Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #3

[possumheart]

I hope this works ...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-09/sex-alcohol-and-violence-police-transcript-tostee-murder-trial/5731322

Sorry soso, the link isn't working for me, says Page not Found.

 

[sosocurious]

I hope this works ...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-09/sex-alcohol-and-violence-police-transcript-tostee-murder-trial/5731322

and a wrist watch recorder.
Just what everyone needs lol
http://www.dpl-surveillance-equipment.com/202312555.html

 

[sosocurious]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...nt-balcony-20140908-10e4zm.html#ixzz3Cykbvfgg

4.15am - Gable: I did turn on the recorder I think. Are you gunna stop somewhere?
Dad - I'll stop here
4.15am - The recording ends.

 

[Camp Chair]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...nt-balcony-20140908-10e4zm.html#ixzz3Cykbvfgg

4.15am - Gable: I did turn on the recorder I think. Are you gunna stop somewhere?
Dad - I'll stop here
4.15am - The recoding ends.

BBM

I'm really hoping the next line from Snr was "You turned on the what-now?? Son!".

GT seems comfortable mentioning the recorder to Snr as though it, in itself, isn't anything odd that needs explaining first. To me, 'the recorder' sounds like a device/habit known to both. If Snr wasn't aware of it, would GT have possibly said that differently? eg 'I may have left my phone recording, I'll check' rather than "I did turn on the recorder" like it were some kind of procedure he remembered to do. Odd. Son is recording women without their knowledge - not in a nightclub setting - in private, when he brings them back home to his unit. Separate to the cameras already installed. Hmmm.

 

[marlywings]

I've given a previous reminder about this.

Please quit the discussions and speculating about the parents and stick to the facts of the case as known to us via media or police.

 

[possumheart]

What did he do with those recordings? Listen to them while he layed carpet? Listen to them on interstate car trips? Is collecting Tinder recordings like collecting butterflies? I personally find it very perverse. I am struggling to find any analogies to help me understand why someone would have a compulsion to do that. And I do think it would have to be a compulsion to bother to do it, because it means you are completely not in the moment. Manipulating the moment, maybe, but not really there.

 

[Amee]

What did he do with those recordings? Listen to them while he layed carpet? Listen to them in interstate car trips? Is collecting Tinder recordings like collecting butterflies? I personally find it very perverse. I am struggling to find any analogies to help me understand why someone would have a compulsion to do that. And I do think it would have to be a compulsion to bother to do it, because it means you are completely not in the moment. Manipulating the moment, maybe, but not really there.

Its sick and really creeps me out.

 

[MsAnais]

What did he do with those recordings? Listen to them while he layed carpet? Listen to them in interstate car trips? Is collecting Tinder recordings like collecting butterflies? I personally find it very perverse. I am struggling to find any analogies to help me understand why someone would have a compulsion to do that. And I do think it would have to be a compulsion to bother to do it, because it means you are completely not in the moment. Manipulating the moment, maybe, but not really there.

This is a kind of creepy response - and I apologise in advance!!

But........when serial killers and sexual sadists record their encounters, they do it so they can play it back later to relive their 'glory'. And it primarily involves masturbating to the audio or video.

Basically, it's a tool to get off on later. A trophy to remind them of their mastery.

And that's the bit they get off on btw - their 'power' over another person, their expertise in manipulation, their superiority etc.....:facepalm:

I'm not sure if Tostee fits that category as I haven't assessed him.....but I strongly suspect so.

 

[possumheart]

This is a kind of creepy response - and I apologise in advance!!

But........when serial killers and sexual sadists record their encounters, they do it so they can play it back later to relive their 'glory'. And it primarily involves masturbating to the audio or video.

Basically, it's a tool to get off on later. A trophy to remind them of their mastery.

And that's the bit they get off on btw - their 'power' over another person, their expertise in manipulation, their superiority etc.....:facepalm:

I'm not sure if Tostee fits that category as I haven't assessed him.....but I strongly suspect so.

I can't imagine him recording a family Sunday dinner, but there was comment somewhere of him filming a violent nightclub altercation until a bouncer or someone stopped him. Very disturbing behaviour.

 

[MsAnais]

I can't imagine him recording a family Sunday dinner, but there was comment somewhere of him filming a violent nightclub altercation until a bouncer or someone stopped him. Very disturbing behaviour.

That's right! That's weird!! Maybe he digs watching violence.....who knows?? This guy is really unusual imo.....

All I definitely know is that he gives me the creeps!!

 

[MsAnais]

I think you're onto something, Poss,when you say him filming stops him from being in the moment. It probably gives him a false sense of control to be filming - as if he is an over-seeing witness/director rather than a participant.

I really do think everything comes back to control with this guy - because we know he must be a highly anxious person by nature due to his OCD diagnosis - and the most common way to alleviate anxiety (apart from taking meds) is by trying to control your environment.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

BBM

I'm really hoping the next line from Snr was "You turned on the what-now?? Son!".

GT seems comfortable mentioning the recorder to Snr as though it, in itself, isn't anything odd that needs explaining first. To me, 'the recorder' sounds like a device/habit known to both. If Snr wasn't aware of it, would GT have possibly said that differently? eg 'I may have left my phone recording, I'll check' rather than "I did turn on the recorder" like it were some kind of procedure he remembered to do. Odd. Son is recording women without their knowledge - not in a nightclub setting - in private, when he brings them back home to his unit. Separate to the cameras already installed. Hmmm.

If I found out I was being recorded, I'd go ballistic, I'd turn into the incredible Hulk. :bigfight:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Did I just kill the thread?

 

[catswhiskers]

Did I just kill the thread?

It was the threat of the incredible hulk emerging that did it anic:

 

[Renee110]

I think you're onto something, Poss,when you say him filming stops him from being in the moment. It probably gives him a false sense of control to be filming - as if he is an over-seeing witness/director rather than a participant.

I really do think everything comes back to control with this guy - because we know he must be a highly anxious person by nature due to his OCD diagnosis - and the most common way to alleviate anxiety (apart from taking meds) is by trying to control your environment.

I'm not arguing with you and I have no training or special knowledge in mental disorders, but I do know two people that really have OCD and they are nothing like him. One used to be a close friend so I saw unclose and frequently how she acted. She showed hunter/jumpers and was the girlfriend of my daughter's trainer and was in charge of the barn and scheduling shows and trips etc. Just to give an example of her OCD, you get to walk the course before you jump/show. You count strides between jumps etc. She would go out there with a notepad and write every jump down with how many strides were in between and then she would double-check and then triple check and do this as many times as she could before they told everyone to leave the course. Everything she did in life she had to check over and over to make sure it was right. So I guess if you want to call that controlling--shrug. She didn't try to control other people and she didn't double check on other people. And the one thing she wouldn't do is drink or do drugs…. because then she couldn't be sure she was doing things right. I would just think that if someone had to be in control, then they would want to remain sober and aware of theirselves and surroundings. The other person I know who has OCD likes to clean. And if she comes to my house she will clean it. I mean CLEAN. She'll get out cleaning chemicals and just start. And she has never been a drinker or drug user to my knowledge. Her barn is even clean enough to eat off of her floor. She dusts the stalls! So my question is if someone really has to remain in control, then why would they purposely get so inebriated that they couldn't remember anything?

 

[they'll get you]

Did I just kill the thread?

It was the threat of the incredible hulk emerging that did it anic:

:floorlaugh:

I'm still here.

 

[Whatson]

Eh.... Just up the road from the Gold Coast

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/09/18/00/07/man-charged-over-brisbane-balcony-fall

Man charged over Brisbane balcony fall



9NEWS

A man has been charged with attempted murder after another man fell 30m from the fifth floor balcony of a Brisbane building.

28-year-old Phillip Koklas remains in critical condition following the fall, which happened on Upper Roma St, in the CBD, on Sunday morning.

Police arrested a 36-year-old man yesterday afternoon, and have since charged him with attempted murder, kidnapping, and grievous bodily harm, two counts of burglary and four counts of deprivation of liberty.

He is due to appear in Brisbane Magistrates Court today.

Mr Koklas suffered a fractured skull and swelling on the brain in the incident.

Doctors say he will need most of his face reconstructed should he survive his injuries.

 

[Ausgirl]

Renee, thanks for that interesting post - I wish I'd known your friend when I had horses.. People thought me overly fussy for cleaning my tack after every ride! The thing with OCD is that one*can't* just stop those behaviours, it isn't a choice you can change or do anything about.. and it can be quite debilitating. So I am very curious as *what* OCD behaviours Tostee has. And whether they are truly OCD or just self-serving habits that an OCD diagnosis excuses, if that makes sense. Like the recording..

So my question is if someone really has to remain in control, then why would they purposely get so inebriated that they couldn't remember anything?

^ And that is a VERY good question.

I believe Tostee is happy to to have ANY excuse for his bad behaviour, as it means he can avoid being held personally responsible for his choices.

eta: I also don't believe he blacks out quite as much as he says he does. More excuses. Very handy.. I'm betting he only 'blacks out' when things don't go his way, or there might be consequences. Note how in control he remained, with Warriena, despite the vodka being poured. The only time he 'loses it' is when she she seriously challenges his control of her "I'm going to call police" - "How are you going to do that without your phone?" and then when she really looks like leaving, he goes ballistic.

eta (again, sorry, ha) : and note how the only part of the account he states repeatedly that he can't remember or "doesn't know" what happened, is the moment she fell. He remembers either side of it though. I call shenanigans on the memory loss.


Re Whatson's post about the man charged in a similar crime... WHY has Tostee not been charged with 'deprivation of liberty'???? When clearly, Rrie was asking to leave, repeatedly, and it's clear he wasn't letting her go. One charge -- murder. Which even the judge is saying will hard to prove.. it's a bit worrying, really.

 

[MsAnais]

I'm not arguing with you and I have no training or special knowledge in mental disorders, but I do know two people that really have OCD and they are nothing like him. One used to be a close friend so I saw unclose and frequently how she acted. She showed hunter/jumpers and was the girlfriend of my daughter's trainer and was in charge of the barn and scheduling shows and trips etc. Just to give an example of her OCD, you get to walk the course before you jump/show. You count strides between jumps etc. She would go out there with a notepad and write every jump down with how many strides were in between and then she would double-check and then triple check and do this as many times as she could before they told everyone to leave the course. Everything she did in life she had to check over and over to make sure it was right. So I guess if you want to call that controlling--shrug. She didn't try to control other people and she didn't double check on other people. And the one thing she wouldn't do is drink or do drugs…. because then she couldn't be sure she was doing things right. I would just think that if someone had to be in control, then they would want to remain sober and aware of theirselves and surroundings. The other person I know who has OCD likes to clean. And if she comes to my house she will clean it. I mean CLEAN. She'll get out cleaning chemicals and just start. And she has never been a drinker or drug user to my knowledge. Her barn is even clean enough to eat off of her floor. She dusts the stalls! So my question is if someone really has to remain in control, then why would they purposely get so inebriated that they couldn't remember anything?

Oh hey, Renee - I in NO way meant to imply that people with OCD are like Tostee!!!:facepalm: Sorry if it came across like that!!:blushing: I've worked with lots of OCD sufferers and they are not in any way like this guy!

What I was trying to say is that anxiety underpins OCD - and since he is diagnosed with OCD, we therefore know that he suffers from anxiety.

But this is a guy who I think has serious personality disorders such as antisocial personality disorder and/or narcissistic personality disorder. So he is in NO WAY representative of the average person with OCD.

In terms of his drinking and losing control - from the forums it sounds like he's all over the place with meds and I'm not sure he's had effective therapy to put coping mechanisms for his anxiety in place. So it doesn't surprise me so much that he would drink until he's blotto - I see that as an attempt to alleviate some of the intensely uncomfortable feelings he would be living with, kind of like a warped self-medication.

JMO though!

 

[MsAnais]

Renee, thanks for that interesting post - I wish I'd known your friend when I had horses.. People thought me overly fussy for cleaning my tack after every ride! The thing with OCD is that one*can't* just stop those behaviours, it isn't a choice you can change or do anything about.. and it can be quite debilitating. So I am very curious as *what* OCD behaviours Tostee has. And whether they are truly OCD or just self-serving habits that an OCD diagnosis excuses, if that makes sense. Like the recording..

^ And that is a VERY good question.

I believe Tostee is happy to to have ANY excuse for his bad behaviour, as it means he can avoid being held personally responsible for his choices.

eta: I also don't believe he blacks out quite as much as he says he does. More excuses. Very handy.. I'm betting he only 'blacks out' when things don't go his way, or there might be consequences. Note how in control he remained, with Warriena, despite the vodka being poured. The only time he 'loses it' is when she she seriously challenges his control of her "I'm going to call police" - "How are you going to do that without your phone?" and then when she really looks like leaving, he goes ballistic.

eta (again, sorry, ha) : and note how the only part of the account he states repeatedly that he can't remember or "doesn't know" what happened, is the moment she fell. He remembers either side of it though. I call shenanigans on the memory loss.


Re Whatson's post about the man charged in a similar crime... WHY has Tostee not been charged with 'deprivation of liberty'???? When clearly, Rrie was asking to leave, repeatedly, and it's clear he wasn't letting her go. One charge -- murder. Which even the judge is saying will hard to prove.. it's a bit worrying, really.

And yes, I too wonder how often he really truly drinks to black out stage - and how much was bragging for the brahs.

I think he may if he's alone at home to alleviate his feelings, like I said (because this guy would feel like crud inside if he let himself actually feel), but I fully buy the story of him drinking water in clubs. I think he'd try to remain in control if he's with women in particular.

He needs to be lucid to be a successful predator.:facepalm: