Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #5

[SouthAussie]

Perhaps a part of the issue was the that the "child" in question was already heading for court, being on two separate lots of charges, at least one of them over crimes committed while already on bail, just a month or so before.

RSBM: Yes, and maybe he didn't want to face police - just then - because maybe he was not allowed to consume alcohol, as per his previous bail conditions? The conditions he broke in July (and who knows how many other times that are unknown).

 

[they'll get you]

His father would probably have been a good option. Dad can you come to Avalon I might have a situation. imo

RBBM

Mr T Snr being woken in the middle of the night.
Was this a common occurrence?
Was dad called after the high speed driving 'situation' as well?

Ooops was it just another 'situation'?

I can think so many better words that describe an emergency.

 

[they'll get you]

He may, too, have a parent that has enabled this self-focus. One that perhaps said something like "Don't worry about a girl possibly dying, let's just worry about you, right now".

I still believe that many/most parents would have picked their child up, accompanied them to the police station right then and there, found out how Warriena was, sat with their child until his lawyer arrived. Instead of waiting 7½ hours to go to the police. I think that many/most parents would understand how bad that would look for their child. The police could not have insisted that Tostee speak without a lawyer present, and at least it may have shown a modicum of concern - by both of them.

:goodpost::stormingmad::yeahthat:

 

[Ausgirl]

Just FYI, there's been a breakthrough in the Novy Chardon case! Police searching for her remains, presently.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...don-34-Upper-Coomera-Qld-6th-Feb-2013-2/page5

 

[SouthAussie]

Just FYI, there's been a breakthrough in the Novy Chardon case! Police searching for her remains, presently.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...don-34-Upper-Coomera-Qld-6th-Feb-2013-2/page5

OMG ... thanks Ausgirl! lease:

 

[Bicept]

The minimisation would be hilarious, except it's not... "disappeared" off the balcony.. like he went "ooh" and scratched his head in utter befuddlement as to her fate. What utter BS. He KNEW she'd fallen (which I firmly believe will be 100% proven in court, if it helps the prosecution's case against him), he crapped himself and acted like an utter coward, concerned only with the consequences for himself.

How could he possibly know? Warriena bragged of being a ninja, knowing mauy thai, it's possible she could have made it to another balcony for all he knew. Not saying he wouldn't have suspected she fell all the way, but let's not pretend a person in his position at the time wouldn't have been at all confused.

This also brings up the question, if you're suggesting Warriena's attempt at scaling the balcony could only result in certain death with no chance of making it anywhere safely, how could Tostee's actions possibly have justified such a decision? There is nothing to suggest he was going to come out on the balcony and harm her, let alone to the point that a near suicidal risk was justified by her.

 

[Bicept]

Something else that I have been wondering - what were the bail conditions that were put in place after the January 2014 incident? Did his massive 7½ hr delay in attending a police station after Rrie's death involve avoiding further charges for breaking those bail conditions? Were they something to do with alcohol consumption (hence, drinking water in public bars)? They couldn't have been to do with driving, as he was not driving in the January incident.

7 hours would have been the soonest he was able to attend with a lawyer. Why would he have spent 7 hours avoiding a charge? What charge?

Drinking water in a bar isn't an indication of sobriety, it's an indication of thirst. He probably drank at home (especially if he made his own alcohol) then walked to the bars. Drinks in clubs and bars are expensive.

RSBM: Yes, and maybe he didn't want to face police - just then - because maybe he was not allowed to consume alcohol, as per his previous bail conditions? The conditions he broke in July (and who knows how many other times that are unknown).

For public nuisance people usually get a watchhouse bail, which just states you're not allowed to commit further offences. They don't attach non-drinking provisions for watchhouse bail. He was clearly still drinking up until the night Warriena died. His breach of bail would have been for committing the driving offences in NSW.

 

[Ausgirl]

There's an excuse for absolutely everything, isn't there.

 

[SouthAussie]

There's an excuse for absolutely everything, isn't there.

:yes:

 

[enzeder]

Tostee was arrested on Friday on the Gold Coast and charged with murder​

Image: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fall-death-Kiwi-tourist-Warriena-Wright.html

 

[Amee]

A six-page medical report tendered on Monday detailed a series of scratches, abrasions, red marks and scabs found on Mr Tostee's body on August 8

However the doctor said it was not possible to conclusively say how the injuries were caused because Mr Tostee refused to participate in a police interview.

Dr van Buuren said some injuries were unrelated to the apartment incident, and it was even possible some scratches were self-inflicted

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...en-caused-by-fingernails-20140908-10e13a.html

 

[Amee]

2.24.13am: Call to deceased.

2.49am: Screen shot taken of phone with images of deceased. Call to deceased.

3.29am: Call continues. Male: Hang on a sec. What the (expletive). What the (expletive) is this ... you know how I said there was something in my pocket. Well it is her phone in my pocket.”

Dad: “Is it her phone?”

Male: “It is her phone, yeah

3.48.30am: Male: “I wish that I had cameras in my unit. I have audio. I tried calling her phone.” Dad: “Don’t call her phone.”

3.49am: Call is made to phone and goes to message bank. Dad: “What are you doing, why did you do that?” Male: “I don’t know.”

3.50am: Call to deceased.

3.51.30am: Call to deceased.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...leged-recordings/story-fnje8bkv-1227053364751

 

[SouthAussie]

2.24.13am: Call to deceased.

2.49am: Screen shot taken of phone with images of deceased. Call to deceased.

3.29am: Call continues. Male: Hang on a sec. What the (expletive). What the (expletive) is this ... you know how I said there was something in my pocket. Well it is her phone in my pocket.”

Dad: “Is it her phone?”

Male: “It is her phone, yeah

3.48.30am: Male: “I wish that I had cameras in my unit. I have audio. I tried calling her phone.” Dad: “Don’t call her phone.”

3.49am: Call is made to phone and goes to message bank. Dad: “What are you doing, why did you do that?” Male: “I don’t know.”

3.50am: Call to deceased.

3.51.30am: Call to deceased.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...leged-recordings/story-fnje8bkv-1227053364751

And the time of Rrie's death was approx 2:20am ...so within 4 mins he was ringing her phone, was he maybe trying to quickly locate it in his apartment so he could take it with him? He was dressed and ready to go by the time he first called Rrie's phone, but had not yet left the apartment.


2.23.30am: 'Oh my god.' Sounds of getting dressed, pulling jeans up, belt etc.
2.26am: Sound of sirens in the background.
2.26.30am: Sound of lift button.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-final-struggle-plus-happened-afterwards.html

 

[sosocurious]

I suppose that's why he eventually did after trying his lawyer without success. It's not the kind of call you'd want to hear from your son in the middle of the night, perhaps he didn't want to alarm his father unless he had no other option.

3:23 am: Hello Dad I might have a bit of a situation ..........

This is an hour later.
There is no I don't want to alarm you but I .......
OR
I am sorry for phoning you in the middle of the night but I ....

No just - "hello dad I might have a bit of a situation"

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

 

[enzeder]

3:23 am: Hello Dad I might have a bit of a situation ..........

This is an hour later.
There is no I don't want to alarm you but I .......
OR
I am sorry for phoning you in the middle of the night but I ....

No just - "hello dad I might have a bit of a situation"

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

BBM - Par for the course imo.

 

[enzeder]

That stuff on BB makes me shudder and my hair stand on end!
He's definitely got whole areas of development missing. imo
I agree with everyone - immaturity central!
Sometimes those guys on BB pick his deficiencies straight away, but he just carries on obliviously.
His accounts of the young women he meets are denigrating sexist and aggressively sexual.
He has zilch in the personality department!
Not a good look.
I was going to write a list of 'off' behaviour, but decided it would take forever lol.
Regardless of what we say, he'll either excuse, minimise, blame, or otherwise not take the responsible he was so passionate about in his letter to the police! imo
Quite ominously his self awareness is so impeded, that he fails to understand that obsessively posting details corrections precision all form the consistent patterns of behaviour he apparently denies. imo
There is a huge disconnect going on somewhere that allows him to behave indiscriminately, and it makes me wonder if there is some (sub-conscious) parental concession to his acting out like an adolescent?
I suspect that parental cohesion is not in agreement regarding his behaviour. Somebody excuses him, probably dad. imo

BBM

"Male: “I didn’t cause this, like I didn’t push her. There are a million cops in the area.”

Dad: “I’ll come and get you OK?”

Male: “It is really (expletive) up. I am like at Dominos. Dad, like this is not my fault.”

3.25am: Call continues ... “I don’t know, like I tackled her on my floor inside the building and I never forced her over the balcony.”

Dad: I am sure you wouldn’t, mate.”"

http://www.news.com.au/national/war...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

 

[enzeder]

Public Prosecutor Ben Power

"Mr Power said submissions that Tostee’s offending was caused by alcohol were not borne out by the evidence and that Gray Tostee’s actions on the night, in helping his son avoid immediate police attention, were “significant”."

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...trict-conditions/story-fnj94j0t-1227127491700

 

[Amee]

"Gable seemed to get into some difficult situations due to alcohol, and sometimes legal issues arose," he wrote

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostee-ashamed-of-himself-20141203-11z3v2.html

 

[Amee]

4.07-4.15am - The pair discuss where Dad will park the car. Gable says it should be stopped in a residential area and not a shopping centre because "they will do patrols".

Gable Tostee expresses his anxiety about contacting their lawyer and about his father stopping the car at a service station or shopping centre, saying 'just go to a house, there are cameras at servos' and 'just like park next to some bushes ... park on the street next to a fence that way no one will see'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ble-Tostee-s-arrest-murder.html#ixzz3Q52gODIJ
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostees-apartment-balcony-20140908-10e4zm.html

 

[sosocurious]

"Gable seemed to get into some difficult situations due to alcohol, and sometimes legal issues arose," he wrote

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostee-ashamed-of-himself-20141203-11z3v2.html

It is interesting both use the word situation.

The legal issues that have been reported are more than situations. imo