Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #4

[tarjessi]

I doubt that any lawyer would reccommend doing that. Perhaps a lawyer on here could clarify? When you put yourself in his shoes, potentially jeopardising your defense against a charge of murder takes priority over reaching out to the family of someone you barely knew and had an argument with. It is unlikely Tostee knew Warriena well enough to have deep feelings for her, but he did make some attempt to reach out in his recent letter.

I would have thought someone would care less about jeopardising their defence and be more concerned with reaching out to the family. If Tostee was so concerned about his defence, why write a statement on a public bodybuilding forum that could be used as further evidence against him? Not having deep feelings for someone does not negate his behaviour that night.

Anyone with a semblance of decency would have called an ambulance if she had fallen off, showed some emotion, most likely screamed themselves as she fell and gone straight outside to wait for help to arrive. How did he know she would definitely not have survived?

Who calls their lawyer 38 seconds after someone falls and shows no sign of emotion on a recording they made themselves for the entire couple of hours post fall?

Who a mere minute after someone falls off their balcony goes and (quite clearly on recording) starts moving stuff around (sort of sounds like hiding evidence), opens a bottle and shakes out what sounds like pills and proceeds to take off?

Who hides behind a pillar and watches the terrible scene? A sociopath does because they like to continue to revel in their crimes and don't want to get caught.

Tostee posted himself that he turned around and saw her (somehow hover magically) before she went over. Pretty incredible timing right there...but that aside...surely if you saw someone fall, regardless of whether you liked her all that much, if you had nothing to do with it...you would react. There was NO REACTION other than heavy breathing (as if he had exerted himself excessively during the screams and also as the screaming dramatically dropped off - as if he had held a weight for some time - such as a body over a balcony ledge) and a call to a lawyer. It makes no sense, just no sense at all.

 

[Jimmy Russel]

the top pic with pale blue shirt was Gable Tostee leaves the Surfers Paradise Police Station after being questioned for hours. Picture: JERAD WILLIAMS

Police questioned Mr Tostee for about two hours the next day and he was released without charge.


http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...-warriena-wright/story-fnje8bkv-1227020483212

the bottom pic clearly taken at night was on 9 news that pic shows where he had blood taken.

Supt Hutchinson said a 'forensic procedure order' had been carried out against Tostee, which is believed to have included blood samples and a DNA swab.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ghtclubs-acting-like-creep.html#ixzz3McI3BgW0

I could be wrong but I was under the impression, from memory, that all this occurred on the friday.

 

[Jimmy Russel]

With regards to the link above and Pistorius - his apology was not genuine or sincere and only upset the family further. If Tostee didn't write one to be oh so sensitive to the family, why did he write a public pseudo apology on a BODYBUILDING website of all places?

Maybe he had no other outlet? How would he get the contact details of Rie's family? Posting on a forum is completely different to writing a direct letter.

 

[SouthAussie]

Contact details for Rrie's mum, very easy to find .....


Dressed all in black, Beth Wright - who is a senior member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Porirua, New Zealand ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fall-death-Kiwi-tourist-Warriena-Wright.html


.... at Porirua's Seventh Day Adventist Church, where Ms Wright’s mother was a deacon.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/death-plunge-woman-precious-soul-20140810-102i1a.html

 

[they'll get you]

Tostee clearly said that he had cameras in his old Circle on Cavill apartment but not his Avalon apartment.

Where is the evidence that he ever had a webcam pointed at his bed?

I saw the Skype camera on top of the monitor in photos.

 

[Jimmy Russel]

I would have thought someone would care less about jeopardising their defence and be more concerned with reaching out to the family. If Tostee was so concerned about his defence, why write a statement on a public bodybuilding forum that could be used as further evidence against him? Not having deep feelings for someone does not negate his behaviour that night.

Anyone with a semblance of decency would have called an ambulance if she had fallen off, showed some emotion, most likely screamed themselves as she fell and gone straight outside to wait for help to arrive. How did he know she would definitely not have survived?

Who calls their lawyer 38 seconds after someone falls and shows no sign of emotion on a recording they made themselves for the entire couple of hours post fall?

Who a mere minute after someone falls off their balcony goes and (quite clearly on recording) starts moving stuff around (sort of sounds like hiding evidence), opens a bottle and shakes out what sounds like pills and proceeds to take off?

Who hides behind a pillar and watches the terrible scene? A sociopath does because they like to continue to revel in their crimes and don't want to get caught.

Tostee posted himself that he turned around and saw her (somehow hover magically) before she went over. Pretty incredible timing right there...but that aside...surely if you saw someone fall, regardless of whether you liked her all that much, if you had nothing to do with it...you would react. There was NO REACTION other than heavy breathing (as if he had exerted himself excessively during the screams and also as the screaming dramatically dropped off - as if he had held a weight for some time - such as a body over a balcony ledge) and a call to a lawyer. It makes no sense, just no sense at all.

I think it is exactly how someone who is scared and in shock would act. Tostee was no girl, nor was he some chivalrous hero. I think it is very unfair to judge how someone acts when you have never been in that situation yourself, especially with all the knowledge he didn't have at the time.

<modsnip>

As for the suggestions that she was dropped, are you suggesting dozens of detectives and forensic experts all got it wrong,<modsnip> Don't you think they would have checked the balcony railing for fingerprints consistent with a person climbing over?

 

[Jimmy Russel]

I saw the Skype camera on top of the monitor in photos.

Do you have the photo?

 

[possumheart]

I saw the Skype camera on top of the monitor in photos.

Yep, me too, on the BB forum, positioned to swing to look at his weight bench or his bed, whichever took his fancy. I believe new apartment had gym facilities in the building.

 

[possumheart]

Do you have the photo?

I do indeed

 

[possumheart]

I think it is exactly how someone who is scared and in shock would act. Tostee was no girl, nor was he some chivalrous hero. I think it is very unfair to judge how someone acts when you have never been in that situation yourself, especially with all the knowledge he didn't have at the time.

The audio is consistent with the time it took for her to climb over the edge and fall after being on the balcony.

As for the suggestions that she was dropped, are you suggesting dozens of detectives and forensic experts all got it wrong,<modsnip> Don't you think they would have checked the balcony railing for fingerprints consistent with a person climbing over?

Of course they have. <modsnip>

 

[SouthAussie]

I was reading back through Thread 1 .. a good thing to do when you need to familiarise yourself with the conversation that has preceded, and how people have arrived at their current opinions .. and I found this again.

I am sure that it has probably been discovered where that call came from by now, and when. I have always thought that it was a red herring.

"Three fire crews were also called to the unit following reports of a gas leak, but police later confirmed that it was a false alarm."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/10367377/Kiwi-dies-after-Surfers-Paradise-balcony-fall

 

[Jimmy Russel]

I do indeed

Could you please post it?

 

[they'll get you]

First of all I think it is quite unfair for any of us to speculate as to how Tostee was feeling or what he was thinking as we simply cannot know. It could be quite likely that even if he wanted to express his condolences it would have been very difficult to and his lawyer would have advised against it. How would he have been able to contact the family anyway?

When a problem gets too hard, blame someone or something else-
LIKE being hungry is far more important than ringing 000
I didn't ring 000 because I was hungry? Nah :shame:

Of course one must prioritise!

 

[tarjessi]

Maybe he had no other outlet? How would he get the contact details of Rie's family? Posting on a forum is completely different to writing a direct letter.

<modsnip> No other outlet? Tostee doesn't live under a rock and seems to be quite well versed with technology as we have seen. He managed to have Rrie's phone in his pocket "accidentally" until he finally handed himself into police and could have obtained the details at that time. More appropriately though, he could have asked his lawyers to contact them on his behalf. Not difficult to do at all. It barely requires more effort than logging onto "selfloathingbrahsanon.com" also known as bodybuilding.com.

You are totally right about posting on a forum being completely different to writing a letter...nail on head there...you just forgot to add the context in. It's easy to do...personal, private apology letter for a family who values their privacy over a pseudo apology on a public body building forum where women are regularly denigrated to make small men feel big. Pretty clear to me Jimmy...

 

[marlywings]

I thought it might be interesting to bring up some details about the case which police are comparing Warriena's alleged murder to. Very interesting!!

Murder Trial Follows Woman's 6-storey Fall

Tuesday August 2, 1988

A 33-year-old tattooist charged with murdering his girlfriend had wept when he cradled her head after she had fallen six storeys from a Kings Cross flat, the Central Criminal Court was told yesterday.

The Crown has alleged that after a violent scene in the flat, Kym William Royall, of Macquarie Fields, either forced the woman out the bathroom window or she fell because she was backing away from him in fear

As Miss Healey was taking a shower, Royall "in effect broke into the bathroom and out she went, naked, six floors down".

Mr Bannon said that if Miss Healey did jump from the window, she had been trying to get away from Royall.

http://www.tattooist.com.au/tattooist-articles/1988/8/2/murder-trial-follows-womans-6storey-fall/

 

[marlywings]

I might also add, the accused in that case was found guilty and I believe was handed a life sentence.

 

[Jimmy Russel]

When a problem gets too hard, blame someone or something else-
LIKE being hungry is far more important than ringing 000
I didn't ring 000 because I was hungry? Nah :shame:

Of course one must prioritise!

What would be the point of calling 000 if emergency vehicles were already there by the time he went downstairs?

 

[SouthAussie]

What would be the point of calling 000 if emergency vehicles were already there by the time he went downstairs?

He was apparently sure that Rrie would have died in the fall, right? So why not call 000 before he went downstairs? We seem to be going round in circles about this point.

Someone falls off your balcony, you call 000, rush down to see if there is anything you can do and to provide as much info as you can to the attending emergency staff. If police want you to come in to provide a statement, you accompany them, call your lawyer - as you are entitled to do - and inform them that you will act upon your lawyer's instruction.

Same as you would do for a mate if they had a fatal or serious accident while in your company.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I think it is exactly how someone who is scared and in shock would act. Tostee was no girl, nor was he some chivalrous hero. I think it is very unfair to judge how someone acts when you have never been in that situation yourself, especially with all the knowledge he didn't have at the time.

<modsnip>

As for the suggestions that she was dropped, are you suggesting dozens of detectives and forensic experts all got it wrong, <modsnip> Don't you think they would have checked the balcony railing for fingerprints consistent with a person climbing over?

Why would Tostee be scared? If he was in shock he would have waited in his apartment for the cops to show up. A person in shock doesn't make calls to his lawyer, to his dad, sneak out of his apartment, hide behind pillars from the cops and then go get pizza to eat like he's an innocent bystander. That's #escapingjustice101, ask any crim.

Also, while he's in the car fleeing the scene with his dad, he's talking like he's done a tiny 'boo boo' and daddy's going to make it all better. Tostee is the 'victim' once again for the umpteenth time, how pathetic for a 28 yr old man.

A young woman he brought to his apartment died and he feels no responsibility? No, that's not it, he knows he's responsible, that explains his behaviour.

JMO

 

[Jimmy Russel]

He was apparently sure that Rrie would have died in the fall, right? So why not call 000 before he went downstairs? We seem to be going round in circles about this point.

Someone falls off your balcony, you call 000, rush down to see if there is anything you can do and to provide as much info as you can to the attending emergency staff. If police want you to come in to provide a statement, you accompany them, call your lawyer - as you are entitled to do - and inform them that you will act upon your lawyer's instruction.

Same as you would do for a mate if they had a fatal or serious accident while in your company.

<modsnip>

In his situation you would have to be crazy to surrender yourself to police without legal representation after someone you had just met had died after you had an argument with them. He would have been taken into custody, held for hours until his lawyer woke up and likely pressured into talking. He was also probably quite intoxicated and not in the best frame of mind.