Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #2

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So Warriena was tied up then at one stage? Oh this is all so confusing..we need the entire transcript in full to be able to determine what on earth went on in that apartment...

Yeah it seems she was. Have been struggling to make sense of it all myself. Guess we have the media to blame who want to feed us dribbs and drabbs. No doubt they have the full story. Guess we will find out a bit more tomorrow after Tostee's bail application.
 
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Enigmatic, I think maybe 1am was the point where the set-up was to his liking, and he thought he had a good chance of playing it out. Only, I think it went a LOT further than he ever expected it to that night. I think he was planning to dominate and scare the hell out of her, and w_nk to the recording of it later. Only, he got a bit too excited and went too far.... As he did when he tried to outrun the cops at 200kph. I mean, he *had* to know he was going to get caught for that, sooner or later, and that pulling over was his best option, legally speaking. But that didn't matter, clearly, as much as going through with the thrill of it to the bitter end.. heck, he was going home ina divvy van anyway, may as well go epic... and I think it was the same impetus behind what happened with Warriena.

He *had to * suspect she might call the cops after a certain point, when things had clearly gone beyond the mark where it could be passed off a bad, insensitive joke or just being a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. Warriena could have had him jailed for what he did to her --- and maybe he thought she would. So, applying Tostee-brand car chase logic here, why not fulfil the fantasy to its conclusion.. No thought for consequences. Like a junkie, chasing a high, knowing it might end very badly but not caring in the moment.
 
  • #343
I wonder if Mr O'Gorman will be as vocal about the liberties of the women/girls who were unknowingly recorded by Tostee, and had the recordings posted on the internet for all to listen to?

Now, that is illegal and not right.

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Probably not, because in his world, the victim is to blame partly and I am utterly sickened at how often that occurs in our society...ah I don't know but anyone who protects a paedophile is a dog in my eyes...I just cannot see it any other way.
 
  • #344
Mr O'Gorman would know that the documents in support/opposition of the bail application, once filed, are a matter of public record.
Pre-release of allegations of the police of what is going to be presented to the Judge, might be titilating but I can't see it being harmful.
I was checking the civil records myself to see what had been filed apart from the application, and both side's material was filed last Friday, before the coming Monday's Bail application.
Unless the court orders a suppression on material, then anyone may look - for a fee - and I presume that's what the CM asked to do, and made some notes of the content of the affidavit.
Those who were following the Baden-Clay case may remember that posters here later obtained copies of some of the affidavits and exhibits that were lodged in relation to his bail applications.
In that case though, the affidavits weren't filed until the day of the bail hearing so no time for anyone to access them before the judge did.
The relevant rule here is
UNIFORM CIVIL PROCEDURE RULES 1999 - SECT 981

981 Searches
(1) A person may ask the registrar to search for and permit the person to inspect a document in a court file.

(2) If the person is not a party or a representative of a party, the person asking for the search or inspection must pay any prescribed fee for the search or inspection.

(3) Subject to any court order restricting access to the file or document or the file or document being required for the court's use, the registrar must comply with the request, unless there is not enough information for the registrar to be able to comply with it.

(4) The registrar may also, on payment of the prescribed fee, issue a certificate of the result of the search.

And this is from the Qld Courts site:

"Search and copy court documents
In Queensland, you can access files used in civil court cases in the Brisbane Supreme and District courts.

You can choose to look through these documents, or get a copy of them.

You can apply to our search and copy team to obtain court documents whether you are a legal practitioner or a member of the public.

Before you start

You will need to know the file number and/or document details before you start. You can find this information by searching the Queensland Courts Party Search.

Application fees

If you are a party to the requested matter, you will not need to pay a search fee. However, if the file is one that we keep offsite, you will need to pay a collection fee. If you choose to get a copy of the documents - instead of just viewing them - you will need to pay a copy fee.

If you are not a party to the requested matter, you will need to pay a search fee. Copy fees and offsite collection fees will also apply.

View search and copy fees.
Timeframe

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We will contact you to let you know once your documents are ready for you to search, or your copies are ready to collect.

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By way of a PS, remember that any eventual trial, it is the evidence that is presented to the Jury that matters - and jurers will be selected who probably haven't taken an intense interest in what's being published now.

Thank you for looking up the info nowvoyager! I feel much better now knowing that he cannot get off on a technicality.
 
  • #345
Enigmatic, I think maybe 1am was the point where the set-up was to his liking, and he thought he had a good chance of playing it out. Only, I think it went a LOT further than he ever expected it to that night. I think he was planning to dominate and scare the hell out of her, and w_nk to the recording of it later. Only, he got a bit too excited and went too far.... As he did when he tried to outrun the cops at 200kph. I mean, he *had* to know he was going to get caught for that, sooner or later, and that pulling over was his best option, legally speaking. But that didn't matter, clearly, as much as going through with the thrill of it to the bitter end.. heck, he was going home ina divvy van anyway, may as well go epic... and I think it was the same impetus behind what happened with Warriena.

He *had to * suspect she might call the cops after a certain point, when things had clearly gone beyond the mark where it could be passed off a bad, insensitive joke or just being a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. Warriena could have had him jailed for what he did to her --- and maybe he thought she would. So, applying Tostee-brand car chase logic here, why not fulfil the fantasy to its conclusion.. No thought for consequences. Like a junkie, chasing a high, knowing it might end very badly but not caring in the moment.

Ahh yes I see.

And all I can see in those recordings as well, is how he is getting a kick out of humiliating and being cruel to poor Warriena.
 
  • #346
Yes ... I guess I just don't agree with certain principles and process. It annoys the heck out of me that perpetrators have prior crimes and criminal history suppressed prior to trial .. and I don't mind current details being released, as in the US system, prior to trial. I personally don't think it is up to the judicial system to decide if a jury is intelligent enough to sort the wheat from the chaff.

We protect the perps far too much .. imo .. and squelch the voice of the victims, who are too often no longer here to have their say.

Hear Hear!!
 
  • #347
E - yep. His words make my blood run cold.
 
  • #348
That'll be 50 cents in the eff'n'jeff jar Amee! LOL

I have about 50 bucks worth in there, I think...

And yeah, took her phone.... The more snippets that are coming out in this case, the more I am wondering at whether Tostee had been harbouring a sick little fantasy for some time, prior to Warriena. There's a few clues leaning me this way :

-- The prior balcony sex, which he's demi-famed for on the bb forum..
-- The boasting of overpowering another woman -- on the balcony.
-- To Warriena "You're lucky I haven't thrown you off the balcony" -- HELLO
-- The strong hints to a kind of 'set-up' situation in which the whole input from Tostee is clearly engineered to make Warriena *sound* like the villian of it all, when she clearly was terrified out of her wits and being held against her will, probably naked and phone-less.
- His calm, during and after. The sadistic tone of his comments.

Some sick fantasy being played out there... IMstrongO. I wonder how many girls he'd 'practised' on before he built up the courage /found the ideal situation in which to play it out.

With all that being said Ausgirl and now I am getting my head around the context now that I am not half asleep - I think she might have been sat on the balcony edge and he left her there - either tied up or untied. Perhaps in her drunken/inhibited state, as she tried to get down she fell? I know I am dizzy as and can fall over easily when intoxicated. If she was drugged, there would be a whole other level of disorientation...I do wonder though how she could be sat on the balcony as such as the railing seemed fairly thin.
 
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$380 per week:
1 Bedroom + Study Unfurnished Unit on 14th Floor of Avalon Apartments in Great Location!!
4 Wahroonga Place Surfers Paradise. The apartment is located in the Surfers Paradise CBD, 600 metres to the beach and less than 100 metres to the best in shopping, dining and entertainment.
Advertised on Thursday: (Last updated 04 Sep 2014 12:18pm) Looks like the balcony is off the living area and only windows are located in the bedroom. No floor plan supplied.

http://www.thehomepage.com.au/property/rental/4-wahroonga-place-surfers-paradise/798353
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  • #350
From NZ MSM ...


"Kiwi 'pleaded' for life before death

Wellington woman Warriena "Rrie" Wright was allegedly taunted and choked, and begged for her life before falling to her death in Surfers Paradise, according to Australian media reports about court documents.

The audio appears to include voices of a man and woman socialising, and then arguing, and a struggle.

According to 9News, police will claim the sound of a door being slid open could then be heard as a woman says "no, no, no".

The recording includes a fading scream."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/61083766/Kiwi-pleaded-for-life-before-death-reports
 
  • #351
"The Wellington woman who plunged to her death from a balcony on the Gold Coast was not just a pretty face - she was a fiercely independent woman who wanted to buy a home, find love and marry one day, her sister says.

The pair, who were not close to their parents, had never lived apart and Rrie, 26, planned to buy them a house and adopt rescued animals.

Reza says her sister, who loved gaming, anime and photography, was intelligent and reliable, she tells the magazine. "She valued smarts before looks and was lucky to have both."

She idolised Rrie, whose funeral was held last week, and could not believe she was gone."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10452794/Sister-tells-of-hopes-and-dreams-dashed
 
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$380 per week:

Advertised on Thursday: (Last updated 04 Sep 2014 12:18pm) Looks like the balcony is off the living area and only windows are located in the bedroom. No floor plan supplied.

http://www.thehomepage.com.au/property/rental/4-wahroonga-place-surfers-paradise/798353
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It's a glass balcony. sorry, I thought it was a concrete/rendered balcony when the cherry picker was working on it.
So Warriena couldn't have sat or crawled on that thin glass but on the outer edge of the glass there's the concrete ledge which appears about 40cm wide.
 
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With all that being said Ausgirl and now I am getting my head around the context now that I am not half asleep - I think she might have been sat on the balcony edge and he left her there - either tied up or untied. Perhaps in her drunken/inhibited state, as she tried to get down she fell? I know I am dizzy as and can fall over easily when intoxicated. If she was drugged, there would be a whole other level of disorientation...I do wonder though how she could be sat on the balcony as such as the railing seemed fairly thin.


IMO he lifted her over it, left her hanging.

Notice, btw, there's the sound of the door opening, not closing again? I'd like to be clear on that. As I have no doubt Tostee physically placed Rrie in mortal danger.
 
  • #355
Notice, btw, there's the sound of the door opening, not closing again?

The door WAS closed, wasn't it? That's why the screaming sounded 'faint' on the phone recording.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...ht-struggled-before-death#d15C4O4IXvQD5CXa.99

She is heard to say: "just let me go home”.

According to the police brief, the reply was: “I would but you have been a bad girl”.

Twenty six seconds after the sound of the door being shut, police say a fading scream can be heard.
 
  • #356
It's a glass balcony. sorry, I thought it was a concrete/rendered balcony when the cherry picker was working on it.
So Warriena couldn't have sat or crawled on that thin glass but on the outer edge of the glass there's the concrete ledge which appears about 40cm wide.


Yes, definitely glass-enclosed, I think it is just misleading by the angle of some of the photos.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fell-death-trying-escape-violent-partner.html
 
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