Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #8

[meticulously]

Wierd how theres a cctv clip of him quickly putting something in a bin after the pizza but most of the available cctv clips have cut it off the recent versions . Gt has stuff down his pants / shirt lots of the post event clips & is trying to hide this . The " heavy metal" object is what ? Gt says he will be her "sex slave" thats his most desired outcome imo - sex ; not sure if theres proof of it already occuring ? Ww says she will assault jaw - its not funny" in a defensive tone not the aggresor tone . Gable is in shock searching for fatherly advice afterwards & things seem he didnt plan murder imo

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[JCB]

From Bohemian's link above. Looks like the prosecution have a 90% strike rate.

Contained in this report from the link
https://publications.qld.gov.au/dat...ed6b0/download/odpp-annual-report-2014-15.pdf

It depends on the context you are looking at the statistics in.

In terms of convictions on all indictments in the District and Supreme Courts then yes, historically the rate approaches 90% however when you look at contested hearings (trials before a jury or judge) then they achieve convictions in less than 50% of cases. So in effect, if the accused opts to proceed to trial then the prosecution has a better chance of winning a coin toss than securing a guilty verdict.

 

[Tortoise]

JMO but I have a feeling the judge won't mind the first three questions (age, object he is carrying and effects of intoxication) but I think he will balk at the last question. Legal definitions. Because I think a lot of effort was put into helping the jury with these definitions by the QCs and the judge himself in his summing up, and if they are still floundering it could show something seriously wrong in terms of capability.

Surely they were making notes and would have also been given printed guidelines.

 

[Big Bread]

Hello sleuthers , wondering what exactly ww was wearing when she fell . Could give more insight as to what was taking place in the minutes before fall and to her mindset in regards to "leaving"

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The reports say that she was wearing jeans for some of the jean material was lodged in cracks in her skull. I didn't read anything about the shirt she was wearing if any. My guess is that it's the one in the picture.

 

[SouthAussie]

No means NO just something I noticed about her speech that seemed odd repeating so many times without adding anything further, even if she said it 100 times, no does not turn into a yes.

I think that is what terror and oxygen deprivation can do to a person.

 

[meticulously]

The reports say that she was wearing jeans for some of the jean material was lodged in cracks in her skull. I didn't read anything about the shirt she was wearing if any. My guess is that it's the one in the picture.

Wondering about jacket or topless , I believe she had some type of black pants with bare feet

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[SouthAussie]

JMO but I have a feeling the judge won't mind the first three questions (age, object he is carrying and effects of intoxication) but I think he will balk at the last question. Legal definitions. Because I think a lot of effort was put into helping the jury with these definitions by the QCs and the judge himself in his summing up, and if they are still floundering it could show something seriously wrong in terms of capability.

Surely they were making notes and would have also been given printed guidelines.

It is possible they just need clarification of part(s) of the definition(s). And I don't think it is unusual. They are not legal buffs. I think the judge will help them out.

 

[Tortoise]

No means NO just something I noticed about her speech that seemed odd repeating so many times without adding anything further, even if she said it 100 times, no does not turn into a yes.

It (No) seems the most obvious word to keep repeating to me. As far as WW was concerned she probably didn't think there was anyone in earshot who could help her, to yell for help. But I did notice one of the witnesses heard her shout 'help'.

 

[Tortoise]

It is possible they just need clarification of part(s) of the definition(s). And I don't think it is unusual. They are not legal buffs. I think the judge will help them out.

Hopefully it is as you say just clarification on parts and not a whole repeat of the directions that they have asked for.

 

[SouthAussie]

It depends on the context you are looking at the statistics in.

In terms of convictions on all indictments in the District and Supreme Courts then yes, historically the rate approaches 90% however when you look at contested hearings (trials before a jury or judge) then they achieve convictions in less than 50% of cases. So in effect, if the accused opts to proceed to trial then the prosecution has a better chance of winning a coin toss than securing a guilty verdict.

Yes, I later saw another graph in that report that said there was a 63% conviction rate in cases that made it to trial, in 2014/2015.
I didn't mention it at the time because I was trying to keep the mood on the thread 'up'. lol

 

[Ausgirl]

No means NO just something I noticed about her speech that seemed odd repeating so many times without adding anything further, even if she said it 100 times, no does not turn into a yes.

Barcode, all respect, but that sound... the repetition, nothing added, one word over and over - that's the sound of somebody in a very primal state of anguish and/or fear.

I have sadly had occasion to hear that sound in my life, and also to make it. It's the sound very small, very frightened, panicked children make. It's the sound I made when I came home to find my partner dead, almost the exact same sound in fact. It's the sound of a horrible trauma happening, and the mind of that person in its most primal instictive state, where words actually make very little sense and the repetition .. I don't know if I would say it's comforting? But it is NOT really a "voluntary" sound like normal speech, you're not thinking, you're purely reacting to something you cannot believe or control.

I hope that helps you gain another perspective on the sounds Warriena was making.

eta: And I wanted to add, she was only making that sound, over and over, while Tostee was audibly manhandling her out onto the balcony - and for the majority of the 70 seconds he was out there with her.

The moment he retreated toward the door, she started screaming "Let me go home". Ie, something happened to let her break free of that primal terror and form proper words, simple as they are. That event was Tostee leaving the balcony. I dunno what that says to anyone else, but I have a pretty clear picture of what that very very likely means.

 

[meticulously]

It (No) seems the most obvious word to keep repeating to me. As far as WW was concerned she probably didn't think there was anyone in earshot who could help her, to yell for help. But I did notice one of the witnesses heard her shout 'help'.

about 3/4 thru the "no ! "s the volume & intensity reaches a "fight or flight" moment where she is in other words imo ; calling for help genuinely . I have never heard the fall screams after the last "I wanna go home " seems the clips cut short , true ?

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[JCB]

It is possible they just need clarification of part(s) of the definition(s). And I don't think it is unusual. They are not legal buffs. I think the judge will help them out.

I agree, Justice Byrne will have no issues assisting them with definitions as far as he is allowed.

Yes, I later saw another graph in that report that said there was a 63% conviction rate in cases that made it to trial, in 2014/2015.
I didn't mention it at the time because I was trying to keep the mood on the thread 'up'. lol

And even then the figures are padded because they include guilty pleas entered before trial, the real figure is historically around 45%.

 

[matey]

Do many of you feel that it was odd for the Judge to instruct the jury that they must not consider GT's behaviour or movements after the fact of WW's fall, in their decision ??

 

[Tortoise]

about 3/4 thru the "no ! "s the volume & intensity reaches a "fight or flight" moment where she is in other words imo ; calling for help genuinely . I have never heard the fall screams after the last "I wanna go home " seems the clips cut short , true ?

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I haven't either.

 

[JCB]

Do many of you feel that it was odd for the Judge to instruct the jury that they must not consider GT's behaviour or movements after the fact of WW's fall, into their decision ??

It's not what I would call normal practice but due to the manner in which the Crown ran their case, it's not particularly surprising. No doubt more will come out when the trial has concluded and the media can report on the content of the numerous legal arguments throughout the trial.

 

[SouthAussie]

And even then the figures are padded because they include guilty pleas entered before trial, the real figure is historically around 45%.

This particular graph (the 63% one) was showing figures only for trials that were not settled by a plea, or settled in some other way.
But I do get your point, and don't want to appear that I am arguing as I respect your opinions. They are going to pad their figures because they don't want to look inadequate or ineffective at their jobs.

 

[possumheart]

Barcode, all respect, but that sound... the repetition, nothing added, one word over and over - that's the sound of somebody in a very primal state of anguish and/or fear.

I have sadly had occasion to hear that sound in my life, and also to make it. It's the sound very small, very frightened, panicked children make. It's the sound I made when I came home to find my partner dead, almost the exact same sound in fact. It's the sound of a horrible trauma happening, and the mind of that person in its most primal instictive state, where words actually make very little sense and the repetition .. I don't know if I would say it's comforting? But it is NOT really a "voluntary" sound like normal speech, you're not thinking, you're purely reacting to something you cannot believe or control.

I hope that helps you gain another perspective on the sounds Warriena was making.

:grouphug:

 

[meticulously]

I haven't either.

Suggestions read in articles say its 26 sec afterwards tortoise . wanted to hear when gabe swears f###k & the unscrewing noise , sorry to mention it

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[barcode]

I just want to clarify, there is not a single bone in my body nor an ounce of anything negative feeling about Warriena. I am just trying to understand and make sense out her/their conversation. I feel they both had their intricacies and how they may have contributed to what happened. Her repeating Manchester seems much in the way she repeated no.....thanks Ausgirl and I agree with your assessment of why she kept repeating no.

I have never entertained the rock throwing here as I do not feel she was out of hand with that. It does seem like the previous hours were not as hostile and just wish I had a better insight. Have to leave my thoughts here TBC.