Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #5

[FigTree]

Not to mention the investigation pretty much IS complete, since all they are waiting on now is Tinder logs, which will most likely be irrelevant in a trial anyway.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...from-his-balcony/story-fnihsrf2-1227181972488

My bold above.

I dont think that is the case if Police have found information relevant to the case - it can be in the form of posts relating to bullying, sexting, false identity, or anything they feel is relevant.
Social media can be used in a Court of Law in Qld Australia.
The Tinder logs can verify the contact and identity of people who have interacted with Tostee online, if Police have necessity to contact them or if the posters voluntarily hand over information relevant to the case.

Did you know that even if you’re careful about your privacy settings, police and others may be able to gain access to the information you post?

sipped by me...
As explained above, police generally need a warrant to search through your property. Under Queensland law, a warrant can require you to tell the police your login details so that they can access, examine and copy any stored information.

Search warrants may also require websites such as Facebook or Twitter to reveal information from your private account.
Many websites have policies in place to deal with search warrants.
For example, Facebook and Twitter have privacy rules that say that the personal information of its users will be given where that information is required to meet any law enforcement request.
The information about users will be given to police even if the users have their profiles set to private.
Police officers are able to apply for a ‘covert’ search warrant, which allows them to search through your property without your knowledge.

- See more at: http://www.lawstuff.org.au/qld_law/topics/article21#sthash.MUFGurT2.dpuf

 

[FigTree]

He did not flee, he walked. In any case, it's irrelevant, it has nothing to do with the charges.

Bolded by me.
Weather he walked, ran, or skipped - he left the scene knowingly - not to get help relating to the incident.
I would assume it a consideration in this case - regardless if there is a charge or not currently pending.

 

[Celest]

When this young man gets out of jail, I wonder if he will have matured?
It seems unlikely since his habits are somewhat entrenched.

It's clearly obvious what he thinks about women, it's also old fashioned and sounds like he's repeating something a man might have said in the 1950's.
I wonder if his grandparents are still alive?
Don't they come from overseas?
The saddest thing is nobody is proud of an adult child going about creating misery and pain just because he can to satisfy him - no-one else.

I doubt he will go to jail at all - he has nothing to answer for. the charges are very weak and tenuous at best.

His grandparent are irrelevant. And what misery and pain has he caused to other people? Evidence?

 

[SouthAussie]

Bolded by me.
Weather he walked, ran, or skipped - he left the scene knowingly - not to get help relating to the incident.
I would assume it a consideration in this case - regardless if there is a charge or not currently pending.

I agree, FigTree. Fleeing the scene indicates a level of responsibility (correctly) felt by Tostee.

No responsibility at all = no need to flee
No responsibility at all = no need to call lawyer
No responsibility at all = no need to hide in car with father

He knew he should not have assaulted Rrie then forced her onto his balcony, and locked the door. He knew that he should have dealt with the situation in a different manner (too many ways to list here, and we've been through them all before). He knew it then. He knows it now. He did not care, and he said so. But now he cares, now that he has been charged with her murder.

And the tired old excuses of 'the police would have tried to pin something on me' ... 'the police are crooked yobos' ... blah, blah, blah. That is NOT going to wash in court.

 

[SouthAussie]

That is all your opinion only. Times have changed , and markedly so.

Please get your history books out and look back 50 years ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie
Love and sex

 

[Ausgirl]

<modsnip>

However many women he's had in apartment, and however many of those he managed to bed, there's a lot in his posts online to suggest that he doesn't actually have that much of a rapport with women face to face, nor can he maintain a rapport with more than a handful of women, past what it takes to get them to have sex with him (allowing for some to not need convincing at all). He whines in post after post about women not replying, cutting him off, blocking him, going cold on him after meeting up, refusing to have sex with him once they do meet up, or losing interest immediately after sex. He whines about not being able to feel aroused by women he's slept with for more than a few days, citing a week as the outer limit of that, even if he does 'like' them. He time and again appeals to his forum for advice on how to handle one sort of rejection or the other, and speaks of repeatedly messaging women who have made it plain they are not interested in him. He describes trawling bars in the small hours for sex, and not finding any takers. When his source of pick-ups is removed via multiple bans from clubs, he takes to enlisting forum members to harass female bar staff online, when this is apparently some of the behaviour that got him banned in the first place.

None of this says 'rapport' to me. Rather, it says, "emotionally retarded'.

<modsnip>

Not at all. Just, we cannot discuss the recording at all, outside of what's in the media. So I'm stating an assumption based on the transcript alone, that that some of that nastiness he spouted at Warriena was louder than other bits. Anyway, the idea of the following:

-- 'you are f***ing insane'.
-- This is f***ing bull**** ... you are lucky I haven't chucked you off my balcony you god damn psycho little b**** ... who the f*** do you think you ..'
-- I am f***ing sick of this s***. You're a god damn psycho.
-- I'll knock you out, I'll knock you the f*** out.
-- Shut your filthy mouth.'

.... being "calm" is ridiculous. If any or all of that was spoken in quiet, collected tones, my immediate thought would be 'barely suppressed rage', rather than 'wow this guy really has himself under control!"

 

[emirates1957]

<modsnip>

As a mother to Gen Y children. I would have to disagree. Oh sure we have all had random hook ups ... And yes even in my day. Managing airline staff over 3 decades, working with a vast amount of people from diverse backgrounds and religions. I have never ever met anybody quite like Mr Tostee, and yes I can only go from what I have read. Half of our male cabin crew are on grinder daily. I'm sure I could speak for many of us on this forum it would take a hell of a lot to shock or stun. I could tell Tostee a few little stories that would make his hair curl. And at the end of the day, the majority of people I have met/worked with/slept with are looking for something far more compelling than the random root! And what none of those 150 women have hung around, that to me speaks volumes.

 

[SouthAussie]

As a mother to Gen Y children. I would have to disagree. Oh sure we have all had random hook ups ... And yes even in my day. Managing airline staff over 3 decades, working with a vast amount of people from diverse backgrounds and religions. I have never ever met anybody quite like Mr Tostee, and yes I can only go from what I have read. Half of our male cabin crew are on grinder daily. I'm sure I could speak for many of us on this forum it would take a hell of a lot to shock or stun. I could tell Tostee a few little stories that would make his hair curl. And at the end of the day, the majority of people I have met/worked with/slept with are looking for something far more compelling than the random root! And what none of those 150 women have hung around, that to me speaks volumes.

Yep ... and Tostee's randoms didn't even want to be friends with benefits. Now, what does that say?

 

[Ausgirl]

Tostee aside, for a moment. I was only observing the other day how all the kids I know (a decade down from Tostee) are in or seeking long-term relationships.

Perhaps it's a regional thing. Perhaps generational, as well. Whatever the case, there is certainly a trend toward maintaining relationships in this neck of the woods.

 

[Ausgirl]

Then you've unknowingly assaulted a whole raft of people yourself using the strict interpretation of that law.. .

Perhaps. But then, I have not 'vicously kicked out' at any policemen while resisting arrest. If I did, I'd be absolutely floored if I was NOT charged with assaulting an officer.

 

[emirates1957]

Had my sons 26th birthday party last Saturday night. There would have been around 50, 25-29 year olds. Fabulous bunch of people. There were probably about 8 of those that were still out playing hard, whilst the others were in relationships some committed others not. In the 80's I had a lot of male gay friends, they were animalistic in their behaviour. All of whom are in long term relationships. My thoughts only, I do not believe Mr Tostee could maintain a relationship. I also feel for his family members, it must be a living hell for all.

 

[Bicept]

And what none of those 150 women have hung around, that to me speaks volumes.

Yep ... and Tostee's randoms didn't even want to be friends with benefits. Now, what does that say?

(modsnip)

Also, he stated the 150 were from clubs alone, and he had been on Tinder for over a year. Police say he had been in contact with 250 women since march.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...rotest-innocence/story-fnihsrf2-1227057121074

 

[Amee]

:waiting: His case was adjourned to March 13 where it is scheduled to appear in the same court.

 

[Ausgirl]

Your immediate thought is irrelevant, the objective fact is that he kept his cool 99% of the time. If you're going to cherry pick, why don't we point out all the nasty things that came from WW? You can't simply ignore one side, and the court won't either.

You can think it's irrelevant, nothing I can do or particularly wish to do about that.

You go on repeatedly here, about he kept his cool during the majority of the night. I actually agree with you, he does seem not terribly bothered by Warriena's behaviour (he DOES repeatedly ask her to stay, after all...), up until the point she says he sounds like a f___ and then states she needs a poo. The contrast is remarkable, from one moment to the next, in his demeanour and language. Which is interesting.

I am not trying to claim Warriena was all sweetness and light. I was commenting on their comparative levels of rage, in those crucial last few minutes of her life.

 

[Ausgirl]

Had my sons 26th birthday party last Saturday night. There would have been around 50, 25-29 year olds. Fabulous bunch of people. There were probably about 8 of those that were still out playing hard, whilst the others were in relationships some committed others not. In the 80's I had a lot of male gay friends, they were animalistic in their behaviour. All of whom are in long term relationships. My thoughts only, I do not believe Mr Tostee could maintain a relationship. I also feel for his family members, it must be a living hell for all.

em, what gets me is, in the crowd of kids (some years younger than your own) that come to my place, the very few guys (and girls) who are playas and proud who are known to them are viewed pretty dimly by the majority of their peers. And few of the parents are wowser types, myself being probably on the far polar end of that spectrum, so it's not like they've all had moral-majority thinking pounded into their little heads.

Perhaps the next demi-generation have just had a gutful of the playa mentality. I really dunno. But as a parent, I can't help feeling rather grateful for it. Not a moral judgement. More a concern with safety and health than anything.

 

[emirates1957]

em, what gets me is, in the crowd of kids (some years younger than your own) that come to my place, the very few guys (and girls) who are playas and proud who are known to them are viewed pretty dimly by the majority of their peers. And few of the parents are wowser types, myself being probably on the far polar end of that spectrum, so it's not like they've all had moral-majority thinking pounded into their little heads.

Perhaps the next demi-generation have just had a gutful of the playa mentality. I really dunno. But as a parent, I can't help feeling rather grateful for it. Not a moral judgement. More a concern with safety and health than anything.

Oh I am so hearing you !!!! I have been hosting my kids birthday parties from the age of 10. In their teens we may have had up to 70 kids. We have a large chiminea and spa in the backyard. The saying was what is said around the chiminea/spa is confidential, consequently the stories that were told were quite amusing. I can remember the wowsers!!! Casting my thoughts back I considered them to be highly insecure, and still are to this very day.

 

[sosocurious]

Bolded by me.
Weather he walked, ran, or skipped - he left the scene knowingly - not to get help relating to the incident.
I would assume it a consideration in this case - regardless if there is a charge or not currently pending.

The first msn article posted back in thread 1

In all cases like this any sudden death which can't be explained we treat as suspicious right from the start to ensure we determine what has occurred..........

Police arrived a short time later but Mr Tostee had left the scene.

He handed himself to police 11am yesterday and was questioned for two hours..............

It is understood he was uncooperative with police during the interview and was later taken for forensic testing.

If Tostee was defending himself from R'rie and felt he was not responsible why was he uncooperative with the police some 9 hours later?

He had legal representation, he started that ball rolling before he had left the scene.
He had eaten pizza to relieve his hunger and anxiety.
He was aware that he had recorded the evening.
He was aware he had R'rie's i phones. Why?

I agree Figtree that Tostee leaving the scene would be a very significant consideration in the case.
Particularly given what neighbours had reported hearing.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...e-via-dating-app/story-fnj94idh-1227018529845

 

[Amee]

CCTV footage obtained by police allegedly shows Tostee in the building foyer soon after the tragedy.

Police will allege he hid behind a pillar as police surrounded Ms Wright&#8217;s body and can be seen pacing backwards and forwards.

He then allegedly got back into the lift, rode to the basement and left the building.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...n-the-gold-coast/story-fnihsrf2-1227026801082

 

[Gecko100]

Eric Eriksonhttps://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FErikson%2527s_stages_of_psychosocial_development&ei=LwPHVMvUGovy8gXp-oHoBQ&usg=AFQjCNHkl3KMuUu0TlnNXRO_XD6p1Yy6HA&sig2=sqwMgXiqTE-HgBaCSuFRQg.
Erikson the notable psychologist responsible for this taxonomy of psychosocial development, suggest that by the age of 30, young adults have entered the stages of intimacy vs isolation , and it is during this stage that questions arise regarding our ability to love and be loved.
Love: Intimacy vs. Isolation (young adulthood, 20&#8211;24, or 20&#8211;39 years)[edit]
''Existential Question: Can I Love?
The Intimacy vs. Isolation conflict is emphasized around the age of 30. At the start of this stage, identity vs. role confusion is coming to an end, though it still lingers at the foundation of the stage (Erikson, 1950). Young adults are still eager to blend their identities with friends. They want to fit in. Erikson believes we are sometimes isolated due to intimacy. We are afraid of rejections such as being turned down or our partners breaking up with us. We are familiar with pain, and to some of us, rejection is painful; our egos cannot bear the pain.[11][12] Erikson also argues that "Intimacy has a counterpart: Distantiation: the readiness to isolate and if necessary, to destroy those forces and people whose essence seems dangerous to our own, and whose territory seems to encroach on the extent of one's intimate relations" (1950).

Once people have established their identities, they are ready to make long-term commitments to others. They become capable of forming intimate, reciprocal relationships (e.g. through close friendships or marriage) and willingly make the sacrifices and compromises that such relationships require. If people cannot form these intimate relationships &#8211; perhaps because of their own needs &#8211; a sense of isolation may result; arousing feelings of darkness and angst.''
Of course successful passage through this stage is predicated on successfully traversing previous stages or internal conflict and a fragmented ego is indicated. imo

No great surprises there then. Often people get stuck in stages and can't complete them for various reasons, but it will affect maturation and will have behavioural consequences for the individual. imo

 

[Ausgirl]

^ This is interesting, thanks!

Tostee himself admitted being somewhat socially retarded at age 20, citing his earlier legal troubles as the reason why he 'lost all his friends' (presumably his cohorts in the ID fraud case) and became a 'hermit' for five years, with no girls at all in the picture. Which seems a bit weird to me, but at least he wasn't out doing anyone a damage.

Then around 2009-10 (iirc) he meets up with an 'old friend' (one of these guys from the ID thing?) and suddenly is encouraged to go out and party, blossoming into the charming specimen we see today.

He's self-aware enough (or has paid enough attention in therapy) to observe that (much like people who do prison sentences in their youth) his development has been delayed by his 'hermit' stage. So perhaps the whole 30-yo benchmark stuff is a ways off for him yet. More's the pity, should he happen to somehow walk free from this and other charges.

I just found a pile of links relevant to some of my observations, in no particular order:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130438173&page=2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=139776263
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154521133
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=151086163&page=1
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145548821&page=5
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121423371