Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[Cleaver Greene]

My question is, was he named as a POI before the inquest? That article is not clear on that.
the Mako won't load for me.

My recollection is that he was named. I think a few were named at various times over the 10 year investigation. I certainly remenber Jackway's name. I had never heard of Cowan until his arrest. All the suspects were named P1, P2 etc for the last inquest and I can remember working out who several of them were by referencing back to earlier articles. But Jackway was the only POI named consistently. He had a car matching the description of one that was seen near the overpass.

 

[Cricket99]

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[frogwell]

welcome ;-)

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[sosocurious]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html

I find it very telling that the document which is supposed to hang BS, i.e. the hospital records, was submitted by the defence in an 83 page document to the court as a part of his bail appeal, and upon reading that document the judge granted him bail, even though the prosecution states that the alternative suspect could not have done these assaults as he was in jail at the time. The judge said on granting bail that BS had shown cause. To my mind that shows, that no matter what the prosecution claim, there is reason to consider, contained in that document, that another suspect could be the perpetrator. The judge is not an idiot.

During Friday's bail application, NSW Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Bellow said there were many "substantive issues" with the case against Mr Spedding.

An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding.

Mr O'Brien said the statements about his client allegedly causing horrific injuries to the girls - which are from a court hearing in the late 1980s - were made by the victims after 'tutoring' or 'coaching' by their mother and other adults.

We are yet to hear from what court hearing in the late 1980's.

Team BS are saying that the mother and other adults coached and tutored.
Yet BS recently lobbied one of those victims for a declaration that he had not sexually abused her.
Gee - no wonder the judge has highlighted the possibility of cajoling.
imo



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...ailed-over-child-sex-offences-20150619-ghry1m

 

[frogwell]

I would imagine the transcript from the late 80's court hearing were also in the document. It may be misinterpreted in my post that I am saying that the hospital records is an 83 page document. It is not, it was submitted in an 83 page document, which is what I said. The substantive issues, I would imagine, are the very real evidence of a horrific crime against 2 children. The uncorroborated, unsubstantiated allegations, such as p rings is not even being considered.

During Friday's bail application, NSW Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Bellow said there were many "substantive issues" with the case against Mr Spedding.

An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding.

Mr O'Brien said the statements about his client allegedly causing horrific injuries to the girls - which are from a court hearing in the late 1980s - were made by the victims after 'tutoring' or 'coaching' by their mother and other adults.

We are yet to hear from what court hearing in the late 1980's.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...ailed-over-child-sex-offences-20150619-ghry1m

 

[ozazure]

Reading Bruce Morcombe's article today reminded me of just how active they were in not letting their son be forgotten and ensured it remained in the media and hopefully lead to information and/or tip off.
Due to bureaucracy William's parents are prevented from doing the same.
If the media want to take a photo of the one declared person of interest stopping at the shop, and it is keeping William's case active and people are still discussing and remembering this beautiful, cheeky little 3 year old boy. Then in my opinion it is not ridiculous. I say kudo's to the media and anyone discussing it.

When I read "Where is Daniel?" I was struck about how hard they fought for Daniel with the bureaucracy behind the scenes as well - hopefully legalities are not preventing William's family from doing the same, although I imagine things are still clicking over fairly rapidly with the police and courts at present so it might not be necessary. They would already have a heavier burden parenting with the run of the mill logistics of their situation, I just can't fathom this on top of it. I really wish them strength for all that they need to do.

A photo of BS at the shop, the birthday letter ... the media is being carefully handled in this case where a poor little kid who already had to find his way to safety once, is in dire danger again, and his parents are effectively gagged. Whomever is on it is doing a great job. Godspeed to bringing William home.

 

[spiritualdreaming]

During Friday's bail application, NSW Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Bellow said there were many "substantive issues" with the case against Mr Spedding.

An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding.

Mr O'Brien said the statements about his client allegedly causing horrific injuries to the girls - which are from a court hearing in the late 1980s - were made by the victims after 'tutoring' or 'coaching' by their mother and other adults.

We are yet to hear from what court hearing in the late 1980's.

Team BS are saying that the mother and other adults coached and tutored.
Yet BS recently lobbied one of those victims for a declaration that he had not sexually abused her.
Gee - no wonder the judge has highlighted the possibility of cajoling.
imo



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...ailed-over-child-sex-offences-20150619-ghry1m

It's been said no charges were ever laid over these matters...so if no charges laid what was the court hearing in 1980's about I wonder??

 

[sosocurious]

I would imagine the transcript from the late 80's court hearing were also in the document. It may be misinterpreted in my post that I am saying that the hospital records is an 83 page document. It is not, it was submitted in an 83 page document, which is what I said. The substantive issues, I would imagine, are the very real evidence of a horrific crime against 2 children. The uncorroborated, unsubstantiated allegations, such as p rings is not even being considered.

No I did not misinterpret frogwell.
I just think that this was a bail hearing and if that 83 page document from a previous court case back in the late 1980's would help get bail for my client then I would use it if I were a criminal lawyer. Just my opinion.
This is an historical case of sexual abuse and there are indeed medical records that substantiate the abuse.
imo

 

[frogwell]

So, to clarify the point you are making, although the hospital report was included in the 83 page document, the defense submitted it to show information from a court case in the late 80's that may look favourably upon BS, and they had to put the hospital notes in at the same time cause the file can't be disseminated in any way? Am I understanding correctly?

No I did not misinterpret frogwell.
I just think that this was a bail hearing and if that 83 page document from a previous court case back in the late 1980's would help get bail for my client then I would use it if I were a criminal lawyer. Just my opinion.
This is an historical case of sexual abuse and there are indeed medical records that substantiate the abuse.
imo

 

[frogwell]

custody? access?

It's been said no charges were ever laid over these matters...so if no charges laid what was the court hearing in 1980's about I wonder??

 

[Cleaver Greene]

No I did not misinterpret frogwell.
I just think that this was a bail hearing and if that 83 page document from a previous court case back in the late 1980's would help get bail for my client then I would use it if I were a criminal lawyer. Just my opinion.
This is an historical case of sexual abuse and there are indeed medical records that substantiate the abuse.
imo

Where are you getting that it was tendered by BS? Seems like a prosecution document to me. BS wouldnt have access to hospital records.

 

[frogwell]

An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ated-child-rapist-murderer.html#ixzz3dlk7UMNH
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Where are you getting that it was tendered by BS? Seems like a prosecution document to me. BS wouldnt have access to hospital records.

 

[frogwell]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...ver-child-sex-offences-20150619-ghry1mJustice Bellow said that, while the allegations were serious and there was medical evidence to support the victims' injury claims, there was still a question as to who attacked the girls.

 

[Freddo Frog]

Well he knew facs were investigating because that inquiry commenced in early December 2014. The detectives rang the mother of the children that were in his care in December as well.

According to court documents, Mr Spedding asked an alleged victim to sign a declaration about his “good character” after learning police were investigating him over William’s disappearance.
He contacted one of his alleged victims, who is now an adult, “directly lobbying” her to declare he did not sexually abuse her when she was a child, according to police facts tendered in court.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...th-bill-spedding/story-fns0kb1g-1227322744804
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l-speddings-care/story-fnpn118l-1227198878302

In my opinion, why would you do this unless you knew there was a reason for doing so? If he was innocent of this and public sentiment was that he did, but he didn't, would you not, as the 'victim' offer up your support for the accused person? I am of the belief that he did molest the girls and is trying to cover his butt. Does that make sense?

 

[sosocurious]

So, to clarify the point you are making, although the hospital report was included in the 83 page document, the defense submitted it to show information from a court case in the late 80's that may look favourably upon BS, and they had to put the hospital notes in at the same time cause the file can't be disseminated in any way? Am I understanding correctly?

Correct - incorrect I do not know.
I am just giving my opinion - wondering and pondering on what I have read in msn.
Introducing JH would surely cause some doubt and would need to be considered and proved or dismissed in my opinion - he is a known sex offender, that according to the prosecution was in goal at the time of the alleged offences of which BS is charged and JH was not.
The judge did say there are Substantive issues with the case against BS
Substantive - having firm basis in reality and so important, meaningful or considerable.
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=substantive

 

[Amee]

The tendered judgement also contains allegations of 'ongoing' child sexual abuse by Mr Spedding in Victoria.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ated-child-rapist-murderer.html#ixzz3dlnHQgTM

 

[sosocurious]

Where are you getting that it was tendered by BS? Seems like a prosecution document to me. BS wouldnt have access to hospital records.

Post 589 ksks to which I was responding.

 

[Freddo Frog]

Ol' motormouth's is gone


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...liam-disappeared/story-e6frg6nf-1227193861228

I get the subscriber page when I click on the link, can you paraphrase please?

 

[Freddo Frog]

I can't speak for Spiritual Dreaming, but I hope that LE is not spending all their time on BS being the abductor of William. If they had good evidence that he is the perpetrator he would be under arrest. Dont get me wrong. If BS is guilty of the abuse of those poor little girls he can rot in gaol. But lets not forget William. He is still gone.

I'd like to think that the police are quietly working away in the background doing what they have to do. The charges against WS could be a good way to distract people who may otherwise be more responsible for William's disappearance, like lulling them in to a false sense of security. I hope if Bill Spedding or his family are reading here and relaying what is being said and they know anything about little William's disappearance they are working closely with police to help with what they can.

 

[frogwell]

Correct - incorrect I do not know.
I am just giving my opinion - wondering and pondering on what I have read in msn.
Introducing JH would surely cause some doubt and would need to be considered and proved or dismissed in my opinion - he is a known sex offender, that according to the prosecution was in goal at the time of the alleged offences of which BS is charged and he was not.
The judge did say there are Substantive issues with the case against BS
Substantive - having firm basis in reality and so important, meaningful or considerable.
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=substantive

LOL, I had to look up substantive myself to get a fuller meaning in this context. My point, I am submitting, is that with this evidence tendered, the judge not only granted bail, but said there was still a question as to who had committed the crime. If that question wasn't answered reading those notes then to my mind there is the possibility in the judge's mind that JH did it.