Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #8

[ninij9]

Yes but can't you attach it to a vertical metal pole for it to adjust the height and/or swivel on? You'd have to crouch down to see through it if it was attached to the balcony railing without a vertical pole. GT was quite tall and the chairs on the balcony look too low to scope from a sitting position.

Hi!! Which is what I think he is seen carrying in CCTV. A retractable/adjustable pole. It even seems to have a joint in the middle of it. Could he have unscrewed it because it was dirty full of DNA?

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[guruagain]

Sunglasses?

Excellent,Thank you. It is amazing what you can see but others can't until it is pointed out and vice versa.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Jurors have interrupted their deliberation over Gable Tostee's murder trial to ask the judge four questions about the death of New Zealand tourist Warriena Wright.
They wanted to know what the long metal object Tostee, 30, is believed to have been carrying when he left his Gold Coast apartment in 2014 after Ms Wright, 26, fell 14 storeys to her death.
Jurors also questioned if they should consider Ms Wright's alcohol consumption on the night before they delivered their verdict and wanted Justice John Byrne to confirm Tostee's age.
The fourth question they wanted answered is the definitions of 'causation', 'unlawfulness' and 'intent'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-murdered-Warriena-Wright.html#ixzz4NLwnGrKg

 

[Dogface]

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/10/16/azelia-banks-russell-crowe-hotel-fight/

So here Russell Crowe is in a position where a woman starts making physical threats and is about to hit someone with a glass, but he just bear hugged her and carried her out of his suite and called security. Good example of what people do when threatened by violence but are physically able to control the aggressor. ETA: just proves what GT did is in no way logical.

 

[Bohemian]

Not recommended for bedtime reading:

Forensic Medical Findings in Fatal and Non-fatal
Intimate Partner Strangulation Assaults

 

[Fluffykins]

Hi!! Which is what I think he is seen carrying in CCTV. A retractable/adjustable pole. It even seems to have a joint in the middle of it. Could he have unscrewed it because it was dirty full of DNA?

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Yep, I think it's the telescope tripod with the legs retracted to look like a pole, and what looks like a joint in the middle of it is actually the tripod lever that adjusts the angle of the telescope. I think you'd be about 100% correct that he's removing it to hide DNA evidence.

 

[Freya1977]

Just listening to the tape again. Reminds me of the sound of weights.

And that bar could be a shape similar to what was being carried. Why would someone get rid of something from the apartment? It might incriminate them. Perhaps it's not related to WW. He knew the cops would come, probably. Anything incriminating would have to go. Just thinking!

 

[ninij9]

I had to listen to the recording again (for the last time I hope). I am so deeply disappointed that there wasn't experts (for both sides) to analyze this recording for the jury. I wanted to speak, if this tape was tampered with, because it struck me if there was some sex play that was BDSM, her repeated shouts of "manchester" sounded like a "safety" word to let your mate know when role playing was too much. I think she was restrained here, hence her request to poo. like pk You ignored manchester, how about I need the bathroom? Anyway jmo for that part. just trying to make sence.

But most importantly, You can here her choking, you can hear the menace in his voice. You can hear that they are on balcony together by the sounds of the wind during her repeated screams. When he repeats: "Let go" it has huge implications to me. firstly he should be yelling "drop it" if she had a metal object. I would argue that " let go" speaks more to her holding onto something, like him, the door frame or the balcony ledge. why assume the defendants version is correct here?

Also. You can hear his increased breathing at the end of their encounter milliseconds after her silence. Like he got a tremendous rush. He did not sound out of breath really, more excited. This tape is beyond chilling and could have been thoroughly picked apart by experts. a grave failure by prosecution IMO. This tragic victim has come back repeatedly to speak (scream) from the grave. Why? Because there is her story to tell here. This is so obvious what it occurring that it makes me quite insane.

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[Bohemian]

I had to listen to the recording again (for the last time I hope). I am so deeply disappointed that there wasn't experts (for both sides) to analyze this recording for the jury. You can here her choking, you can hear the menace in his voice. You can hear that they are on balcony together by the sounds of the wind during her repeated screams. You can hear his increased breathing miliseconds after her silence. This is beyond chilling and a grave failure by prosecution imo. This tragic victim has come back repeatedly to speak (scream) from the grave. This is so obvious what it occurring that it makes me quite insane.

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It makes me cry.

 

[NatalieJones]

Mr Cash told the Supreme Court jury yesterday that if it finds Tostee intended to cause Ms Wright grievous bodily harm by restricting her breathing, and if that influenced her panicked decision to climb from the balcony minutes later, he is guilty of murder.

“So if you are satisfied there was a choking, a strangling ... obstruction of her breathing over such a long period of time, you would conclude from that intent, at that point, to cause her some grievous bodily harm,” he said.

“And if that’s the case ... it is sufficient, the prosecution says, for you to return a verdict of murder.”

But Tostee’s barrister, Saul Holt, QC, denied any choking or strangling and said it was an issue the jury needed to be “extraordinarily careful about”.

“That allegation of choking or strangling is essential to this trial,” he said.

A pathologist said there was no medical evidence that Ms Wright was strangled, but agreed that some methods of restraint don’t leave marks.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...n/news-story/b130ade6605cec5a4152dadbae8e49c0
raying:

... but why didn't the prosecution argue he forced her over the balcony, at least present it as one possible scenario? And please don't tell me to do so would have weakened their case. It would have strengthened their case for murder, undoubtedly.

 

[Fluffykins]

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/10/16/azelia-banks-russell-crowe-hotel-fight/

So here Russell Crowe is in a position where a woman starts making physical threats and is about to hit someone with a glass, but he just bear hugged her and carried her out of his suite and called security. Good example of what people do when threatened by violence but are physically able to control the aggressor. ETA: just proves what GT did is in no way logical.

Very cool of Russell Crowe. And no doubt whatever GT would have been able to safely physically control Warriena just as easily. He just chose not to.

 

[Dogface]

... but why didn't the prosecution argue he forced her over the balcony, at least present it as one possible scenario? And please don't tell me to do so would have weakened their case. It would have strengthened their case for murder, undoubtedly.

I think because there is the one witness who said he saw only her. That would have instilled doubt and made them look like they were reaching despite other conflicted statements(like how her feet were pointing out). I think the prosecution decided to prove the very least they had to to get charges.

 

[Dogface]

I had to listen to the recording again (for the last time I hope). I am so deeply disappointed that there wasn't experts (for both sides) to analyze this recording for the jury. You can here her choking, you can hear the menace in his voice. You can hear that they are on balcony together by the sounds of the wind during her repeated screams. You can hear his increased breathing miliseconds after her silence. This is beyond chilling and a grave failure by prosecution imo. This tragic victim has come back repeatedly to speak (scream) from the grave. This is so obvious what it occurring that it makes me quite insane.

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Bravo to you for braving through it because I listened once and I can't do it again.

 

[Bohemian]

From the Bench Book (courtesy of WSer JCB):

Queensland Courts>Information for jurors>Supreme and District Court

'Juries are an integral part of our legal system and are used in most criminal cases and some civil cases in both the Supreme and District Courts in Queensland.

Jurors are ordinary citizens aged between 18 and 70 years who:

come from all walks of life.
may not have any legal knowledge.

They do not have to decide on questions of law, or what sentence a guilty person should receive.

Juries listen to the evidence in court cases and decide whether or not the defendant is guilty or not guilty (or, in civil cases, who is at fault).

A jury is usually made up of 12 men and women selected at random.'

 

[NatalieJones]

I had to listen to the recording again (for the last time I hope). I am so deeply disappointed that there wasn't experts (for both sides) to analyze this recording for the jury. You can here her choking, you can hear the menace in his voice. You can hear that they are on balcony together by the sounds of the wind during her repeated screams. You can hear his increased breathing miliseconds after her silence. This is beyond chilling and a grave failure by prosecution imo. This tragic victim has come back repeatedly to speak (scream) from the grave. This is so obvious what it occurring that it makes me quite insane.

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Our only hope is that the jury see through the prosecutions bias. But even if they deliver a guilty verdict, it will likely be overturned on appeal. So whatever happens, the CCC needs to investigate. I don't think anyone can reasonably deny the Prosecution does not want a conviction. Ignoring the single hand print forensic evidence alone tells the story.

 

[sweetcaro]

I am so sick of hearing that there was NO choking or similar from a small number of posters. It was never ruled out. There were no marks or broken neck bones, this is true. The witness clearly stated this did not rule out it occurring in a way which would avoid the leaving of evidence. Lordy, if this were not the case the prosecutors would not be relying on the act of choking of some sort to gain a conviction.

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[Fluffykins]

I had to listen to the recording again (for the last time I hope). I am so deeply disappointed that there wasn't experts (for both sides) to analyze this recording for the jury. I wanted to speak, if this tape was tampered with, because it struck me if there was some sex play that was BDSM, her repeated shouts of "manchester" sounded like a "safety" word to let your mate know when role playing was too much. I think she was restrained here, hence her request to poo. like pk You ignored manchester, how about I need the bathroom? Anyway jmo for that part. just trying to make sence.

But most importantly, You can here her choking, you can hear the menace in his voice. You can hear that they are on balcony together by the sounds of the wind during her repeated screams. When he repeats: "Let go" it has huge implications to me. firstly he should be yelling "drop it" if she had a metal object. I would argue that " let go" speaks more to her holding onto something, like him, the door frame or the balcony ledge. why assume the defendants version is correct here?

Also. You can hear his increased breathing at the end of their encounter milliseconds after her silence. Like he got a tremendous rush. He did not sound out of breath really, more excited. This tape is beyond chilling and could have been thoroughly picked apart by experts. a grave failure by prosecution IMO. This tragic victim has come back repeatedly to speak (scream) from the grave. Why? Because there is her story to tell here. This is so obvious what it occurring that it makes me quite insane.

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Yes, it's so distressing. But if you can hear it, and so can I and so can most people who have commented on it, then hopefully even despite the negligence of the prosecution case, the jury will still find him guilty. I'm just holding onto that thought, that the recording tells me the story, and if I were on the jury, there is no way I would agree to let him go free.

 

[Dogface]

Does the jury have to be unanimous?

 

[Freya1977]

I had to listen to the recording again (for the last time I hope). I am so deeply disappointed that there wasn't experts (for both sides) to analyze this recording for the jury. I wanted to speak, if this tape was tampered with, because it struck me if there was some sex play that was BDSM, her repeated shouts of "manchester" sounded like a "safety" word to let your mate know when role playing was too much. I think she was restrained here, hence her request to poo. like pk You ignored manchester, how about I need the bathroom? Anyway jmo for that part. just trying to make sence.

But most importantly, You can here her choking, you can hear the menace in his voice. You can hear that they are on balcony together by the sounds of the wind during her repeated screams. When he repeats: "Let go" it has huge implications to me. firstly he should be yelling "drop it" if she had a metal object. I would argue that " let go" speaks more to her holding onto something, like him, the door frame or the balcony ledge. why assume the defendants version is correct here?

Also. You can hear his increased breathing at the end of their encounter milliseconds after her silence. Like he got a tremendous rush. He did not sound out of breath really, more excited. This tape is beyond chilling and could have been thoroughly picked apart by experts. a grave failure by prosecution IMO. This tragic victim has come back repeatedly to speak (scream) from the grave. Why? Because there is her story to tell here. This is so obvious what it occurring that it makes me quite insane.

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I think she was saying "Winchester", because she kept referring to GT as Sam. It's Sam Winchester, a character from the TV series Supernatural. She thought GT looked like him, and had texted that to her sister. GT was saying "who's sam", and she replies "Winchester!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Winchester

 

[NatalieJones]

But Simon Gittany was convicted on FAR LESS evidence than Tostee. Here we have the single hand print, threats to throw her over the balcony, an actual recording of her terrified screams as he put her over the balcony, a witness directly below who saw her feet dangling OUTWARDS. Proving that Tostee is responsible for her death if she climbed over the balcony herself IS FAR HARDER than proving he forced her over the balcony. The prosecution are not stupid. They know this. I don't know how this has happened but it needs to be investigated because a woman was murdered by a man who threatened to throw her over his balcony and then did so. We cannot have a precedent that says "murder by balcony" is the easiest way to get away with murder.