Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #5

[Bicept]

They certainly didn't, in Tostee's case.

http://www.qt.com.au/news/sunshine-coast-murder-accused-no-clubbing-court/2391973/

Apparently, all one needs in order to circumvent the 'no bail for murder charges' issue is an alcohol problem -- and Debra Mullins.

Please elaborate. Who has been granted bail on a murder charge due to an alcohol problem?

 

[Bicept]

Oh, and ...



No, it doesn't.

If she climbed over trying to escape then logically it was she who put herself over the balcony, not Tostee.

 

[Ausgirl]

Another Mullins moment:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-07-24/father-accused-of-killing-twin-toddlers-granted/450812

 

[Ausgirl]

If she climbed over trying to escape then logically it was she who put herself over the balcony, not Tostee.

If, indeed.

 

[enzeder]

Is your move everything you anticipated? I'd want to move too if my sammich wasn't being bought elsewhere.

 

[sosocurious]

No witness that we know of saw Tostee on the balcony or suggested that he had any role in WW going over the balcony.

The prosecution states that she climbed over while Tostee was inside, and that is what they are proceeding with, so any alternate theories have no bearing on the reality of the matter or its outcome. I think we should stick to discussing fact, not fiction.

Reality of the matter is both the prosecution and the defence are relying on Tostee's mobile phone recording.
That could possibly change with further investigation. imo

Tostee's lawyer Ms Ryan said Ms Wright may have been "scared fiercely" that she was going to be thrown off the balcony, but that threat was never realised.

Scared fiercely -- this is the defence.




http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...127014258?nk=1a62ecc220097090d19c8f3fe21e945c

 

[Bicept]

If, indeed.

It's what the prosecution says. If you have some ground breaking revelation maybe you should contact them.

 

[Bicept]

Reality of the matter is both the prosecution and the defence are relying on Tostee's mobile phone recording.
That could possibly change with further investigation. imo

Presumably, fingerprints on the balcony rail would have confirmed that she climbed over herself. A lack of such evidence was one of the main reasons for Simon Gittany's verdict for example.

Fingerprints were done in the first few weeks before the apartment was handed back, so there is no further forensic investigation.

 

[sosocurious]

Presumably, fingerprints on the balcony rail would have confirmed that she climbed over herself. A lack of such evidence was one of the main reasons for Simon Gittany's verdict for example.

Fingerprints were done in the first few weeks before the apartment was handed back, so there is no further forensic investigation.

So much more to an investigation than fingerprints. imo

 

[Bicept]

So much more to an investigation than fingerprints. imo

This case is more a question of law (ie. how culpable was the accused?) rather than a question of fact, since both the prosecution and the defense appear to agree on the series of events.

 

[Snoods]

Actually, the prosecutor says he locked her out and she climbed over trying to escape. That rules out any possibility that Tostee assisted her over the balcony.

And when have police ever agreed to bail on a murder charge?

The bail act considers the strength of the case against the accused as a factor in determining whether bail is granted.

BBM Really? These are two I remember off the top of my head. I can give you many more examples even though I know they have been provided to you before when you posed this same question.

The Sydney hostage siege killer. He and his girlfriend were charged with stabbing and setting his wife on fire, killing her. He and his girlfriend were both out on bail.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sy...-was-charged-ex-wifes-torching-murder-n268736

Andrew Devine, was out on bail before he was sentenced for murdering his wife Janene.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...766337804?nk=243300463ccd650c75d3a9628f45d1c4

 

[Snoods]

Omg!! Someone shut the WS door and lock it!! please ....:gaah:

I just peeked through the window and I saw peeps sitting around in their undies

Am I at the wrong house? :floorlaugh:

 

[Gecko100]

If, indeed.

Hi all:greetings:,
I tend to be onside with many posters here. Hope you don't mind me jumping off your post Ausgirl, I have read yours with interest.
What puzzles me a bit with this young man is his obvious intelligence, but apparent lack of personal insight.

He appears to get stuff on an intellectual basis but cannot fathom his effect on people, or maybe doesn't care.
He almost can't help it, there's a point to be made and he must be right. He does not appreciate opposition.

The dynamics in their house must be interesting, I think mum has a powerful position and she has clearly made her thoughts known to him. She expects him to be a disaster and he is...imo
He really can't help himself. There's a number of diagnostic criteria he could fit, but I'm pretty sure we would all agree one stands out. I would like to know more about his early life, which will no doubt be raised in sentencing reports. imo

 

[Bicept]

BBM Really? These are two I remember off the top of my head. I can give you many more examples even though I know they have been provided to you before when you posed this same question.

The Sydney hostage siege killer. He and his girlfriend were charged with stabbing and setting his wife on fire, killing her. He and his girlfriend were both out on bail.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sy...-was-charged-ex-wifes-torching-murder-n268736

Andrew Devine, was out on bail before he was sentenced for murdering his wife Janene.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...766337804?nk=243300463ccd650c75d3a9628f45d1c4

Where does it say the police didn't oppose bail?

 

[Bicept]

Hi all:greetings:,
I tend to be onside with many posters here. Hope you don't mind me jumping off your post Ausgirl, I have read yours with interest.
What puzzles me a bit with this young man is his obvious intelligence, but apparent lack of personal insight.

He appears to get stuff on an intellectual basis but cannot fathom his effect on people, or maybe doesn't care.
He almost can't help it, there's a point to be made and he must be right. He does not appreciate opposition.

The dynamics in their house must be interesting, I think mum has a powerful position and she has clearly made her thoughts known to him. She expects him to be a disaster and he is...imo
He really can't help himself. There's a number of diagnostic criteria he could fit, but I'm pretty sure we would all agree one stands out. I would like to know more about his early life, which will no doubt be raised in sentencing reports. imo

You seem to know quite a lot about him. Do you know him personally?

 

[Snoods]

Hi all:greetings:,
I tend to be onside with many posters here. Hope you don't mind me jumping off your post Ausgirl, I have read yours with interest.
What puzzles me a bit with this young man is his obvious intelligence, but apparent lack of personal insight.

He appears to get stuff on an intellectual basis but cannot fathom his effect on people, or maybe doesn't care.
He almost can't help it, there's a point to be made and he must be right. He does not appreciate opposition.

The dynamics in their house must be interesting, I think mum has a powerful position and she has clearly made her thoughts known to him. She expects him to be a disaster and he is...imo
He really can't help himself. There's a number of diagnostic criteria he could fit, but I'm pretty sure we would all agree one stands out. I would like to know more about his early life, which will no doubt be raised in sentencing reports. imo

Welcome to the thread, Gecko100! :welcome: Great first post, very insightful! Ausgirl does have many wonderful posts, doesn't she?

I too am also interested in the personal dynamics of Tostee and his relationships with others. He has always come across as very shallow in all of his online BBF postings. The only kindness I've seen him display was with a bug, and even that I believe was only done to receive reps from his brahs.

What did I miss in regards to his mother's position with her son? I'd love to hear your thoughts!

 

[Snoods]

Where does it say the police didn't oppose bail?

A bail agreement is an agreement between the Crown and the person required to be at his or her court hearings and to obey any special conditions set by the court.

Is that why you worded it the way you did? Funny!

If you are just here for semantics games I really don't want to play. Move along.

 

[Gecko100]

Welcome to the thread, Gecko100! :welcome: Great first post, very insightful! Ausgirl does have many wonderful posts, doesn't she?

I too am also interested in the personal dynamics of Tostee and his relationships with others. He has always come across as very shallow in all of his online BBF postings. The only kindness I've seen him display was with a bug, and even that I believe was only done to receive reps from his brahs.

What did I miss in regards to his mother's position with her son? I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Thank-you Snoods. I seem to recall him saying to Ms Wright that his mother thought he was a loser.
So in her eyes at least he has not lived up to his potential. He talks bravado/machismo to hide behind.
He's not that in control, he's impulsive and reckless.
Shallowness and rage are obvious, and he can't help himself because he's not equipped to. imo

 

[Bicept]

A bail agreement is an agreement between the Crown and the person required to be at his or her court hearings and to obey any special conditions set by the court.

Is that why you worded it the way you did? Funny!

If you are just here for semantics games I really don't want to play. Move along.

No it isn't, bail is an order granted by the court. It can be granted if police oppose it as in Tostee's case. I have never heard of police agreeing to bail for a murder charge.

I'm not here to play semantics, I make my points perfectly clear in plain english.

 

[Bicept]

Thank-you Snoods. I seem to recall him saying to Ms Wright that his mother thought he was a loser.
So in her eyes at least he has not lived up to his potential. He talks bravado/machismo to hide behind.
He's not that in control, he's impulsive and reckless.
Shallowness and rage are obvious. imo

It was actually Warriena who said that about her own mother.