Australia- Two sisters in their 20s found dead inside Sydney unit had been there lengthy time, Suspicious deaths, June 2022

[SouthAussie]

Since they were on a low floor (first?), have LE talked to anyone who lived or worked in a building across the street from their balconies? Other people who would have been at the same height/floor as the apartment? Someone who may have been routinely facing their location because of how their desk or room was situated? Would they have noticed anything different or strange?

MOO.

From Google streetview, it looks like there is one low rise building across the street. With windows that appear to face the lower floors of the girls apartment building.

This is the Google view that you can swivel around and see what is at first floor level ... Google streetview

 

[Fika]

I suppose 'tampered with' could mean many things.

For example does it mean their food delivery was left on the doorstep and someone subsequently tore open the packaging? Does it mean they thought someone had stolen part of a delivery or that the delivery person hadn't brought all of it? Does it mean they either believed or experienced that whoever prepared or packed the food did something weird with it? Mixed up orders or sent the wrong stuff or included an inappropriate item or a note or something. Could mean a LOT of things.

To me tampered with foodmeans deliberately doing something to the food package if it was mixed order or missed item in delivery I wouldn’t have called it tampered with? Im not native English speaker so that’s how I understand tampering with something meaning.
I got wrong orders many times, forgotten items or too many items but I wouldn’t have called it tampered with. Imo

 

[Dotta]

Canterbury apartment where Alsehli Saudi sisters found dead listed by real estate for $520 a week | Daily Mail Online
* Their two-bedroom Canterbury apartment has now gone back on the market
* Photos of the bedrooms where they died were notably absent from the listing
* Property agent Jay Hu said the $40-a-week price increase reflected renovations
* He said the bedrooms, where they were found, were renovated due to the 'smell'

The ad also notes the unit was recently renovated and features 'balconies that enhance 'airflow'.

Property manager Jay Hu said renovations, including slapping a new coat of paint on the walls and ripping up the carpet to replace them with floorboards, were carried out in both bedrooms due to the odour.

'There was a lot of liquid and smell,' Mr Hu told The Daily Telegraph.

Mr Hu said the rental increase reflected the work done to the unit in the wake of the women's deaths.

According to the online listing, the 'nearly brand new apartment ensures a life of seamless luxurious comfort'.

'Newly installed hybrid timber flooring for both bedrooms,' the ad reads.

'Relaxation with luxurious open-plan living spaces and spacious balconies enhances light and airflow.'

Police believe the women, who were found in separate bedrooms, may have been dead for a month before officers discovered their decomposing bodies.

Detectives were called to the scene by the sheriff, who made the grisly find after turning up to the property to serve the pair with an eviction notice after they had failed to pay rent for weeks.

I really can't imagine living in an apartment where somebody was murdered/committed suicide and the corpses were lying for a month.
Changing the floor sounds macabre to me.

I would not sleep a wink.

But, I guess for the landlord "business is business" and maybe somebody unaware will rent this place.

MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A document from the NCAT NSW Civil & Administrative Tribunal obtained by news.com.au shows Asra and Amaal were behind in their rental payments by $5142.86 as of May 13.

That equates to more than 10 weeks of missed rent for their $480 two bedroom apartment.

The sisters also had $26.18 in outstanding water charges.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/new-details-emerge-about-the-living-situation-of-saudi-sisters-weeks-before-their-deaths/news-story/870249a3043033faa633b700641f4c0b

READ THE EVICTION LETTER:​

On 13-May-2022 the following orders were made:
The Residential Tenancy Agreement is terminated immediately and possession is to be given to the landlord on the date of termination.

The order for possession is suspended until 20-May-2022

The tenant shall pay the landlord a daily occupation fee at the rate of $68.57 per day from the day after the date of termination, namely 14-May-2022 until the date vacant possession is given to the landlord.

Within 60 days of the date for possession of the premises specified in these orders the landlord may request the relisting of the application to determine the amount of the occupation fee owing.

The landlord's agent is to advise the tenant in writing by the delivery of a letter to the premises by 6:00 pm on 13-May-2022 of the orders made today.

The tenant is to pay the landlord the sum of $5,169.04 immediately. Failure to pay any instalment in this order by the due date will result in the whole of the balance being payable immediately.

The tenant has not appeared before the Tribunal in the hearing [on May 13]...

Read the last letter Saudi sisters got before their bodies were found

Tribunal documents show that Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal Abdullah Alsehli, 23, racked up a $5,142.86 debt by May 13 - almost a month before their bodies were found, on June 7.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[UnDiluted7]

I really can't imagine living in an apartment where somebody was murdered/committed suicide and the corpses were lying for a month.
Changing the floor sounds macabre to me.

I would not sleep a wink.

But, I guess for the landlord "business is business" and maybe somebody unaware will rent this place.

MOO

That's the Sydney rental market for you. There's such a short supply and prices are rising astronomically.

 

[Charlot123]

Delivery tampering not uncommon, imo.

What to Do if Deliveries Look Tampered With – Brilliance Security Magazine

brilliancesecuritymagazine.com

''Aside from just general mail or packages, there’s also evidence that supports the idea that food delivery drivers will sometimes steal from your order. One in four delivery drivers has admitted to tampering with food during their delivery route. As more people use online food delivery apps, restaurants and convenience stores should use tamper-evident packaging to ensure their products are being delivered safely.

Whether it’s food coming to your door or a package ordered from Amazon, these are some steps to follow if you believe that your deliveries were opened:

If you see anyone besides a postal worker near your mailbox, call the police immediately.

1. Maintain any evidence of tampered envelopes or packages and bring them to your local post office — they will typically instruct you on the next steps.
2. Alert your neighbors and landlord if you believe your mail has been tampered with.
3. Visit your local police station and explain your situation to them.
4. Consider adding a lockbox to your property to protect your mail and packages.

It’s wise to apply common sense to these types of situations. The goal is to receive deliveries free of tampering, but it can sometimes be out of your control who accesses your packages.''

As the person who hates cooking but loves ethnic food, I order from restaurants through Uber apps; I did run in 1) several situations when someone obviously opened the cardboard containers (no they are not sealed, merely closed) to help himself with some food; usually it happens during evening deliveries; 2) once, when I splurged on expensive place with steaks; everything, the mashed potatoes, the asparagus, the truffles came but not the steak (all were packaged in separate boxes but again, not sealed); 3) One driver said he didn’t find the place (impossible) and drove away with my food. Uber reimbursed.

Delivery service 50% sucks, but I don’t view it as the way to attack me, I just imagine the state of mind of a person whose food delivery is the last before his ride home, and I think a hungry human is a hungry human. But if some helps himself with my food, he does it in the car, not in the communal property area. So there is nothing on the video, of course. Needless to say, it happens seldom, but for the sisters, once would have been enough.

My personal experience: that someone might have tampered with their food - possible and believable, that it was planned to poison the sisters - incredibly low on the list of plausible explanations. Their complaint was reasonable, the explanation, likely paranoid, but one has to factor in the girls’ isolation.

I am just trying to imagine the girls lives, dependent on one another, one ill, one slowly dragged into shared psychosis due to loneliness. Had they been proactive, help would come. But they came from the society when everything had been controlled. If they were killed - horrible, because their timid complaints were systematically discounted; if suicided or starved - even sadder, because it was totally preventable. Maybe this case will end up being a teaching one; I can only say that when I moved to the US, alone, but with clear plan, speaking English and being very proactive, every step nonetheless generated a lot of questions. People go through immigrants depression and don’t notice it, all immigrants see the same dreams. There is a lot of support, but one thing immigrants may not know, they have to ask for it. I wish the girls were to bring their concerns to refugee support groups, because the landlords are after two things, 1) money; 2) good reputation of the place. They are not going to help with the girls emotional state.

https://twitter.com/hksisters6

It's quite confusing because the story sounds identical. The one obvious change is their hairstyles, but I could imagine if they were fleeing they might cut their hair and probably don't have access to Saudi family money for beauty (like hair straightening).
I just find it a little too coincidental that they were the exact same age, both sisters with the same age gap and both escaped in the same month from the same place. There have only been 80 or so Saudi women applying for asylum over a several year period.

These are two girls who fled their abusive family in 2017. Earlier on in this thread I posted their interview. I don’t know if are the same girls or not. DM first said, yes, then, no. There is an interview with them I posted from Times. We don’t know at this point because our press is not reliable. I think in 2019 these sisters were posting from HK, and Alsehli were in AU, but who knows? (The original source of info about these girls is Yemeni newspaper, but Yemen and SA are not the best of friends).

 

[Dotta]

As the person who hates cooking but loves ethnic food, I order from restaurants through Uber apps; I did run in 1) several situations when someone obviously opened the cardboard containers (no they are not sealed, merely closed) to help himself with some food; usually it happens during evening deliveries; 2) once, when I splurged on expensive place with steaks; everything, the mashed potatoes, the asparagus, the truffles came but not the steak (all were packaged in separate boxes but again, not sealed); 3) One driver said he didn’t find the place (impossible) and drove away with my food. Uber reimbursed.

Delivery service 50% sucks, but I don’t view it as the way to attack me, I just imagine the state of mind of a person whose food delivery is the last before his ride home, and I think a hungry human is a hungry human. But if some helps himself with my food, he does it in the car, not in the communal property area. So there is nothing on the video, of course. Needless to say, it happens seldom, but for the sisters, once would have been enough.

My personal experience: that someone might have tampered with their food - possible and believable, that it was planned to poison the sisters - incredibly low on the list of plausible explanations. Their complaint was reasonable, the explanation, likely paranoid, but one has to factor in the girls’ isolation.

I am just trying to imagine the girls lives, dependent on one another, one ill, one slowly dragged into shared psychosis due to loneliness. Had they been proactive, help would come. But they came from the society when everything had been controlled. If they were killed - horrible, because their timid complaints were systematically discounted; if suicided or starved - even sadder, because it was totally preventable. Maybe this case will end up being a teaching one; I can only say that when I moved to the US, alone, but with clear plan, speaking English and being very proactive, every step nonetheless generated a lot of questions. People go through immigrants depression and don’t notice it, all immigrants see the same dreams. There is a lot of support, but one thing immigrants may not know, they have to ask for it. I wish the girls were to bring their concerns to refugee support groups, because the landlords are after two things, 1) money; 2) good reputation of the place. They are not going to help with the girls emotional state.


These are two girls who fled their abusive family in 2017. Earlier on in this thread I posted their interview. I don’t know if are the same girls or not. DM first said, yes, then, no. There is an interview with them I posted from Times. We don’t know at this point because our press is not reliable. I think in 2019 these sisters were posting from HK, and Alsehli were in AU, but who knows? (The original source of info about these girls is Yemeni newspaper, but Yemen and SA are not the best of friends).

Re: "tampering" with your food.

Look at it this way - you made a good deed of feeding the hungry

 

[Charlot123]

Re: "tampering" with your food.

Look at it that way - you made a good deed of feeding the hungry

I actually view it with good humor, if a delivery man liked my food, then, I probably order from good places indeed , Plus, i order a lot and these events don’t happen often, probably, within expected statistical probability; plus, Uber does reimburse. I am merely trying to understand the mentality of these young women, and think, “tampering” - possible, but not to poison them.

 

[Dotta]

Well, the landlord has been dragged into horrible situation in my opinion.

He did what he could:
- checked cctv when the sisters complained (food, car, strange man),
- asked Police for welfare check after the plumber was anxious,
- sent a letter of warning regarding unpaid rent.

What else could he do?

And now, his apartment building is splashed in every tabloid.

I don't think he is happy with this kind of "fame".

Although, there are people who are attracted to such "cursed" places.

I once read there were trips to see the house of Fritzl in Austria

MOO

 

[UnDiluted7]

Well, the landlord has been dragged into horrible situation in my opinion.

He did what he could:
- checked cctv when the sisters complained (food, car, strange man),
- asked Police for welfare check after the plumber was anxious,
- sent a letter of warning regarding unpaid rent.

What else could he do?

And now, his apartment building is splashed in every tabloid.

I don't think he is happy with this kind of "fame".

Although, there are people who are attracted to such "cursed" places.

I once read there were trips to see the house of Fritzl in Austria

MOO

Oh yeah, the morbid curiosity crew will be out in full force. It's crazy. There are literally tours in Sydney which will take you to famous crime scenes or related areas around the city for a few bucks.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Wednesday saw the introduction of new theories regarding the puzzling case of Asra Abdallah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal, 23, who were found inside their Canterbury unit in Sydney’s southwest in June.

Detectives believe the pair intended to kill themselves because bottles of chemicals like bleach and other substances were discovered next to their bodies in separate bedrooms.

Initial toxicology findings revealed that the women’s bodies contained traces of the substances discovered in the bedrooms.

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“There’s no indication of anyone else being in the unit ... no forced entry. It really does appear to be a tragic suicide,” a senior police source told The Telegraph.

A bottle of bleach, non-perishable food items and clothing were reportedly among the items found in the bedrooms.

Tragic twist in case of Saudi sisters found dead in Sydney unit

Despite several strange turns coming to light, little remains known about the sisters - but police have a leading theory.

7news.com.au

*eta:
It's also been revealed a black BMW coupe seized after the women's bodies were found remains in a police holding yard.

The car is expected to be sold to recover debts owed to the women's landlord after they stopped paying rent ten weeks before their fully clothed but decomposing bodies were found. bbm

Saudi Alsehli sisters died as part of suicide, NSW Police claims

Fresh theories emerged on Wednesday about the baffling case of Asra Abdallah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal, 23, who were found inside their Sydney unit in June.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

Wednesday saw the introduction of new theories regarding the puzzling case of Asra Abdallah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal, 23, who were found inside their Canterbury unit in Sydney’s southwest in June.

Detectives believe the pair intended to kill themselves because bottles of chemicals like bleach and other substances were discovered next to their bodies in separate bedrooms.

Initial toxicology findings revealed that the women’s bodies contained traces of the substances discovered in the bedrooms.

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“There’s no indication of anyone else being in the unit ... no forced entry. It really does appear to be a tragic suicide,” a senior police source told The Telegraph.

A bottle of bleach, non-perishable food items and clothing were reportedly among the items found in the bedrooms.

Tragic twist in case of Saudi sisters found dead in Sydney unit

Despite several strange turns coming to light, little remains known about the sisters - but police have a leading theory.

7news.com.au

From the link above

1.
"Bank records showed funds were drying up, police told The Telegraph."

2.
"The women stopped paying rent ten weeks before their fully dressed but decaying bodies were discovered, and it is anticipated that the car will be sold to recoup debts owed to their landlord."

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Wednesday saw the introduction of new theories regarding the puzzling case of Asra Abdallah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal, 23, who were found inside their Canterbury unit in Sydney’s southwest in June.

Detectives believe the pair intended to kill themselves because bottles of chemicals like bleach and other substances were discovered next to their bodies in separate bedrooms.

Initial toxicology findings revealed that the women’s bodies contained traces of the substances discovered in the bedrooms.

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“There’s no indication of anyone else being in the unit ... no forced entry. It really does appear to be a tragic suicide,” a senior police source told The Telegraph.

A bottle of bleach, non-perishable food items and clothing were reportedly among the items found in the bedrooms.

Tragic twist in case of Saudi sisters found dead in Sydney unit

Despite several strange turns coming to light, little remains known about the sisters - but police have a leading theory.

7news.com.au

As I thought, if there's bleach containers, other toxic substances <modsnip: Nothing to support those specifics>, it points to them jointly deciding to end their lives.
Extremely sad and avoidable if treatment had be sought or provided much earlier, I think one influenced the other which is just so tragic, because if not both, one sister could've been saved.

Mental illness, the pandemic and lock downs and the constant rain and floods, money drying up, took it's toll on an already fragile mind, imo, one sister must have been at the end of her tether, overcome with paranoia, and her sister feared being left alone. .

They'd come so far to lose all hope? JMO

 

[Kemug]

Wow. Oh dear, that is so sad.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

From the link above

1.
"Bank records showed funds were drying up, police told The Telegraph."

2.
"The women stopped paying rent ten weeks before their fully dressed but decaying bodies were discovered, and it is anticipated that the car will be sold to recoup debts owed to their landlord."

Wow, so it was a rumour they were naked?

 

[bfew]

money drying up

They could have sold the BMW they owned.

2nd Hand cars in Sydney have been in very high demand all of this year.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Human Rights Watch Australia researcher Sophie McNeill said asylum seekers from Saudi Arabia were often more vulnerable than most other groups who flee their homelands.

“They often have a really lonely experience,” she told SBS News.

“They don’t want to connect with the Saudi community (here), they want to stay away from other Saudis."

“Often these women have no support network apart from other asylum seekers like themselves,” Ms McNeill said.

“They find it really hard to trust other people. They are especially avoiding people from the country they left.”

She said the sisters’ story was an example of why Australia needed to do more for people in such vulnerable situations.

An asylum claim and missing rent: What we know about the tragic case of Sydney's Saudi sisters

Police are appealing for information over the deaths of two sisters whose bodies were found in a Sydney unit in June.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[Dotta]

Oh well,
I'm still doubtful, this case is so mysterious and scary.

Let these poor sisters be buried at last.
(One report).

Or are they buried already?
(Another report)

We may never know the truth.
The sisters' secrets stayed with them.

MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Sounds like they were more paranoid than threatened, IMO

We don't really know. Sometimes fear is well founded.

 

[Fika]

That’s what I suspected, suicide that I was thinking (almost) from the beginning.
It’s really sad case and hopefully will open a discussion about what refugees/immigrants go trough mentally.