Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #8

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[Makara]

Oct 17, 2016 12:20 PMStuff Editors
The judge is now explaining the difference between murder and manslaughter. A person who kills someone intending to cause their death or grievous bodily harm is guilty of murder. An alternative, manslaughter, is also open to the jury in this case. Manslaughter is unlawful killing where the prosecution does not have to prove intention to harm, the judge explains.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

BBM.

 

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[Bohemian]

And the jury will know that Gabe couldn't possibly be in fear of his life from a few pebble strikes.

You'd hope so. That's the point where I believe any reasonable person would have immediately escorted a guest, along with their belongings, from their dwelling and hailed them a taxi. If only...

 

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[sosocurious]

Melanie Petrinec ‏@MelaniePetrinec 48m48 minutes ago

Justice Byrne tells jury not to factor in Tostee's conduct after Warriena died, including calling his lawyer and not police @couriermail

So if the evening had not been recorded by Gabe and the trial was based on what neighbors had heard. Would his after conduct have factored in?

Just imagine if he had not pressed the record button.

 

[Makara]

Oct 17, 2016 1:11 PMStuff Editors
The judge says the prosecution submitted Tostee's comments to Wright that we heard in the secret phone recordings, that: “you’ve been a bad girl,” that he submitted her to a "violent restraint", then locked her outside- all pointed to causing her death. She did not have her phone, and so she climbed over the balcony to seek help.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

 

[Fluffykins]

I did not want to imply victim blaming because I knew that was not the OP's intentions BUT to suggest that Warriena could hear that a few times and then decide to act on it just seems insulting that she would stoop to that level.

Seems to me unlikely that suggestion would play any part in her trying to exit the balcony as she did. I think fear was her sole motivating force.

 

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[possumheart]

Seems to me unlikely that suggestion would play any part in her trying to exit the balcony as she did. I think fear was her sole motivating force.

And lack of choice. In her situation I wouldn't be trying to go back inside. AND it was very cold out there. If anything, that would have sobered her up slightly.

 

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[Makara]

Oct 17, 2016 1:13 PMStuff Editors
The judge is turning now to the question of whether Wright was choked. On the audio, the jury heard what the prosecution argued were gurgling sounds, laboured breathing - “sounds that were consistent with the breath being restricted. For about a minute she said nothing “because she was incapable of saying anything.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

 

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[Strangeworld]

Thanks Sleep and Makara for the updates!! :loveyou:

 

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[Makara]

Oct 17, 2016 1:15 PMStuff Editors
Wright, the judge says the prosecution argued, was defending herself. That she experienced “terror” and that it’s apparent in her voice as she repeatedly screams “no” as she is “forced” out onto the balcony. She says she wants to go home as it is happening. The prosecution agrees she was intoxicated and behaving "erratically"- but she was no physical threat to Tostee.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

 

[Makara]

Oct 17, 2016 1:17 PMStuff Editors
Regarding whether she was a threat to him - the prosecution argues the jury saw on CCTV images shown to them during the trial how much bigger Tostee was than Wright, the judge says.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

 

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