Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #8

[Ausgirl]

Mr Casey said they heard a girl's voice. Sounded like "help". He went outside, looked up, saw a girl on the outside of the balcony

Mr Casey says when he first saw her, it looked as though she had secured her feet on concrete ledge. "Get back inside," he told her.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...t/news-story/3a4473e26fce6c05d90ec0a2ac614e44

Thanks! Okay, so he saw her feet on the ledge.. wasn't he one of the people in Ellis' apt, 2 floors down tho? I'm looking at the timing of what Ellis (first) saw, and what Nick Casey saw and when.

 

[BasTyra]

"The answer is this, there is no evidence beyond the CCTV footage of the item that you asked about," he said.

"You should not speculate about evidence in this trial."

Um, yeah cos he hid it down his pants, left the aparment complex and disposed of it. :gaah:

 

[Ziggie88]

This always stood out to me as well.

Along with the following:

1.09am: Male says that he “doesn’t think there is anything after death”. “Throw me off the balcony and that is it. This is it, boom.”

1.49am: Male says people with white coats are going to come in and the states that she would jump off the balcony. He says he is totally flattered that his vodka has had this effect on her.

2.15.30am: Male states — I thought you were kidding and I have taken enough. This is (expletive) (expletive). Male states — you are lucky I haven’t chucked you off my balcony you god damn psycho little (expletive). Male states — who the (expletive) do you think you ... I am. Yeah do your Muay Thai now.

Trying to keep my composure as much as possible I quickly realised that it would be extremely foolish to go back out on the balcony in case she had indeed fallen and someone saw me standing near the edge. The only sensible thing I could think to do at the time was call my lawyer, who would know what to do. Of course, the call didn't go through.
^^^^ REALLY? In all the worry and stress you managed to think ahead as to what other people would think about seeing you on the balcony? Guilty conscious perhaps?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Mr Casey said they heard a girl's voice. Sounded like "help". He went outside, looked up, saw a girl on the outside of the balcony

Mr Casey says when he first saw her, it looked as though she had secured her feet on concrete ledge. "Get back inside," he told her.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...t/news-story/3a4473e26fce6c05d90ec0a2ac614e44

The court heard Tostee recorded 199 minutes of audio on a mobile phone, which police found in his father’s car.

Sorry to be rehashing over things, but this caught my attention. Tostee didn't hand in the phone, it was found in his father's car! So much for his co-operation with the police. :thinking:

 

[possumheart]

I feel so sorry for the Jury. Their poor brains must be doing U-Turns everywhere they go. The Judge has given them so little credit for intelligence. It is sad and insulting.

 

[Fluffykins]

Tostee is heard in a phone call with his father shortly after Ms Wright fell to her death. In the recording Tostee is heard saying: “We might have a bit of a situation”.

GT's use of 'we', he's including his dad in his situation/problem?!!! Gives an insight into the man and his relationship with parent/s. Nothing groundbreaking, making observations while we wait.

Also, apparently a person lying tends to use the word 'we'.

https://hbr.org/2011/12/your-use-of-pronouns-reveals-your-personality

Reminds me of Gerard - "I'll call daddy and he'll fix it for me."

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

I am just trying to work out why the hell the crown didn't go with he pushed her or put her over the railing, there has to be a reason why.

Yes, there has to be a reason why the Crown believe Warriena climbed over the railing on her own accord and GT didn't place her there in any way, shape or form. I hope we find out what that reason is, once the trial is over, I mean.

 

[Kitsune]

I think much of what the Crown wanted to bring to court was disallowed by the Judge during legal arguments.

I can only suppose because they hadn't figured that out for themselves.

Both entirely possible, or they thought that the defense would put too many holes in the theory, lack of witness who only saw her and not him and maybe there is evidence to suggest that it was only WW out there? Because surely the police and crown are not that incompetent?

 

[sleepinoz]

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[Ausgirl]

Trying to keep my composure as much as possible I quickly realised that it would be extremely foolish to go back out on the balcony in case she had indeed fallen and someone saw me standing near the edge. The only sensible thing I could think to do at the time was call my lawyer, who would know what to do. Of course, the call didn't go through.
^^^^ REALLY? In all the worry and stress you managed to think ahead as to what other people would think about seeing you on the balcony? Guilty conscious perhaps?

The important part of that statement is in bold/red... "back out" on the balcony... He was out there, with her in a moment immediately prior to the scene he's describing, and there he lets it slip.

 

[NatalieJones]

Here is what I am wondering. Someone set Tostee up in that tacky apartment with its white lounge. We know from online boasting that he went through hundreds of women up there. We know he liked to secretly video them. What happened to all those videos? I'd bet a lot of illegal videos were made on that white lounge and sold for a big profit. Going out for pizza was just his cover for disposing of the video evidence.

 

[Ziggie88]

Agreed. I get physically shakey and my heart races at a million miles an hour listening to it. It could have quite easily been any of us in the same situation.

I am never. ever. listening to that again. It is a snuff tape.

 

[Elde Fruit]

The important part of that statement is in bold/red... "back out" on the balcony... He was out there, with her in a moment immediately prior to the scene he's describing, and there he lets it slip.

It is consistent with him having taken her out there, doing nothing, returning inside and shutting the sliding door. He was not going 'back out' after that. No smoking gun there, I'm afraid.

 

[Ziggie88]

Is it possible for you to link the full audio here? The only audio i can find ends a few seconds after he comes back inside from off the balcony?

Listening to those moments right after he exits the balcony, I am pretty sure he did not lock the door right away. I can hear it shut, and around the time Warriena starts faintly screaming, I hear a sound very much like a lock turning. More screams, the neighbour screams too, I think, .. silence.. and THAT is when he starts hyperventilating.

The 'unscrewing ' sounds happen about 4 mins later and are distinctly metallic. It's a rapid sound, like it's being undone quickly, not done up. Not a small item, something with substance. At the ends of that, a couple 'clanks' like something coming apart. Then faint sirens.. then what I suppose is the front door, and then the elevator bings.

Re "Manchester" - Tostee says this, trying to make sense of what W is saying.. in her NZ accent, "Winchester" sounds like "Wunchester".

 

[Ausgirl]

Sorry for the posts re balcony witnesses. Just, based on the recording, the way W's panic escalates the longer the door is open, the timing of her screams with the opening/closing, the good chance he didn't actually lock that door til he saw her going over, makes me believe Tostee indeed terrorised W by at the very least dragging her toward the edge.

What I'm trying to feel more sure about is whether he actually lifted her up above or over it, before leaving her there alone.

I don't think he pushed her, the evidence negates this. I don't think he was holding her over right before she fell- you can hear her through the glass, he and the recording dev. are on other side.

But I DO believe in the scant seconds before the witnesses saw her climbing over, he did terrorise her enough to make her to risk that climb. Circumstantial only, but there IS evidence to support it, enough to absolutely convince me of it. My only question is: did he terrorise her by dragging her over and just leaving her there, or did he terrorise her by lifting her up (as he is KNOWN to have to done before to another girl...) or pretending he was gonna throw her over, before leaving her there.

 

[Ziggie88]

Sorry for the posts re balcony witnesses. Just, based on the recording, the way W's panic escalates the longer the door is open, the timing of her screams with the opening/closing, the good chance he didn't actually lock that door til he saw her going over, makes me believe Tostee indeed terrorised W by at the very least dragging her toward the edge.

What I'm trying to feel more sure about is whether he actually lifted her up above or over it, before leaving her there alone.

I don't think he pushed her, the evidence negates this. I don't think he was holding her over right before she fell- you can hear her through the glass, he and the recording dev. are on other side.

But I DO believe in the scant seconds before the witnesses saw her climbing over, he did terrorise her enough to make her to risk that climb. Circumstantial only, but there IS evidence to support it, enough to absolutely convince me of it. My only question is: did he terrorise her by dragging her over and just leaving her there, or did he terrorise her by lifting her up (as he is KNOWN to have to done before to another girl...) or pretending he was gonna throw her over, before leaving her there.

Another girl? Has someone else come forward saying he had lifted another girl up near the balcony?


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[Elde Fruit]

Sorry for the posts re balcony witnesses. Just, based on the recording, the way W's panic escalates the longer the door is open, the timing of her screams with the opening/closing, the good chance he didn't actually lock that door til he saw her going over, makes me believe Tostee indeed terrorised W by at the very least dragging her toward the edge.

What I'm trying to feel more sure about is whether he actually lifted her up above or over it, before leaving her there alone.

I don't think he pushed her, the evidence negates this. I don't think he was holding her over right before she fell- you can hear her through the glass, he and the recording dev. are on other side.

But I DO believe in the scant seconds before the witnesses saw her climbing over, he did terrorise her enough to make her to risk that climb. Circumstantial only, but there IS evidence to support it, enough to absolutely convince me of it. My only question is: did he terrorise her by dragging her over and just leaving her there, or did he terrorise her by lifting her up (as he is KNOWN to have to done before to another girl...) or pretending he was gonna throw her over, before leaving her there.

BBM. When the verdict is in, there are comments which can be made which are quite relevant to that, and I'll wait until then.

 

[Elde Fruit]

Another girl? Has someone else come forward saying he had lifted another girl up near the balcony?


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My recollection of that was - on some prior occasion, Tostee and another woman were out on the balcony. While, there, he lifted her up and moved back inside the Unit while carrying her. She did not like being carried at that stage in their relationship.

 

[Kitsune]

Another girl? Has someone else come forward saying he had lifted another girl up near the balcony?


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I think that comes from his posts on the BB forum, where he picked a girl up to carry her inside and he said she freaked and left. That was the gist of it, it was written much doucher than that.

 

[Ausgirl]

It is consistent with him having taken her out there, doing nothing, returning inside and shutting the sliding door. He was not going 'back out' after that. No smoking gun there, I'm afraid.

Except the lie that he never went out there with her doesn't really stand up, does it. You can't go "back" to where you weren't.