaryjean]

But, IMO, the only questions that matter are
1. Can the US directly and instantly make money from it? Resorts, oil, critical minerals? There must be vast wealth flowing into the US economy, allowing tax cuts.
2. will it stop evil people from killing young Americans with fentanyl?
3. Will it result in a Nobel Prize?

JMO

I would tweak #1 - Can the oligarchs directly and instantly make money......wealth flowing into oligarchs hands" (and Trump's personally of course). Because none of this is about what is good for the US obviously.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I agree, they don't want to let the US do it. Just like they didn't want to let Russia invade Eastern Ukraine, or let Trump impose tariffs that undermine their economies.

Just like I don't want to let it rain on my parade.

JMO

The US mothballed all of its Greenland bases at the end of the Cold War. If the issue really was one of security then it could or should open up negotiations with Denmark to re-open some of those bases. That doesn't require a transfer of sovereignty.

Unfortunately almost all of the NATO countries have been stupidly complacent over defence since the end of the Cold War and it has left them very vulnerable now to Putin's Russia. It's understandable that the US has been increasingly exasperated with them.

 

[Hexe]

I agree, they don't want to let the US do it. Just like they didn't want to let Russia invade Eastern Ukraine,

Ukraine is not a NATO member, mind you. Denmark is.

ETA: American stance towards Putin is a big part of the NATO reaction towards the Russian invasion on Ukraine. Do not forget that.

or let Trump impose tariffs that undermine their economies.

Unlike Trump we respect the sovereignity of other countries, so he is free to impose in his own country whatever tariffs he fancies. Also, Trump's tariffs undermine mostly American economy.

Just like I don't want to let it rain on my parade.

JMO

Trump, and with him many Americans, grossly overestimate the power America has in the world. They might be going for one very unpleasant reality call.

MOO, of course.

 

[TwoBlueJays]

I don't believe Trump's claim about China/Russia having any desire to acquire Greenland. I very much doubt either world power would start a war with the US over Greenland.

JMO

You wouldn't have thought WW1 would have started over an archduke but it did.

 

[Eli9]

Greenland is Europe’s strategic blind spot—and its responsibility

If Europe wants to ensure that no one can do to Greenland what the United States did in Venezuela, then it must stop relying on rules alone.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

A Europe that treats Greenland as central to its own security, rather than as a liability to be explained away, can shift the Trump administration’s fixation on acquiring Greenland toward cooperating on Greenland’s security.

Greenland is not for sale. But neither should it be left exposed to a power vacuum. If Europe wants to ensure that no one can do to Greenland what the United States did in Venezuela, then it must stop relying on rules alone and start building the strategic reality that makes coercion unthinkable.

 

[Cryptic]

That might work. The party leader Jens-Friederik Nielsen wants more business to finance Greenland's welfare, and Trump is likely to use this angle to achieve his goals. I don't believe the citizens want this, but I can see how he could persuade their government.

I know that the Greenlanders really want.

The Greenlanders clearly stated that what they want is the ability to control their own future as Greenlanders.

This would mean deciding their future on their own, not want Trump wants, not what other people expect them to want

 

[Cedars]

You wouldn't have thought WW1 would have started over an archduke but it did.

IMO, those were the days of a crotchetly old Austrian Emperor, uncle of the archduke.

These are the days of professional bureacrats and policy wonks, whose sabres consist of UN resolutions.

Everyone will just stall and wait for next US election cycle.

 

[Hexe]

IMO, those were the days of a crotchetly old Austrian Emperor, uncle of the archduke.

Austria did not ignite the world war singlehandedly. And in 1914 old Franz Josef was already heavily ill with dementia, while Austria was run by professional bureaucrats.

These are the days of professional bureacrats and policy wonks, whose sabres consist of UN resolutions.

Everyone will just stall and wait for next US election cycle.

At this point most of the world is deeply afraid the next election cycle won't happen.

 

[Inthedetails]

At this point most of the world is deeply afraid the next election cycle won't happen.

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From summer 2024, bbm:

Trump also urged Christians to turn out for him ahead of Election Day, calling it the "most important election ever." He added that if elected, Christian-related concerns will be "fixed" so much so that they would no longer need to be politically engaged.

"You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians," he said.

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/27/nx-s1-5054272/trump-christian-wont-vote-anymore-speech

 

[otto]

There's a new route on the Arctic Shipping Lane map: the Seabridge Route, connecting the Hudson Bay to Russia.

Why does the US want Greenland?

1. "Greenland is primarily important to the Americans for its raw materials ... uranium, only found in the ground in a few countries ... critical raw materials important for the production of military goods
...

"Because countries can use rare earth metals as leverage during conflicts, Europe wants to be able to take care of itself."
...

Denmark and Greenland aren't opposed to American mining ... want prior agreements to ensure it's done safely and to prevent Greenland residents from becoming ill.

2. ... shipping routes between different continents.

3. "How big do you want to appear on the world map?'" With the addition of Greenland, the US would gain 2,166,000 square kilometers.

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In vijf vragen en antwoorden leggen we uit of het de Amerikanen echt om de strategische ligging van het eiland gaat of dat de grondstoffen die daar zijn een grotere rol spelen.

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