Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #6

[Elde Fruit]

An ambulance!

They were already there.

 

[Elde Fruit]

Not so sure the jury will see it that way though.
As I said before, an ounce of compassion or care would have gone a long way then (with police), and a long way right now, in the trial.

Or painted as a fake weaper. No win, either way.

 

[Trooper]

I find it extraordinarily suspicious that he actually takes 60 seconds before he starts dialing Potts the lawyer. what was he doing?.. I think , ,by the sounds on the recording , he was unscrewing the telescope, he had decided that would be the weapon that she used to 'attack' him, but being Gabe, he couldn't bring himself to give himself an almighty thud over the head himself, he couldn't do it to his own precious face, but that is precisely what he needed to do, and didn't.

That's what is going to sink him.

 

[Elde Fruit]

within a minute of Warriena falling they were already there? Do you have a link please?

He would have observed that when he did the 'Elvis' and left the building. He confirmed it in the phone call to his Dad.

 

[Ausgirl]

He phoned Warriena's mobile phone from his dad's car. If he knew she was deceased at the time, why would he phone? Who does that?

Here's the (very bizarre) call activity in the moments after Warriena fell:

2.21.50am: Male makes call to lawyer Mick Purcell. Call made from handset. “(Expletive).” Call not connected.


2.22am: Male: “Where the (expletive) are my keys?”


2.23am: “Expletive, expletive, expletive.”


2.23.30am: “Oh my god.” Sound of getting dressed, pulling jeans up.


2.26am: Sound of sirens in the background.


2.26.30am: Sound of lift button.


2.28.30am: Walking noises. Footsteps.


2.39.30am: Walking stops.

2.24.13am: Call to deceased.


2.42am: Walking starts again.


2.47am: Call to Purcell.


2.49am: Screen shot taken of phone with images of deceased. Call to deceased.


3.10.30am: Male: “Um a piece of supreme please.”


3.11.30am: Paper rustling. (Eating pizza).



3.23am: Makes phone call. “Hello dad. I might have a bit of a situation. See um I met up with a girl for a date tonight and she started getting really aggressive. It was all right at first and like we, you know, had sex in bed and she kept drinking. We were both drinking and I think that she thought that it was like a joke or something and she kept like beating me up and whatever. It was cos she was really drunk and whatever and I like forced her out on the balcony and I think that she might have jumped off.”


Dad: “Oh no.”


3.23.30am: Male: “Like I have been walking around and there are a million cops around my building. I’m (expletive). I don’t know what to do.”


Dad: “Where are you? At your unit?”


Male: “I didn’t cause this, like I didn’t push her. There are a million cops in the area.”


Dad: “I’ll come and get you OK?”


Male: “It is really (expletive) up. I am like at Dominos. Dad, like this is not my fault.”


3.25am: Call continues ... “I don’t know, like I tackled her on my floor inside the building and I never forced her over the balcony.”


Dad: I am sure you wouldn’t, mate.”


Male: I don’t know what the (expletive) happened, it is crazy. I swear to god I didn’t push her, I just chucked her out on the balcony and locked the door because she was beating me up.”


Dad: “I’ll come over now OK?”


3.29am: Call continues. Male: Hang on a sec. What the (expletive). What the (expletive) is this ... you know how I said there was something in my pocket. Well it is her phone in my pocket.”


Dad: “Is it her phone?”


Male: “It is her phone, yeah ... Dad like what happened was we were drinking and we got into bed together then and after that she just kept drinking and she just kept like I don’t know she was just like beating me up. She thought it was funny or something and I was just like tackled her in the middle of my apartment and I said that it wasn’t funny anymore and blah blah blah.

“Then when I let her go the last thing I remember was she was on the balcony and I don’t know if she jumped or what, I don’t know. It wasn’t my fault, it wasn’t my god damn fault.”



3.46.30am: Call made and connected. “Hey dad, are you nearby. I am seriously freezing.


Dad: “Not far away at all. Male: “Can you stay on the line?” Dad: Yep.


3.47.30am: Sound of car door opening and seatbelt being placed on.


3.48am: Dad: “We need to ring (lawyer) Bill Potts. Male: “I didn’t do anything. Dad: “I understand. Um the only thing we can do is ring Bill Potts up now. You can’t do anything else but that but you need to do it straight away really. Can you find his number?”


3.48.30am: Male: “I wish that I had cameras in my unit. I have audio. I tried calling her phone.” Dad: “Don’t call her phone.”

3.49am: Call is made to phone and goes to message bank. Dad: “What are you doing, why did you do that?” Male: “I don’t know.”
3.50am: Call to deceased.



3.51am: “Why does this (expletive) always happen to me. I didn’t ask for this. I wasn’t doing anything wrong, I just invited the girl over. The more she drank ...”


Dad: “Was she jealous or something?”


Male: “Me and her had sex and it was like the more that she drank she just got violent for some reason.
Dad: “Did she want a more serious relationship or something?”

Male: “No, she was like I know Muay Thai blah blah blah and I’ll beat you up for fun rah rah rah and I was like tolerating it for a bit and went ‘yeah stop that’. Last thing that I remember was that I tried holding her down and she ran out on to my balcony. I hope I just imagined it.”


3.51.30am: Call to deceased.


3.52am: I might have locked her out on my balcony cos there is like a lock. I can’t remember what I did but I absolutely did not throw her off my balcony. I would never do anything like that.”


3.52.30am: Dad: “We need to ring up Potts.” Male: “I don’t ask for this (expletive). Why does this (expletive) happen to me?”



http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...s/news-story/6c9264557282aa42377cfb46d0b875cb


I also bolded the evolving narrative regarding how Warriena came to be out on that balcony, and the parts where it's very clear that Tostee was aware (from moment one) that she had fallen (so his later apparent wonderment over whether she is dead is nonsense is lies.. he called his lawyer *for a reason*). .

I get why he starts to lie about what happened and what he recalls happening. I get why he lies about knowing her phone was in his pocket.

I don't get why he repeatedly calls it, even after his father tells him not to.

 

[Elde Fruit]

I find it extraordinarily suspicious that he actually takes 60 seconds before he starts dialing Potts the lawyer. what was he doing?.. I think , ,by the sounds on the recording , he was unscrewing the telescope, he had decided that would be the weapon that she used to 'attack' him, but being Gabe, he couldn't bring himself to give himself an almighty thud over the head himself, he couldn't do it to his own precious face, but that is precisely what he needed to do, and didn't.

That's what is going to sink him.

So.....that he did not seek to fabricate evidence is an indication he was guilty? Really?

 

[Makara]

within a minute of Warriena falling they were already there? Do you have a link please?

It has been published in MSM, and was reiterated by a witness at the trial that it was a resident of Tostee's apartment block who phoned OOO. Tostee was in a position to phone OOO immediately and well before the resident did just that. But no, the thought it best to phone his lawyer because he knew that he was in deep ****. Not a care in the world about the woman who'd just gone over his balcony. The only care factor there was for Tostee, by Tostee.

I would really love to know what advice his lawyer would have given him if he'd answered the call.

"Look mate, just go and grab yourself a pizza, ok. Have a wander around for a while and then phone your dad. It's not your fault, it's never your fault. Give me a call after you've had some sleep and we'll work it out.".

In the interim Warriena's body has been removed to the morgue. No pizza for the deceased Warriena that night or ever again.

 

[SouthAussie]

Or painted as a fake weaper. No win, either way.

A fake weeper? Because he called an ambulance? No. It was his civic duty, and his responsibility as the person who was legally obliged to show a duty of care to his invited guest.

The first responders were not there when he first rang the lawyer. They were there by the time he unscrewed/screwed whatever made the noise on the recording, put on his clothes, exited the apartment, re-entered the apartment, exited the apartment again, made his way to the ground floor ... then the basement ... and went for pizza.

 

[Elde Fruit]

Here's the (very bizarre) call activity in the moments after Warriena fell:

2.21.50am: Male makes call to lawyer Mick Purcell. Call made from handset. “(Expletive).” Call not connected.


2.22am: Male: “Where the (expletive) are my keys?”


2.23am: “Expletive, expletive, expletive.”


2.23.30am: “Oh my god.” Sound of getting dressed, pulling jeans up.


2.26am: Sound of sirens in the background.


2.26.30am: Sound of lift button.


2.28.30am: Walking noises. Footsteps.


2.39.30am: Walking stops.

2.24.13am: Call to deceased.


2.42am: Walking starts again.


2.47am: Call to Purcell.


2.49am: Screen shot taken of phone with images of deceased. Call to deceased.


3.10.30am: Male: “Um a piece of supreme please.”


3.11.30am: Paper rustling. (Eating pizza).



3.23am: Makes phone call. “Hello dad. I might have a bit of a situation. See um I met up with a girl for a date tonight and she started getting really aggressive. It was all right at first and like we, you know, had sex in bed and she kept drinking. We were both drinking and I think that she thought that it was like a joke or something and she kept like beating me up and whatever. It was cos she was really drunk and whatever and I like forced her out on the balcony and I think that she might have jumped off.”


Dad: “Oh no.”


3.23.30am: Male: “Like I have been walking around and there are a million cops around my building. I’m (expletive). I don’t know what to do.”


Dad: “Where are you? At your unit?”


Male: “I didn’t cause this, like I didn’t push her. There are a million cops in the area.”


Dad: “I’ll come and get you OK?”


Male: “It is really (expletive) up. I am like at Dominos. Dad, like this is not my fault.”


3.25am: Call continues ... “I don’t know, like I tackled her on my floor inside the building and I never forced her over the balcony.”


Dad: I am sure you wouldn’t, mate.”


Male: I don’t know what the (expletive) happened, it is crazy. I swear to god I didn’t push her, I just chucked her out on the balcony and locked the door because she was beating me up.”


Dad: “I’ll come over now OK?”


3.29am: Call continues. Male: Hang on a sec. What the (expletive). What the (expletive) is this ... you know how I said there was something in my pocket. Well it is her phone in my pocket.”


Dad: “Is it her phone?”


Male: “It is her phone, yeah ... Dad like what happened was we were drinking and we got into bed together then and after that she just kept drinking and she just kept like I don’t know she was just like beating me up. She thought it was funny or something and I was just like tackled her in the middle of my apartment and I said that it wasn’t funny anymore and blah blah blah.

“Then when I let her go the last thing I remember was she was on the balcony and I don’t know if she jumped or what, I don’t know. It wasn’t my fault, it wasn’t my god damn fault.”



3.46.30am: Call made and connected. “Hey dad, are you nearby. I am seriously freezing.


Dad: “Not far away at all. Male: “Can you stay on the line?” Dad: Yep.


3.47.30am: Sound of car door opening and seatbelt being placed on.


3.48am: Dad: “We need to ring (lawyer) Bill Potts. Male: “I didn’t do anything. Dad: “I understand. Um the only thing we can do is ring Bill Potts up now. You can’t do anything else but that but you need to do it straight away really. Can you find his number?”


3.48.30am: Male: “I wish that I had cameras in my unit. I have audio. I tried calling her phone.” Dad: “Don’t call her phone.”

3.49am: Call is made to phone and goes to message bank. Dad: “What are you doing, why did you do that?” Male: “I don’t know.”
3.50am: Call to deceased.



3.51am: “Why does this (expletive) always happen to me. I didn’t ask for this. I wasn’t doing anything wrong, I just invited the girl over. The more she drank ...”


Dad: “Was she jealous or something?”


Male: “Me and her had sex and it was like the more that she drank she just got violent for some reason.
Dad: “Did she want a more serious relationship or something?”

Male: “No, she was like I know Muay Thai blah blah blah and I’ll beat you up for fun rah rah rah and I was like tolerating it for a bit and went ‘yeah stop that’. Last thing that I remember was that I tried holding her down and she ran out on to my balcony. I hope I just imagined it.”


3.51.30am: Call to deceased.


3.52am: I might have locked her out on my balcony cos there is like a lock. I can’t remember what I did but I absolutely did not throw her off my balcony. I would never do anything like that.”


3.52.30am: Dad: “We need to ring up Potts.” Male: “I don’t ask for this (expletive). Why does this (expletive) happen to me?”



http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...s/news-story/6c9264557282aa42377cfb46d0b875cb


I also bolded the evolving narrative regarding how Warriena came to be out on that balcony, and the parts where it's very clear that Tostee was aware (from moment one) that she had fallen (so his later apparent wonderment over whether she is dead is nonsense is lies.. he called his lawyer *for a reason*). .

I get why he starts to lie about what happened and what he recalls happening. I get why he lies about knowing her phone was in his pocket.

I don't get why he repeatedly calls it, even after his father tells him not to.

Well it is up to the Prosecutor to explain what you don't get.

 

[Trooper]

Ausgirl.. no mention of ambulances there. not a mention at all, not at any point. not anything about ambulances being out side his apartment, or hurtling down Cavill Ave, or anywhere else, nothin , nothin, nothin..no mention to Dad of the ambulances..... some people make awful stuff up on the spur of the moment...

 

[Trooper]

Well it is up to the Prosecutor to explain what you don't get.

well.. I am pretty sure it will be up to the DEFENCE , surely , to explain what Ausgirl doesn't get, , the Prosecutor will merely state how repulsive and guilty Gabe is.... the Crown Prosecutor isn't there to think up excuses or explanations for Gabes idiocy.. that is the job of his defence barrister, who , and no one can argue this, has a hell of a job to do in that regard..

 

[Elde Fruit]

It has been published in MSM, and was reiterated by a witness at the trial that it was a resident of Tostee's apartment block who phoned OOO. Tostee was in a position to phone OOO immediately and well before the resident did just that. But no, the thought it best to phone his lawyer because he knew that he was in deep ****. Not a care in the world about the woman who'd just gone over his balcony. The only care factor there was for Tostee, by Tostee.

I would really love to know what advice his lawyer would have given him if he'd answered the call.

"Look mate, just go and grab yourself a pizza, ok. Have a wander around for a while and then phone your dad. It's not your fault, it's never your fault. Give me a call after you've had some sleep and we'll work it out.".

In the interim Warriena's body has been removed to the morgue. No pizza for the deceased Warriena that night or ever again.

If he had rung me and I did not abuse him for ringing me at that hour, I would have advised him to "Get to my Office now. Stay away from the scene, and say nothing to anyone, do nothing, until we meet. I'll see you there asap."

 

[Strangeworld]

"Um a piece of supreme please"
"I'm at Dominos..."
"Hey Dad are you nearby, I am seriously freezing"
"Why does this (expletive) always happen to me"

Painting a picture of the sort of person Tostee is. This guy just had a woman fall to her death from his balcony, a woman that he had just been intimate with, and these are the sorts of thoughts he is having :stormingmad:

 

[Ausgirl]

Well it is up to the Prosecutor to explain what you don't get.

The prosecutor isn't here though, is he? I'm looking for commentary from my fellow civilians, being that this is a forum. Not a court.

Back to addressing the forum at large.. I bolded this part as interesting:

I just invited the girl over. The more she drank ...”

Notice how he fails to mention that he plied the girl with his homemade liquor.

 

[Trooper]

of course, it is often the case , that many , many people wind up doing hard , long time due to bad legal representation, having ther bad luck to contact a lawyer who's experience doesn't cover their situation, or who's confidence in their capabilities far outstretches their real capacity , or who are not even lawyers at all, but mere paralegals , answering the phone, and suddenly being overcome with the desire to pretend to be a lawyer, and then, things go to hell very quickly for the unfortunate offender.

Not that there is anything wrong in doing long hard time in prison.. I am all for it, generally speaking, and in the case of Gabe I am absolutely all for it, harder and longer than most, at least on a par with Gittany.. nothing less than the length and conditions of Gittany, even though his was a NSW sentence...

 

[Elde Fruit]

well.. I am pretty sure it will be up to the DEFENCE , surely , to explain what Ausgirl doesn't get, , the Prosecutor will merely state how repulsive and guilty Gabe is.... the Crown Prosecutor isn't there to think up excuses or explanations for Gabes idiocy.. that is the job of his defence barrister, who , and no one can argue this, has a hell of a job to do in that regard..

No, the Crown bears the onus of proof. It must answer these questions. All the Defence has to do is pose credible questions, put up hypotheses as you are doing. The explanation consistent with guilt and excluding any (of innocence) beyond reasonable doubt, with supportive evidence, has to come from the Prosecutor.

 

[MZD]

Haven't been here in a loooonnng time but it's certainly gotten interesting....

I heard the audio for the first time today and it wasn't what I imagined it would be. I thought from the transcript that the concentration would be incredibly loud, violent-sounding and emotional...GT's voice really creeped me out, he had a particularly emotionless flat affect in his tone that was to me more unnerving than than any kind of screaming confrontation.

IMO, I truly believe that GT has a personality disorder. Most definitely narcissism and potentially sociopathic traits, based on a) a number of his previous behaviours that he outlined on bodybuilding.com and b) his arrest history, which shows an escalation of adrenalin-seeking behaviours and poor impulse control. He certainly also seems to have issues around power and control (which you can see come through in the audio, particularly in his stay/go comments throughout the night to Rrie).

Caveating that, I think the problem in this case is that the appearance of a personality disorder is kind of being seen as an automatic antecedent to him being a murderer. In all actuality, while I think he is a narcissistic sociopath who has absolutely fantasised about similar power-struggle scenarios I unfortunately don't think there's enough in the case yet for murder; however I think he has a shot at being culpible for manslaughter. Compare to G B-C, there were a myriad of reasons why he would want to kill Allison (money, affair); the only motive GT has is for thrills or a power struggle gone bad and that has not been fully established (yet).

My problem also with the audio is that it is a flawed and biased document. I see it as a form of gas lighting, in the sense GT knew about the recording and thus could tailor commentary to suit his own narrative. He appears to have a history of doing that. And no-one can truly know what that narrative or motive for doing this was. If there is a nefarious reason for doing it, it's not being established as yet. Similarly, I feel the audio is presenting only 50% of the story. We don't know what their actions were on the night, if their actions contradicted the audio and if the audio was deliberately manipulated around the action. For example, in regards to rocks, it could've been blown out of proportion deliberately - GT could have thrown the first rock at Rrie in a playful manner, she could have responded playfully and only then did he say 'ow'. It's pure speculation, but casts a lot of doubt on the evidence. We can throw around a lot of theories but no-one can say for certain, which is why I feel the audio is unfortunately flawed. For every argument there's an equal counter-argument.

I am still totally stunned however at his push/pull behaviour when he decided to kick her out. Tells her to leave; but tells her she can't take any of her stuff with her. Why. As if you wouldn't try and take your bag with you etc.Tells her to leave, puts her on the balcony. That makes me so angry; yes, she was drunk and being disorderly. That is no reason to keep her belongings or in an isolated part of his house.

Just...why.

 

[Ausgirl]

2.49am: Screen shot taken of phone with images of deceased.

.. trophy?

 

[Trooper]

The prosecutor isn't here though, is he? I'm looking for commentary from my fellow civilians, being that this is a forum. Not a court.

Back to addressing the forum at large.. I bolded this part as interesting:

I just invited the girl over. The more she drank ...”

Notice how he fails to mention that he plied the girl with his homemade liquor.

that record he made, what he thought was a smart and fun thing to do , is one of the things he is going to think thru for decades while hammering out another numberplate in the prison workshop... .

 

[Makara]

OR that we even know he is a lawyer - retired or not.

Exactly Sleep. If Tostee had've phoned me, we all being equal here, I would have asked him if he'd gone down to check how Warriena was and to phone police and emergency services.