Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #10

[ahoy]

I want justice for WW. A world which let's GT get away with this is not a world I want to be part of.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

This is what i don't understand. Posters are going on about going by the facts. Why then make up some nonsensical nonsense about the layout of the apartment when we have the photos to look at. We have the facts in front of us and people still are ignoring them to go off into fantasyland they mistakenly believe is "logic".

usually called selective hearing but in this case, selective reading.

 

[Ausgirl]

RSBM


Warriena didn't refuse to leave. She was begging to leave and she wanted her belongings? Seriously assaulting?!! Why make stuff up? :banghead: If this was such a easy case to decide, no one would have to resort to distorting the facts.

And she didn't hit him he said, out his own fat mouth. She didn't even swing it, only "tried".

Maybe his supporters can't even believe him. After all, he is a liar.

 

[CleverKnot]

I've asked 3 times. He won't answer me but continues to assert that he knows our gender. Lol

I just read this post, and already mentioned how I know about 15-20 minutes ago.

Everyone is a page or two slow, especially if they are replying.

Hardly something mockworthy.

 

[Karinna]

RSBM


Warriena didn't refuse to leave. She was begging to leave and she wanted her belongings? Seriously assaulting?!! Why make stuff up? :banghead: If this was such a easy case to decide, no one would have to resort to distorting the facts.

Exactly. If GT was able to restrain her enough to get her out on the balcony he was able to restrain her enough to chuck as he calls it her out of his entry door to the apartment. He could then have been locked safely behind his front door and called a friend to come by or daddy, and deal with things if she was still being a bad girl! He chose to place a very drunk girl out on a very unsafe balcony with no means of escape. Manslaughter!

 

[CleverKnot]

There are many facts, people are just choosing to ignore them in place of ~well i *feel* he may have called the police to have escorted her out~ even though there is absolutely nothing to even suggest such a thing.

Much like people "feel" she was in desperate fear for her life, where nothing mattered, but to get away.

Yet, was at the glass reasoning with him as soon as she was out of his grip. Then when that didn't work, went for the railing.

 

[Karinna]

And why peeps seem to think Warriena should of been behaving "rationally" is beyond me? She was drunk FFS, and A**hat was encouraging her to drink more.

 

[CleverKnot]

Exactly. And it's entirely possible that his three (or more?) references to the balcony had made her very wary of his intentions.

Certainly, in her position, I would be wondering why he kept bringing it up and if it related at all to his sudden and ominous tonal shift.

One could also interpret that as him fishing for information on her mental state, and mental history.

 

[fairydust]

And she didn't hit him he said, out his own fat mouth. She didn't even swing it, only "tried".

Maybe his supporters can't even believe him. After all, he is a liar.

As has been explained before, an attempt, is as good as if the offence was committed fully. Attempted greivous bodily harm, and the Crown, agreed that she committed this offence.

 

[CleverKnot]

I wouldn't know, but I highly doubt involving the police (based on his previous run ins with them) would have been on the list.

So he expected her to just sit there quietly? That was his master plan?

 

[fairydust]

I know, right? WHY in the f__ instruct the jury to focus on that crucial 6 mins of audio and then tell them to IGNORE Tostee's part in it.

Now I really AM eyeballing that judge. Who's he drinkin with down at the ol' boys club.

That is an unfounded slur on one of the highest law officers in this county. I also notice that other posters are likewise denigrating Justice Byrne, the jurors, and counsel. It does not make your position look good when you cast slurs on the very people charged to execute the judicial process, just because their actions do not fit with your narrative.

The Judge is the expert in this matter. Let him to do his job without attacking him. Does anyone ring up NASA and tell them them don't like the way their last mission went, and that Astronaut X should have pressed button A on his console instead of button E? Same principle.

 

[CleverKnot]

But an angry, vengeful man hell bent on punishment might put a woman on a balcony ledge at 2am in the heat of the moment considering he had made many references to that through the course of the night.

Yes. Hell bent on punishment, he somehow has her by the neck, choking her, FINALLY under the control he is so desperately seeking...

... then throws her out on the balcony and closes the door behind him for the neighbors to deal with.

 

[Kitsune]

That's not how it would happen, and what you are actually demonstrating is exactly how men are held to some impossible standard of being able to control every situation physically with a woman, otherwise they are labelled and mocked as a wuss.

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BBM, RSBM. [FONT=&quot] That has been my experience! My step father is a big man, he showed up at the police station with a black eye and bleeding from wounds inflicted by car keys, to report that he had been assaulted. The cops asked the name of the guy who did it, step dad replied his ex wife, the police looked shocked then asked how big she was. Step dad replied by moving his hand to his chest area, the police laughed! [/FONT]

 

[CleverKnot]

Well he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Or does that need to put in dot point to spell it out?

So in order to maintain your theory of guilt, he has to be a master manipulator, then a complete moron.

 

[Rahamare]

That is an unfounded slur on one of the highest law officers in this county. I also notice that other posters are likewise denigrating Justice Byrne, the jurors, and counsel. It does not make your position look good when you cast slurs on the very people charged to execute the judicial process, just because their actions do not fit with your narrative.

The Judge is the expert in this matter. Let him to do his job without attacking him. Does anyone ring up NASA and tell them them don't like the way their last mission went, and that Astronaut X should have pressed button A on his console instead of button E? Same principle.

I think Justice McCallum (from Gittany's case) would've handled this case very differently. There are differences even amongst those in the highest positions and I think it's okay to analyse and try to make sense of the decisions made by the Judge. Sure there's a bit of slurring but I think sometimes that's how people express themselves. No harm intended.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

One could also interpret that as him fishing for information on her mental state, and mental history.

This isn't about Tostee, is it?

:gaah::waitasec::maddening:

 

[Trooper]

I , for one, am admiring this jury to the max.. it seems , regardless of gender, and the crazed assumption that the reasons behind this long and entirely appropriate length of deliberation is one based on the makeup of the jury in regards to gender, ( the most nutso claim so far today ) .. no one in that jury has distanced themselves from the victim, nor the accused.. always a good thing, an engaged jury, willing to put the time , the thought, the energy and their combined qualifications ( as the peers of Gabe, although it would be difficult to get jury of the exact peer equivalence of Gabe , thank god for that ) and the untiring adherence to their designated task. Coming to a verdict that reflects community expectations. It is a jury can be expected to deliver, and mostly, overwhelmingly, they get it right.

There are not many cases where it hasn't. There have been far far more cases where the judge gave (a ) too big a sentence and the convicted person requires a lesser sentence, or (b) , the judge gives too little a sentence and the DPP , the Crown, the Public Prosecutor , appeals and wins a lengthening of the sentence.

The jury brings to the deliberation room all our community expectations, ringfenced by the current laws, but it still gives them a tremendous amount of leeway.. if the jury is willing to spend this time getting it right, I , for one, am willing to wait until Kingdom come, because, lets' face it, you and me waiting for this verdict is a far more comfortable experience than Gabe's waiting.

 

[TheOtherChristina]

Much like people "feel" she was in desperate fear for her life, where nothing mattered, but to get away.

Yet, was at the glass reasoning with him as soon as she was out of his grip. Then when that didn't work, went for the railing.

Reasoning with him? Do you mean hysterically begging "just let me go home?"

One could also interpret that as him fishing for information on her mental state, and mental history.

Claiming her phone was on the balcony -- how does this elicit information about her mental history?

Saying she was lucky he hadn't thrown her off the balcony (yet) -- same question?

As has been explained before, an attempt, is as good as if the offence was committed fully. Attempted greivous bodily harm, and the Crown, agreed that she committed this offence.

I think the crown made a huge mistake in not contesting this (although the language, from what I can tell from the tweets, was far more guarded than all that). From the tape, it seems to me that she raised the "metal object" in self-defense. Without any corroborating evidence, though, I guess the crown thought it wasn't worth debating the point since his reaction was unlawful even if she did attack him unprovoked.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

It's entirely possible he was about to phone the police to have her escorted out safely.

I wonder if Warriena saw GT pick up his phone when calling his lawyer and she thought he was calling the police, that's why she attempted climbing down from the balcony. :thinking: I still believe neither Warriena nor GT wanted the police involved at anytime during the night. Both had a chance to involve the police. We know why GT avoided getting the police involved, but Warriena, she could have walked out of the apartment earlier, left her phone etc, and gone to another apartment and asked for help, she chose not to.

 

[TheOtherChristina]

So he expected her to just sit there quietly? That was his master plan?

See, now that's a good question.