Australia- Two sisters in their 20s found dead inside Sydney unit had been there lengthy time, Suspicious deaths, June 2022

[nimaathep]

I didn’t realise that it’s a thing and I order out all the time.
I never had any issues. Anyways if they ordered from the same place and had the same driver than I could see that happening. To me it still seems like mental issues played the role and not an outsider in what happened. It’s all together the food tempering with, noticing men behaving strangely, hiding in corner, IMO I dont think anyone did anything to them but downward spiral played a role of being scared.

MOO, but if there was an individual seen in the building who was giving the girls’ address when asked where he lived, could they have been nervous that he intercepted the food and did something to it before it was placed at their door? TBH, no delivery driver I’ve know has ever checked if the food is being delivered to the exact person who ordered it and not just someone in the house. Just suggesting that the fear isn’t as unsubstantiated as it seems - I.e. less fear about the drivers but someone else intercepting the food.

 

[ElGato]

MOO, but if there was an individual seen in the building who was giving the girls’ address when asked where he lived, could they have been nervous that he intercepted the food and did something to it before it was placed at their door? TBH, no delivery driver I’ve know has ever checked if the food is being delivered to the exact person who ordered it and not just someone in the house. Just suggesting that the fear isn’t as unsubstantiated as it seems - I.e. less fear about the drivers but someone else intercepting the food.

Okay, but if you had that kind of fear, and you were a rational person...why would you keep ordering take out food and having it sit outside your home long enough to be tampered with?

Might you not start buying food and bringing it home, cooked or uncooked?

I feel like I'm watching one of those movies where the script requires the naive young woman to keep wandering through the scary place, and I'm shouting at the TV 'don't go into there! Go away and get help!'. I mean, are people suggesting they accidently befriended a vampire, or something?

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Every angle should be checked by Police.

No stone left unturned.

The brave sisters deserve the effort on their behalf.

After all, they died in fear and solitude.

MOO

 

[sunnybree]

ETA, plus there'd need to be several men to subdue and smother 2 women. However fearful they may have been, natural instinct leads people to fight back, not obediantly allow some guy to SA and smother them in turn.

JMO

There have been many cases where one man has killed two women/two people. A very famous example is how Dennis Rader killed the Otero family, but there has been many less famous examples too. In fact it could arguably be easier to subdue two people as fear for the safety of the other victim might prevent a victim from running or fighting back, whereas a sole victim might take that chance. Per the Otero family murder, Rader threatened the family with a gun (that he never actually used to kill them) and they complied with being tied up because he said he wanted to steal their car. If you think the man with a gun wants to steal your car, then it would seem safer to go along with it, right? Then he separated them, and being bound the adults could not get free. Now, I think the circumstances of the Otero murders and whatever has happened to Amaal and Asra are entirely different, but it reveals just how easily a single violent individual armed with a weapon can overpower two adults. There have been more local cases too such as the Lin family murders, where the adults were attacked in their sleep by a sole perpetrator. Or the murders of Margaret and Seana Tapp, very likely to have been carried out by a sole offender. He didn’t murder them at the same moment, but again one at a time, in their beds. (That murder though involved the rape of a child.) Perhaps if the girls were attacked and murdered, they were asleep, or one was disabled before the other and they were separated.

 

[Laughing]

Re: crucifixes found in the apartment

This could mean several things:

Conversion
Depiction of Jesus, acknowledged as a prophet by some Muslims

How about a token of protection given to the sisters by someone who cared about them -- someone from the refugee agency, from the school, from the previous or current neighborhood, the convenience store even? Seems that several people knew the sisters were fearful, could someone have offered their own favorite way of coping with fears?

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[NeverPersonal]

Canterbury apartment where Alsehli Saudi sisters found dead listed by real estate for $520 a week | Daily Mail Online
* Their two-bedroom Canterbury apartment has now gone back on the market
* Photos of the bedrooms where they died were notably absent from the listing
* Property agent Jay Hu said the $40-a-week price increase reflected renovations
* He said the bedrooms, where they were found, were renovated due to the 'smell'

The ad also notes the unit was recently renovated and features 'balconies that enhance 'airflow'.

Property manager Jay Hu said renovations, including slapping a new coat of paint on the walls and ripping up the carpet to replace them with floorboards, were carried out in both bedrooms due to the odour.

'There was a lot of liquid and smell,' Mr Hu told The Daily Telegraph.

Mr Hu said the rental increase reflected the work done to the unit in the wake of the women's deaths.

According to the online listing, the 'nearly brand new apartment ensures a life of seamless luxurious comfort'.

'Newly installed hybrid timber flooring for both bedrooms,' the ad reads.

'Relaxation with luxurious open-plan living spaces and spacious balconies enhances light and airflow.'

Police believe the women, who were found in separate bedrooms, may have been dead for a month before officers discovered their decomposing bodies.

Detectives were called to the scene by the sheriff, who made the grisly find after turning up to the property to serve the pair with an eviction notice after they had failed to pay rent for weeks.

 

[NeverPersonal]

10 News First Sydney on Twitter: "Saudi Arabia sisters Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal Abdullah Alsehli, 23, were found dead inside their Canterbury apartment in June however police still do not know how they died | @taylorryan_10 https://t.co/TwGfNJBq14" / Twitter Australian news video here.

NSW Police Force on Twitter: "Police have renewed their appeal for information after the bodies of two women were located inside a Canterbury unit last month. The sisters have been formally identified as 24-year-old Asra Abdullah Alsehli and 23-year-old Amaal Abdullah Alsehli. https://t.co/1xUjSc35cI https://t.co/oVS08LDLjs" / Twitter

Lots of responses from people in Saudi Arabia here (there's a translate button). Many people suggesting an honor killing or a gas leak. One interesting... person suggested Havana syndrome (made me chuckle a bit).

I really hope all available CCTV is being checked, and for the garage as well to see when they last took the car out. I remember reading the car was thick with dust when towed.

 

[SouthAussie]

This updated DT article says that the girls remains have been at a Sydney morgue for two months now. That their family has no plans to repatriate them to Saudi Arabia. And that the police are keeping their family informed of their investigations. (As per an unnamed Saudi Arabia Embassy official.)

It also says that Mr Hu - the apartment owner - lives overseas.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/t...k=cc7bf7ee10232357024e592a0d417075-1659480393

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

This is a really odd case, the first thing that I thought was they were murdered for escaping SA.
Now I am not so sure, mental illness could have played a role at least one of the sister might have suffered mental health issues. What I find odd ( among many things) is that they believed someone tampered with food delivery but how? Im in Europe but usually food delivery comes right from packing magazine straight to the door by a driver and is handed at the door. How would someone tamper with that?when? Also Middle Eastern man seen in building it was also burger place and many people went in and out ( I assume) unless the man behaved really suspicious its odd that someone even noticed him specifically? My neighbours have many friends over and I see many different people a lot unless they do something which stands out I don’t think they are suspicious.
They seemed scared and stayed in corner during check so that shows to some sort of paranoia they most likely had a good reason to suspect that someone will come for them after they escaped but maybe this fear went too far.. All IMO

I suppose 'tampered with' could mean many things.

For example does it mean their food delivery was left on the doorstep and someone subsequently tore open the packaging? Does it mean they thought someone had stolen part of a delivery or that the delivery person hadn't brought all of it? Does it mean they either believed or experienced that whoever prepared or packed the food did something weird with it? Mixed up orders or sent the wrong stuff or included an inappropriate item or a note or something. Could mean a LOT of things.

 

[NeverPersonal]

Saudi sisters mystery deepens as autopsy results deemed inconclusive (smh.com.au)
The mystery surrounding the deaths of two Saudi-born sisters seeking asylum in Australia has deepened after inconclusive results from toxicology tests and autopsies on their bodies, which were found a month after the women died.

Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal Abdullah Alsehli, 23, moved from Saudi Arabia to Sydney’s south-west as teenagers in 2017. Multiple sources with knowledge of the case said they had been seeking asylum in Australia.

The sisters seemed to become increasingly fearful of their safety in the months before their death. “Were they paranoid? Yes,” said an employee of the building management company who had contact with them. “Were they scared? Yes. Why? We don’t know.”

Reports in Middle Eastern news outlets, which were widely re-reported in Australia at the weekend, said that the sisters were known as Reem and Rawan and fled to Hong Kong while on a family holiday with $5000.

However, the reports appear to have conflated the Alsehlis’ escape with a separate case.

Another person with knowledge of the case, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the sisters had travelled to Australia through Jordan and Dubai. Police have been tight-lipped about their movements and visa status.

The coroner will decide whether to hold an inquest once they have reviewed the police evidence and the autopsy results.

 

[vls12345]

Since they were on a low floor (first?), have LE talked to anyone who lived or worked in a building across the street from their balconies? Other people who would have been at the same height/floor as the apartment? Someone who may have been routinely facing their location because of how their desk or room was situated? Would they have noticed anything different or strange?

MOO.

 

[Arboreal]

If you look at the story of their travels on their twitter account, you will see that it's the same sisters. Their ages, date of escape, etc all correlate.

Can you link to the twitter account or a screen shot? I saw a report that said the sisters had next to no social media.
I am trying to find an article I read that said the dates were similar, but they were different sets of sisters.
And this, from the article I quoted, would seem to confirm they are different sets of sisters:
<<Contacts of those sisters confirmed to the Herald that they were alive and well in an undisclosed country.>>
The herald may have it wrong. but their journalists tend to be a little more careful than the DM.

 

[Arboreal]

It's not unusual for everyone. If they went to bed for the evening maybe they simply don't wear pajamas. I sleep in the nude all year around (and yes, that means no undies, or you wouldn't be defined as naked), even when it's below zero out. I know. TMI. LOL

Hot weather? I use less blankets or kick them off entirely. Cold weather? More blankets, but NEVER pajamas, so I don't find that odd or unusual at all if they had retired for the evening.

So if they had retired for the evening, and found dead in their beds, then what killed them both at the same time? So for me, I'm not suspecting suicide. I'd never consider dying by suicide, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't undress for the act KNOWING someone was going to eventually find my body. And I'd likely not get under the covers if I was waiting for something like a poison to do its work. I'd sit in an easy chair, the couch, or lay on the bed, not under the covers. MOO

ETA - When I'm talking about "for the evening" I simply mean when they go to bed to sleep as it's been reported they were up at night and slept in the day.

This is why it's useful to know if there sisters had pyjamas and where they were (in a cupboard, thrown on the floor?)
Sleeping naked is not at all unusual.
and yes, the first landlord, who claimed to have been friendly with them, said they tended to be up at night and sleep into the morning. This raises the interesting question of whether they changed their routine when they worked with the construction company.
Also, did this Rita know what the sisters were doing up late at night. Ad what does Rita mean when she says they were up late.
Well organised journalists should be methodically going through all this.

 

[Kemug]

But the girls were asleep in separate rooms.
What if the 1st was smothered with a pillow and then the next?
They would not have opportunity to utter a shriek.

Yes, but we don't actually know that they were asleep, do we? Or even if they were in bed. Or in separate rooms. That could all have been staged.

 

[Kemug]

Since they were on a low floor (first?), have LE talked to anyone who lived or worked in a building across the street from their balconies? Other people who would have been at the same height/floor as the apartment? Someone who may have been routinely facing their location because of how their desk or room was situated? Would they have noticed anything different or strange?

MOO.

Even if LE haven't contacted any such people, I would think they would have come forward by now if they had any information. After all, it must be the talk of the neighbourhood. And for all we know, they have.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

This is why it's useful to know if there sisters had pyjamas and where they were (in a cupboard, thrown on the floor?)
Sleeping naked is not at all unusual.
and yes, the first landlord, who claimed to have been friendly with them, said they tended to be up at night and sleep into the morning. This raises the interesting question of whether they changed their routine when they worked with the construction company.
Also, did this Rita know what the sisters were doing up late at night. Ad what does Rita mean when she says they were up late.
Well organised journalists should be methodically going through all this.

There’s night road works in and around Sydney, maybe, they did night shifts. If they were traffic controllers, night shift would suit

The women had been attending Tafe in Fairfield, with the landlord saying they would “only leave for Tafe, shopping or work”. Both sisters worked in traffic control for a construction company.

Saudi sisters found dead in Sydney had active claims for asylum with Department of Home Affairs

Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal Abdullah Alsehli, 23, were quiet and ‘would keep to themselves’, former landlord says

www.theguardian.com

 

[Waverider]

This updated DT article says that the girls remains have been at a Sydney morgue for two months now. That their family has no plans to repatriate them to Saudi Arabia. And that the police are keeping their family informed of their investigations. (As per an unnamed Saudi Arabia Embassy official.)

It also says that Mr Hu - the apartment owner - lives overseas.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/t...k=cc7bf7ee10232357024e592a0d417075-1659480393

What can we infer from the family having no plans to repatriate the remains to Saudi?

I’m assuming that it isn’t an issue of expense. And I *believe* that culturally it would be expected that the remains would be buried according to custom, a task which I wouldn’t think you’d entrust to police etc overseas.

If true, does this suggest that their family has disowned them or similar?

 

[Waverider]

Even if LE haven't contacted any such people, I would think they would have come forward by now if they had any information. After all, it must be the talk of the neighbourhood. And for all we know, they have.

My friend’s employee lives in their apartment building and they were apparently not allowed to leave their apartment for some time during the initial investigation, so the person couldn’t go to work. The whole area was apparently shut down. The impression I got was that police were everywhere asking questions etc so I can only imagine police at least would have tried to contact those people

 

[Garcelle]

Can you link to the twitter account or a screen shot? I saw a report that said the sisters had next to no social media.
I am trying to find an article I read that said the dates were similar, but they were different sets of sisters.
And this, from the article I quoted, would seem to confirm they are different sets of sisters:
<<Contacts of those sisters confirmed to the Herald that they were alive and well in an undisclosed country.>>
The herald may have it wrong. but their journalists tend to be a little more careful than the DM.

https://twitter.com/hksisters6

It's quite confusing because the story sounds identical. The one obvious change is their hairstyles, but I could imagine if they were fleeing they might cut their hair and probably don't have access to Saudi family money for beauty (like hair straightening).
I just find it a little too coincidental that they were the exact same age, both sisters with the same age gap and both escaped in the same month from the same place. There have only been 80 or so Saudi women applying for asylum over a several year period.

 

[Coppertop15]

What can we infer from the family having no plans to repatriate the remains to Saudi?

I’m assuming that it isn’t an issue of expense. And I *believe* that culturally it would be expected that the remains would be buried according to custom, a task which I wouldn’t think you’d entrust to police etc overseas.

If true, does this suggest that their family has disowned them or similar?

Not to be vulgar, but it sounds like the bodies were not at all in good shape. You couldn't do any of the traditional rituals.