Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #6

[Makara]

Hi Guys,
My first post but I have been reading and catching up on the other threads over the last few days and have been waiting to get activated so i could post a couple of things that struck me.
Warriena is absolutely terrified of the balcony, probably as it has been used as a threat and mentioned an odd number of times (imo) by GT when she is picked up and carried towards it. She must think he is going to put her over it (No x 30 times). So when he doesn't he just puts her in the balcony area (apparently) wouldn't her fear subside a little at that point. She would still consider him a big danger but he redeemed himself, he hasn't chucked her off. Surely she would feel relief at that and the very last thing she would do was climb up over the railing that she was so terrified of being thrown over? Wouldn't you sink to the floor. IMO Something else was happening and I am certain that it has something to do with the object he is carrying in the basement CCTV (which I thought looked like a knife or gun by the way it is held. how or why did the Police think it was a phone?!) . MOO

Welcome guruagain. it is clearly evident in the CCTV footage that Tostee was carrying something in his hand (after retrieving it from his pants) and he then dumps that 'something'. I feel sure that the police would have watched that footage many times but it wasn't presented to the DPP as evidence for whatever reason. IMO he was dumping evidence from the crime scene because he had a guilty mind.

 

[MZD]

His "plan" (if that is the correct term) obviously was to neutralise her on the balcony, de-escalate, allow her to have her tantrum where he does not have to deal with violence by her directed at him, allow her time, as much as she needed, to calm down........and when she runs out of steam, all will be well. Pretty much like what I did with my niece. I allowed her run to out of steam all by herself without offering her anything from me to give her tantrum further impetus. Yes?

How old was your niece, and how much alcohol had you given her at the time...?

 

[Trooper]

How old was your niece, and how much alcohol had you given her at the time...?

the contrast between a 'tantrum' and utter terror at the hands of someone who has threatened to chuck you over the balcony is so vast, so wide, I simply cannot see where those two distinct and totally separate issues meet.. One would have to be nuts to correlate the two sounds..

 

[Trooper]

Hi possumheart,
was it in the past back in NZ or in the recent past?

poss might be busy, so excuse me poss, hehe.. it was on that night, Juana..... he had some home made hooch he had the nerve to call vodka and he kept pouring it in to her

 

[Sor Juana]

no there is nothing like that, and she would be able to access NZ healthcare without upfront costs, so it is rational to claim that had she had that sort of medical illness historically, she would have sought treatment and received it.. Although it doesn't stop people from latching on to it like a liferaft in a stormy sea to explain her behaviour.. Something drove her to be erratic and terrified and crazed with fright...and it was right in side that apartment.

Trooper, it makes sense. It was only their first date and it got out of hands that quickly. Something definitely caused it, and I strongly suspect it was those 'dirty things' that GT wished to perform on her. It is also interesting if he got out of his apartment empty handed. May be he threw something out in the rubbish bin, something he did not want to keep in his unit any longer.

 

[sleepinoz]

His "plan" (if that is the correct term) obviously was to neutralise her on the balcony, de-escalate, allow her to have her tantrum where he does not have to deal with violence by her directed at him, allow her time, as much as she needed, to calm down........and when she runs out of steam, all will be well. Pretty much like what I did with my niece. I allowed her run to out of steam all by herself without offering her anything from me to give her tantrum further impetus. Yes?

Did you lock your neice on the balcony?

Did you deprive her of her freedom?

Did you ensure she was warm?

Did you give her water?

Would you subject your neighbours to those absolutely terrified screams?

I don't think so, I imagine you locked all the doors and sat staring at the poor child whilst she was screaming her head off.

So Tostee of you.

 

[Makara]

g'day. Juana...I remember you.. ...... There is no tabled testimony or evidence that she has, in the past displayed erratic behaviour.... quite the opposite, actually.. She appeared to lead her life like a well run tight ship.. there were some scars that the autopsy conveyed could have been self inflicted, ( as opposed to self harm in the psychiatric sense.. merely self harm ) but that wasn't definite, it was one of a number of possibilities to explain them.......

BBM. I just wanted to touch on this again. It was stated (paraphrasing here) that the scars on Warriena's wrists and thigh may have been self-inflicted. This is conjecture and not fact IMO. Those scars could have been caused by anything. I have scars on my wrists that were caused by accidentally coming into contact with a very hot oven rack. To a casual observer they may look a bit suss but they were acquired quite innocently, albeit painfully at the time.

 

[Sor Juana]

poss might be busy, so excuse me poss, hehe.. it was on that night, Juana..... he had some home made hooch he had the nerve to call vodka and he kept pouring it in to her

Oh, was that liquid in question chemically analyzed? It does not look good to me at all. Poor girl...

 

[Sor Juana]

http://www.news.com.au/national/que...f/news-story/19a591e6fb11771abac98cdce4b816b8

Counsel says victim’s fear so great it was as if Tostee ‘pushed her from the balcony himself’

 

[Ausgirl]

Oh, was that liquid in question chemically analyzed? It does not look good to me at all. Poor girl...

it was in msm back when it happened - they found his still... and he references it on the tape.

“I'm totally flattered my vodka has done this to you,”


ie, he was thrilled to get her legless drunk

 

[Makara]

How old was your niece, and how much alcohol had you given her at the time...?

:drumroll:

 

[Sor Juana]

it was in msm back when it happened - they found his still... and he references it on the tape.
“I'm totally flattered my vodka has done this to you,”
ie, he was thrilled to get her legless drunk

What a lowlife!

 

[Makara]

Trooper, it makes sense. It was only their first date and it got out of hands that quickly. Something definitely caused it, and I strongly suspect it was those 'dirty things' that GT wished to perform on her. It is also interesting if he got out of his apartment empty handed. May be he threw something out in the rubbish bin, something he did not want to keep in his unit any longer.

BBM. Sor Juana, he did just that. There is CCTV footage of Tostee carrying something large and, what looks to be metallic, in his hand as he exits the elevator in his apartment building. He then dumps it and continues on his meander to order pizza.

 

[Elde Fruit]

the contrast between a 'tantrum' and utter terror at the hands of someone who has threatened to chuck you over the balcony is so vast, so wide, I simply cannot see where those two distinct and totally separate issues meet.. One would have to be nuts to correlate the two sounds..

What you have conveniently ignored is that after he neutralised her, he left her there, he disengaged, she is unharmed, on the balcony. No-one is suggesting he tossed her off. She was perfectly safe there, and she chose her fate from that point on. How can he be expected to know she would try to climb down from a 14th Floor balcony? Is that something the man on that Clapham Omnibus, the reasonable man, would anticipate? I don't think so.

 

[StarryVeck]

This is such a disturbing case. I only just heard about it the other day, when Tostee's disgusting little recording was released. I've since been catching up on this forum, and I have to say I'm utterly repulsed by two things: Tostee himself, and the justifications some will go to to defend antisocial, misogynist behaviour. His posts on that bodybuilding forum revealed the true state of his character and the abhorrent way he treats women. At best, this guy is a predatory creep. At worst, a callous, murderous sociopath.

By the way, most of the other posters on said bodybuilding forum were just as bad. That place was an insight into a world I wish I didn't know about. That's why I like websleuths. The majority of posters are good people with no time whatsoever for misogynistic bile.

 

[Elde Fruit]

BBM. Sor Juana, he did just that. There is CCTV footage of Tostee carrying something large and, what looks to be metallic, in his hand as he exits the elevator in his apartment building. He then dumps it and continues on his meander to order pizza.

And not relied upon by the Crown. I wonder why competent Police, Solicitors, multiple Lawyers and ultimately the DPP never raised it. Why not consider the obvious? Occums razor. If it had any evidentiary value, do you really think the Crown would have not referred to it? Really?

 

[Strangeworld]

Sure. Someone asked why he did not sit her down on a couch and call a Cab. Instead, he did pretty much what I did with my infant niece, having a tanty. Neutralise, ignore, and they run out steam. Do you see the analogy?

With all due respect, no, not at all

 

[sleepinoz]

What you have conveniently ignored is that after he neutralised her, he left her there, he disengaged, she is unharmed, on the balcony. No-one is suggesting he tossed her off. She was perfectly safe there, and she chose her fate from that point on. How can he be expected to know she would try to climb down from a 14th Floor balcony? Is that something the man on that Clapham Omnibus, the reasonable man, would anticipate? I don't think so.

BBM - Neutralised alright - to the point of no return.

 

[SouthAussie]

What you have conveniently ignored is that after he neutralised her, he left her there, he disengaged, she is unharmed, on the balcony. No-one is suggesting he tossed her off. She was perfectly safe there, and she chose her fate from that point on. How can he be expected to know she would try to climb down from a 14th Floor balcony? Is that something the man on that Clapham Omnibus, the reasonable man, would anticipate? I don't think so.

Likewise, how could she be expected to know that she was 'safe' there?
Is that something a reasonable person would anticipate after they were tackled, smothered, dragged outside, locked outside, told they couldn't go home because they had been a bad girl?
I don't think so.

 

[Elde Fruit]

With all due respect, no, not at all

Then I doubt I can assist you any further. What would you convict him of?