Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #7

[fruity]

I am new to WS and this is my first post on this thread.
I listened to the 6 min audio for the first time last night... it was chilling to say the least. It sounds as they she is continually defending herself against him. He sounds totally in control. When he says to her to leave and to get up and she says sorry- he doesn't let her go when she clearly wanted to leave by saying so. She is clearly struggling to breathe and constricted in some way. Her screaming 'no' is so frightening and the period she is being dragged /chucked/taken to balcony seems like forever. The change in audio is clear when they are outside. Her screams are so chilling it makes me think he was doing something much more frightening thn just putting her on the balcony. What I am not sure. The time from him closing the door to her falling is so quick.

I really wonder why he had her phone. Why he wouldn't let her leave and why he didn't want her taking her belongings.

His actions after her falling are highly questionable.

BBM

IMO he picked her up and carried her onto the balcony (which is why she is screaming 'no' - he had said earlier that he should have thrown her off the balcony and she was petrified he was going to do it). Then I think he sat her on the balcony railing and walked back inside. That's why he was breathing heavily - from picking her up and carrying her. That's why he clarified that he didn't push her off - but what he didn't say is that he put her on the railing. He probably thought at that stage that she overbalanced and fell, which is why his first thought was to call his lawyer, rather than to call 000.

All MOO.

 

[fruity]

Also (again IMO) that's why she climbed over. He had threatened to throw her off, he had carried her out and put her on the railing, then he went inside ... she would have been wondering (IMO) what he was going to do next. Was he getting a knife? A gun? (and what was that clicking noise on the audio?) so obviously she was trying to escape what she believed to be him about to deliberately kill her with his own hands.

 

[Ausgirl]

When he "chucks" her on the balcony you can hear a change in the audio, you can tell they have not just gone outside but they are at the edge because the audio is distinct and different (like when you come out of a tunnel into open air.) You hear him knock a glass across the floor (it travels for a second or so) as he makes his way back in, this could be the glass or that is in the police photo of the balcony under one of the chairs but very near the door so it has moved from wherever it was and came to rest near the door. I expect it was near the sunbed when knocked.

I was talking about this change in background noise back in the early threads - it is quite distinct, I can clearly hear it too. That's part of why I thought it was very possible that during that 65/70 seconds he's out on the balcony with her, he initially lifted her up in a threatening manner (as we all know he did to that other girl, previously) near the edge (hence W's absolute terror) or even dangled her, but then put her down and exited the balcony.

This explains very well the difference in eye witness reports, with one witness stating her feet were facing out, and another describing the 'feet in' position shown in the police recreation.

I recall wondering what that tinkling noise was.. apparently a bottle (beer bottle?) or something knocked over in the struggle. So he WAS out there with her, I have no doubt.

 

[Ausgirl]

BBM

IMO he picked her up and carried her onto the balcony (which is why she is screaming 'no' - he had said earlier that he should have thrown her off the balcony and she was petrified he was going to do it). Then I think he sat her on the balcony railing and walked back inside. That's why he was breathing heavily - from picking her up and carrying her. That's why he clarified that he didn't push her off - but what he didn't say is that he put her on the railing. He probably thought at that stage that she overbalanced and fell, which is why his first thought was to call his lawyer, rather than to call 000.

All MOO.

bbm -- and YES it makes sense of that weird - and repeated- denial of throwing her, in the car. I mean, he's talking to his dad, who clearly cannot conceive of his son doing any wrong... so why all the insistence? I think you hit the nail, there.

 

[fruity]

bbm -- and YES it makes sense of that weird - and repeated- denial of throwing her, in the car. I mean, he's talking to his dad, who clearly cannot conceive of his son doing any wrong... so why all the insistence? I think you hit the nail, there.

And like you said, if he dangled her over the edge it would account for the difference in witness statements regarding the direction her feet were pointing in.

I just hope that if my speculation is accurate the jury goes down the same path. It took me a while to put everything together and realise what might have been happening.

 

[Ausgirl]

Sorry for multiple posts, but I think it would be interesting to go through all the witness reports, everything they've said on msm and in the trial, and try to match up their descriptions with times in that last few minutes.

Point being, -after- we hear that door shut, Warriena *immediately* stops screaming 'no' and shouts 'let me go home' a couple of times before she falls.

Maybe, depending on what was heard by each witness, we can work out whether he was out there at any stage, while her feet were seen --by anyone-.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm curious and admittedly naïve about Australian law, but I feel as though there was so much for the police to pursue and they didn't. I admit also that aside from original reports of her death I haven't followed until recently. I clearly hear her choking. He clearly imprisoned her against her will. He was in bodily possession of her phone. He recorded his encounter. He called his lawyer, not police. He went for a long stroll, ate food, and chatted up his dad, all the while her remains were on the pavement with first responders everywhere. He threatened earlier to chuck her over the balcony, and also to knock her out, on and on. And yet I feel like so much of this wasn't addressed on trial. What about choking experts? My god the sounds she was making were horrible. I'm just dumbfounded.

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The prosecutor spoke for days. I think we have only heard about .0001% of what he said, and the points he got across to the jury. MSM have decided to print the 'spectacular', the judge may have suppressed certain parts of the trial.
It would be very interesting to see a complete trial transcript to see what actually transpired in that courtroom.



ETA: There is a rule here, journalists in court cannot tweet/publish the things that are said for a period of time (I think it is 15 minutes) in case the judge decides he/she wants to suppress that part for some reason.

 

[SouthAussie]

No it is basically the same thing here. If they don't choose to pursue therefore dismissed aka "acquitted". They cannot then take them up at a later date. When it's dropped then it's just dropped and not revised.

NZ law is pretty irrelevant in this case.

 

[ninij9]

The prosecutor spoke for days. I think we have only heard about .0001% of what he said, and the points he got across to the jury. MSM have decided to print the 'spectacular', the judge may have suppressed certain parts of the trial.
It would be very interesting to see a complete trial transcript to see what actually transpired in that courtroom.



ETA: There is a rule here, journalists in court cannot tweet/publish the things that are said for a period of time (I think it is 15 minutes) in case the judge decides he/she wants to suppress that part for some reason.

I would. I wish they would have had experts on the choking, breathing sounds. I feel as though it was a gold mine. I hope and pray that the jurors hear even half of what I'm hearing. Jeez when she does reply to him it sounds like he has his hand over her mouth. It's surreal.

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[Deleted member 83851]

Well after an active night of poltergeists and parry and defend I feel as if some sort of shift has occurred. Today I awake feeling a lot more hopeful about the jury finding for murder.

 

[possumheart]

Well after an active night of poltergeists and parry and defend I feel as if some sort of shift has occurred. Today I awake feeling a lot more hopeful about the jury finding for murder.

Do we know if they would be together in a motel, or at home individually?

 

[sosocurious]

I would. I wish they would have had experts on the choking, breathing sounds. I feel as though it was a gold mine. I hope and pray that the jurors hear even half of what I'm hearing. Jeez when she does reply to him it sounds like he has his hand over her mouth. It's surreal.

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I think it is telling that the defense did not have any expert witnesses suggesting that Rrie's obstructed breathing was anything other than Gabe trying cause her harm.

Why was the telescope in two pieces .... I wonder?
imo

 

[Sor Juana]

He had the phone in his possession. He never gave it back to her. He called it knowing she was dead.

Legally, it can be viewed as theft.
By definition, theft is intentionally taking something in someone else’s possession that does not belong to you, and that you do not intend to give back. Obtaining (a mobile phone) by deception is a theft-related offence. The prosecution will have to prove that GT took the property by manipulation (which he did, according to the recording), that the property was not his (self-evident), was not planning to return it to Warriena (she asked him, he did not follow).

 

[DexterMorgan]

Imo. This case is sad. And her last picture and audio recordings by this dueche is even sadder.

So hopefully justice is served.

Jmo.

 

[wewillgetyou]

I'm only up to the page beginning with post #196.
Could someone please tell me how to block a poster ? I'll never make it this far if I don't do that :gaah:

 

[DexterMorgan]

Also. This lady died an horrific death.

So if you are on the side of the defense for this guy.

Than we have nothing to say to each other. Jmo.

 

[Sor Juana]

Just because someone is larger in stature than you doesn't mean they don't feel pain and discomfort the same way. Pain thresholds differ between individuals.

If he was in pain he would have let her go or asked her to leave his place so that he then could concentrate on himself. He could call a cab and send her away, to play it safe - for himself first of all.

 

[sleepinoz]

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Go to their profile and click - Add to ignore list.

 

[Sor Juana]

GT mentioned somewhere that he took about "150 chicks" to his appartment. I wonder if some of those girls could come out and give some evidence about their time together.

 

[possumheart]

Ah, he has not finished summing up. I don't know how I missed that, but at least I have answered my own question!

The jury will return to the courtroom on Monday, where Justice John Byrne will deliver his final address.
They will then retire to consider their verdict.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11729965

Do we know if they would be together in a motel, or at home individually?