NOT GUILTY Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #12

[Bohemian]

Extra Minutes (5mins) of the interview with Tostee.

Starts by speaking about his confirmed OCD, and the erroneous diagnosis of autism when he was a teenager.
The recording …. ‘the question isn’t why would I do that, it is why wouldn’t I do that’.
So, you always recorded your dates? Without their knowledge? ... ‘99% of the recordings which I haven’t used. It wasn’t for the purpose of recording my dates. Probably recorded ‘less than a dozen’ of my dates. I recommend anyone does it …. there’s no reason not to’.

[video=twitter;798072988276928513]https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/798072988276928513[/video]

Maybe not in Queensland but in other states it is illegal to record someone without their knowledge, let alone publish it on social media AFAIK.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

I think Warriena's screams got more intense and louder after hearing GT say it's all being recorded. I can imagine she would be panic stricken on hearing that and wanted to get out of there as fast as she possibly could which is why she made the split second decision to climb the balcony rail. I think, Warriena, herself, knew that what was on that recording was not going to paint her in a very good light nor would it do her any favours if the police got involved. I certainly wish she'd thought differently and that she was still here with us today. She was indeed a beautiful young lady, regardless of what was going on during the course of the night on the Tinder date with GT, she's beautiful and that's the way I will always remember her! I'm not really here or there in regards to GT. I think I'll remember him as Warriena's Tinder date on that fateful night. The guy who was charged for Murder, and found Not Guilty in a court of law.

 

[LozDa]

I think Warriena's screams got more intense and louder after hearing GT say it's all being recorded. I can imagine she would be panic stricken on hearing that and wanted to get out of there as fast as she possibly could which is why she made the split second decision to climb the balcony rail. I think, Warriena, herself, knew that what was on that recording was not going to paint her in a very good light nor would it do her any favours if the police got involved. I certainly wish she'd thought differently and that she was still here with us today. She was indeed a beautiful young lady, regardless of what was going on during the course of the night on the Tinder date with GT, she's beautiful and that's the way I will always remember her! I'm not really here or there in regards to GT. I think I'll remember him as Warriena's Tinder date on that fateful night. The guy who was charged for Murder, and found Not Guilty in a court of law.

He was found Not Guilty? Sheesh, I wish someone would have mentioned this before.

 

[meticulously]

Thanks for your input BasTyra. After listening to Tostee's tape many times I'm of the opinion that he slung Warriena over his shoulder with her head pointing down towards his pants pocket where the recording device was secreted. Hence the reason Warriena's voice becomes louder and it's not just the fact that she's screaming "NO". Her mouth (and screams) were a lot closer to the microphone of the recording device. When Tostee says "You're coming with me.." is when he drags her up off the floor after throttling her. "Get up, c'mon get up." Warriena didn't have a chance to make for the front door! As soon as she realised that he was taking her toward the balcony is when she began screaming "NO". He then placed (for the want of a better word) her on the outer ledge of the balcony. In her attempt to turn herself around to get a grip on the railing she fell to her death. No Tostee didn't push or throw Warriena off his balcony but IMO he certainly caused her death by placing her on the outer ledge of that balcony.

Agreed . The very first time I listened I imagined ww upside down due to the way her voice sounded & knowing myself about talking whilst doing headstands. Being carried over shoulder of gt . It is good to see here that everyone can work out that the timing of the balcony assault doesn't add up to what the courts & gt told . Im quite sure that gt put ww over the perimeter of the balcony rail . I was reading about saul holt defending Adrian bayley in a rape trial that holt successfully weaseled bayley out of by saying that the woman was wrong about his id in a photo match up which she was certain was the perp , Twisted ?

layout app for photos

 

[fairydust]

With all due respect Ksks, Sheerlock Holmes move on. Dumb down your argument on another Forum.

do not agree, I would like to hear Sheerlocks opinions. Others have also said this.

 

[sosocurious]

I think Warriena's screams got more intense and louder after hearing GT say it's all being recorded. I can imagine she would be panic stricken on hearing that and wanted to get out of there as fast as she possibly could which is why she made the split second decision to climb the balcony rail. I think, Warriena, herself, knew that what was on that recording was not going to paint her in a very good light nor would it do her any favours if the police got involved. I certainly wish she'd thought differently and that she was still here with us today. She was indeed a beautiful young lady, regardless of what was going on during the course of the night on the Tinder date with GT, she's beautiful and that's the way I will always remember her! I'm not really here or there in regards to GT. I think I'll remember him as Warriena's Tinder date on that fateful night. The guy who was charged for Murder, and found Not Guilty in a court of law.

IMO R'rie was in such fear. That she would not have given a toss as to whether it was being recorded. She just wanted to go home.

I will remember that Gable Tostee/Eric Thomas said when asked why he did not go out onto the balcony and look to see where the woman whom was a guest in his apartment.
The woman he had locked on his balcony.
The woman who he had just seen for a fleeting moment on the outside of his 14th floor high rise rail.

Q. “You couldn’t have even — you couldn’t even be bothered to go out on the balcony and look over the side and see what had happened to her.
A. “Well, whatever had happened out there had happened. And, looking over the edge, you know, it doesn’t help anybody. There’s no purpose to it.”
Q. “Are you kidding?”
A.“Well, no. I mean ...
A. “No, no, because that’s just, you know, kneejerk curiosity and, like I said, I was deeply concerned by what had happened to her.”
Q. “You were so deeply concerned, Gable, that from her death scream to the next event, which was you calling your lawyer, was 35 seconds.”
A. “I froze on the spot and I thought, ‘I need to do whatever is the most rational thing to do at the moment.’ I needed advice. I needed advice from somebody impartial.

Yet in seconds you can decide you need to speak to someone impartial (a defense lawyer none the less.)
Kneejerk curiosity :gaah:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...w/news-story/1b6c1a7704315564a8c0098a70c544ab

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

IMO R'rie was in such fear. That she would not have given a toss as to whether it was being recorded. She just wanted to go home.

I will remember that Gable Tostee/Eric Thomas said when asked why he did not go out onto the balcony and look to see where the woman whom was a guest in his apartment.
The woman he had locked on his balcony.
The woman who he had just seen for a fleeting moment on the outside of his 14th floor high rise rail.

Q. “You couldn’t have even — you couldn’t even be bothered to go out on the balcony and look over the side and see what had happened to her.
A. “Well, whatever had happened out there had happened. And, looking over the edge, you know, it doesn’t help anybody. There’s no purpose to it.”
Q. “Are you kidding?”
A.“Well, no. I mean ...
A. “No, no, because that’s just, you know, kneejerk curiosity and, like I said, I was deeply concerned by what had happened to her.”
Q. “You were so deeply concerned, Gable, that from her death scream to the next event, which was you calling your lawyer, was 35 seconds.”
A. “I froze on the spot and I thought, ‘I need to do whatever is the most rational thing to do at the moment.’ I needed advice. I needed advice from somebody impartial.

Yet in seconds you can decide you need to speak to someone impartial (a defense lawyer none the less.)
Kneejerk curiosity :gaah:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...w/news-story/1b6c1a7704315564a8c0098a70c544ab

Fair enough, sosocurious. You are entitled to remember, Warriena and GT, the way you would like to remember them, just as I am entitled to remember them the way I want to remember them. That goes for everyone who's followed the trial. I have no problem whatsoever with how others want to remember them!

 

[sosocurious]

For sure UT all entitled to our own views and I respect yours.
It is indeed a very odd situation with a very tragic outcome.

 

[fairydust]

Maybe not in Queensland but in other states it is illegal to record someone without their knowledge, let alone publish it on social media AFAIK.

Link to substantiate please.

 

[sosocurious]

Link to substantiate please.

In simple terms it is not illegal in Victoria, the Northern Territory or Queensland to record, without consent, a phone call you make or receive, or a private conversation you are having. However, in NSW, South Australia, Tasmania, Western Australia and the ACT it is illegal to record that phone call or conversation without consent.

All states and territories have exemptions around the notions of public interest and also "express" and "implied" consent.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/someones-listening--but-is-it-legal-20140801-zzclz.html

 

[purpleandgreen]

Gee, I hope you're wrong. After all, look what the Atkins / Leveson inquest has revealed. Atkins was found not guilty too, but now we know he was in fact guilty.

For what it's worth, I doubt there will be an inquest. While WW's death has been referred to the Coroner, that doesn't automatically mean there will be an inquest. In my opinion.

 

[Bohemian]

In simple terms it is not illegal in Victoria, the Northern Territory or Queensland to record, without consent, a phone call you make or receive, or a private conversation you are having. However, in NSW, South Australia, Tasmania, Western Australia and the ACT it is illegal to record that phone call or conversation without consent.

All states and territories have exemptions around the notions of public interest and also "express" and "implied" consent.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/someones-listening--but-is-it-legal-20140801-zzclz.html

Thanks sose *kiss*

 

[Bohemian]

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[Sheerlock Homes]

BBM: (Take two). As I've stated many times, it is MY OPINION that Tostee picked Warriena up and placed her on the outer ledge of his balcony which in turn led to her falling to her death. The jury has to live with their decision to acquit Tostee on the evidence they were permitted to proceed with. I fully understand the legal arguments put forward at trial but I don't agree with them. Why was Tostee acquitted you ask? It was a simple case of his defence team playing the better role during the trial. It's all a game to the legal eagles who stand up in a court of law to plead their client's case, be that the prosecution or the defence. It is a well worn choreography of the minds. Whoever plays the game the best wins. IMO. Some would liken it to dancing with wolves.

I think you have misunderstood me Makara. Probably my fault for not being clear enough. Apologies. I apologise again because I understood you to be saying it was known and proven that Tostee put Rie on the outer side of the balcony rail/fence. That was the only reason I made the quizzical comment about the verdict of acquittal. I now realise you were just speculating and there was no factual support for that speculation. Fair enough. In that light, I have to say that I disagree with your comments about why Toste was acquitted. I honestly believe it came down to the pretty simple and inescapable conclusion that there is no way that the Jury could have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on even what the facts were, let alone that upon facts as they can safely be concluded because of the recording, that he was guilty of murder or manslaughter. As you correctly point out, people here (all of us) are entitled to have an opinion and politely respond to respectful critique of that opinion.

 

[guruagain]

Climbing over the balcony and lowering herself down whilst almost dead drunk but only 1 palm print found!
If he recorded his dates to protect himself in case something happened (wth!) What happened to the first half of the night 9pm to 1pm?

 

[tiddles24]

Climbing over the balcony and lowering herself down whilst almost dead drunk but only 1 palm print found!
If he recorded his dates to protect himself in case something happened (wth!) What happened to the first half of the night 9pm to 1pm?

Too busy making love ???..:giggle:..:hot:..:naughty:..:winkkiss:..:bed:

 

[Bohemian]

Too busy making love ???..:giggle:..:hot:..:naughty:..:winkkiss:..:bed:

I would hardly call it 'love', tiddles. Not Gable's for Warriena IMO. I seriously doubt he loves amyone but himself.

 

[tiddles24]

I would hardly call it 'love', tiddles. Not Gable's for Warriena IMO. I seriously doubt he loves amyone but himself.

I tried to put it in the nicest possible way so that I wouldn't be in trouble with the Mods, Bo..:giggle::doorhide:
As it was stated, it seemed to be Number 1 on Tostee's priority list for the night, apart from the booze...MOO

 

[fairydust]

There didn't need to be evidence of an assault by WW because prosecution agreed that this happened. This was probably done based on evidence that was never tendered to the court. This happens all the time to narrow down the issues in dispute. An example is an assault cause harm. Often prosecution agree that harm was cause , which narrows down the issues to whether an assault occurred and harm was caused by the assault. If both sides contested every single element of every offence, courts would get completely bogged down.

This has been pointed out many many times previously in prior threads, but it appears that this fact is unpopular, and unwilling to be conceded by the "core thread regulars", so Ksks, there is probably little use pointing out this fact any more. The court got it wrong, you see.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Yes, the jury DID get it wrong. Firstly because the judge wouldn't accept a hung jury and made them keep going and going,,, until some got sick of being there and went along with the others to put an end to it. And secondly, because the jury wasn't given ALL of the evidence. IMO

This has been pointed out many many times previously in prior threads, but it appears that this fact is unpopular, and unwilling to be conceded by the "core thread regulars", so Ksks, there is probably little use pointing out this fact any more. The court got it wrong, you see.