Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[Karo]

You might be surprised by how many victims of sexual abuse are in this forum, just because they don't talk about doesnt mean they arent victims however since it is irrelevant to the discussion it isnt mentioned.

Spiritual dreaming my husband was severely abused from age 6 by a school teacher , he could document it all to last detail. Then when it went to court other children abused by this teacher spoke about incidents of abuse where my husband was present but his memory was obviously blocking it out, it wasn't until he heard statements that he was involved that he remembered these other acts of abuse so clearly, <modsnip>

 

[Hbayne]

I'm confused . How else do Le get there info out ????? They talk to the media and they report.

 

[Angeline]

I wonder if JH has been or will be interviewed about this? I can't imagine he'd admit to the charges.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think there's a strategy playing out.

 

[Angeline]

I'm confused . How else do Le get there info out ????? They talk to the media and they report.

Media statements. There was one for Spedding's arrest on the NSW Police page but when I click on it, it says it's no longer available on the NSW police page.

 

[KinderedSpirits]

It was reported that BS passed his victims off to another person! This "other" person could very well have been JH! It could have occurred on more occasions than we are aware of too. Knowing that they were both involved, BS probably felt he could pin it all on JH...especially because he is a known killer and child rapist! Just because someone else may have been involved with him, doesn't make BS innocent!

Maybe they felt they had a chance of getting more information about WT whereabouts, if BS was out on bail. Regardless of how petty it seems to scrutinize BS's stop at the store after he was released, I believe NOTHING should be overlooked. Even a stop to pick up cigs or whatever! BS knows he has eyes and ears on him, so if he needs to get a message to someone, he will find (what he believes is) the less obvious way to do so!!! And I'm sorry, there has been a definite cockiness/ego/ sense of entitlement feeling about him from the start. From the drive-by of the search scene, to asking his victims for a character statement, and now making his debut at a convenience store right after his release...BS does not give 2 ****s what anyone thinks!

 

[frogwell]

BS is not charged with passing the victims to others. The judge at the bail appeal described all that extraneous stuff as not evidence but uncooberated, unsubstantiated allegations. I have wondered though if the allegation of the giving of a child for the sexual use of another adult was BS dropping the children back into the care of his ex's family's home where they were molested again. I never found his actions to be strange, driving past the search site, when that is one of the main roads to travel upon or being parked at the GM's house after WT went missing as I just assumed he had been called to fix the washing machine. Once he was named a POI, I don't think there was one move that he could make that would not have looked suspicious.

It was reported that BS passed his victims off to another person! This "other" person could very well have been JH! It could have occurred on more occasions than we are aware of too. Knowing that they were both involved, BS probably felt he could pin it all on JH...especially because he is a known killer and child rapist! Just because someone else may have been involved with him, doesn't make BS innocent!

Maybe they felt they had a chance of getting more information about WT whereabouts, if BS was out on bail. Regardless of how petty it seems to scrutinize BS's stop at the store after he was released, I believe NOTHING should be overlooked. Even a stop to pick up cigs or whatever! BS knows he has eyes and ears on him, so if he needs to get a message to someone, he will find (what he believes is) the less obvious way to do so!!! And I'm sorry, there has been a definite cockiness/ego/ sense of entitlement feeling about him from the start. From the drive-by of the search scene, to asking his victims for a character statement, and now making his debut at a convenience store right after his release...BS does not give 2 ****s what anyone thinks!

 

[Found]

Can you please show me a link where NSW Police officially named BS as a POI??

As far as I've seen it was MSM that released his name

I am not convinced of BS guilt but the judge said in the trial that just because he is being investigated about another case ie William does not influence the current case. So clearly he is still being investigated about William.


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[frogwell]

Thanks, that's true but it was a bail appeal not a trial.

I am not convinced of BS guilt but the judge said in the trial that just because he is being investigated about another case ie William does not influence the current case. So clearly he is still being investigated about William.


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[frogwell]

What do you think the strategy is?

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think there's a strategy playing out.

 

[Found]

BS is not charged with passing the victims to others. The judge at the bail appeal described all that extraneous stuff as not evidence but uncooberated, unsubstantiated allegations. I have wondered though if the allegation of the giving of a child for the sexual use of another adult was BS dropping the children back into the care of his ex's family's home where they were molested again. I never found his actions to be strange, driving past he search site, when that is one of the main roads to travel upon or being parked at the GM's house after WT went missing as I just assumed he had been called to fix the washing machine. Once he was named a POI, I don't think there was one move that he could make that would not have looked suspicious.

I understand the situation and im not
convinced completely BS is innocent. And I know judges are it not always right. But they usually are. And if a high court judge questions the allegations I think it's fair I do the same. People can speculate
then People can look at the facts In front of them. At present the facts lean towards BS being innocent. That might change. If anything from the courts suggest otherwise I'll support that. But he has never been charged in relation to William and the historical case is weak. And the general idea of a witch hunt is deciding that no matter what anyone says someone is guilty. If the courts don't agree yet I don't agree yet and I won't hound an unconvicted man.


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[krig101]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think there's a strategy playing out.

Jubelin knows exactly what he is doing [emoji1]

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[Makara]

Published on Jun 21, 2015

Gary Jubelin speaking at 3:44 into the video.

[video=youtube;I4G5hIhdIMY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4G5hIhdIMY[/video]

 

[ollijack]

Mr Spedding, who has previously been named by police as a “person of interest” in William Tyrrell’s disappearance ....

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s-home-by-police/story-fni0cx4q-1227315237922


Bill Spedding, the man named by NSW Police as a “person of interest” in the continuing investigation into the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell ...

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...s-case-is-arrested-on-unrelated-charges-20281[/QUOTE

High five !

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Thanks, that's true but it was a bail appeal not a trial.

Thats right. And the judge has significantly different considerations on a bail application than on an actual trial. One consideration is the strength of the Crown case. There are many others, including the likely risk of reoffending. Threse charges were 30 years ago with no other charges since.

IMO

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Maybe they felt they had a chance of getting more information about WT whereabouts, if BS was out on bail.

I just can't see that being the case. Judges don't sit down with police and work out strategies together. Judges regularly make unpopular decisions, but they can only do that on the facts and on the law. If a judge makes a decision contrary to the facts and law then the decision can be appealed to a higher court.

In theory the DPP doesn't engage in joint strategies with police either. But I believe that police can pressure the DPP to commence prosecutions, usually through the media by publicising crimes. As long as there is enough evidence to warrant a prosecution the DPP could start the process. As a trial nears the DPP would have to reconsider whether to continue, based on the evidence.

I wouldnt be at all surprised if the investigation and charging for the historical charges was a strategy by the police to get BS in custody to interrogate him.

IMO

 

[KinderedSpirits]

I just can't see that being the case. Judges don't sit down with police and work out strategies together. Judges regularly make unpopular decisions, but they can only do that on the facts and on the law. If a judge makes a decision contrary to the facts and law then the decision can be appealed to a higher court.
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BBM- Yes, I know that...my comment was simply me trying to wrap my head around his bail, out loud! Wasn't said as a fact! i know what you mean, though....



I wouldnt be at all surprised if the investigation and charging for the historical charges was a strategy by the police to get BS in custody to interrogate him.

BBM- I agree with that!

 

[Manny83]

Published on Jun 21, 2015

Gary Jubelin speaking at 3:44 into the video.

[video=youtube;I4G5hIhdIMY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4G5hIhdIMY[/video]

I wonder how much the ff would be being told about the investigation

 

[Wexford]

I just can't see that being the case. Judges don't sit down with police and work out strategies together. Judges regularly make unpopular decisions, but they can only do that on the facts and on the law. If a judge makes a decision contrary to the facts and law then the decision can be appealed to a higher court.

In theory the DPP doesn't engage in joint strategies with police either. But I believe that police can pressure the DPP to commence prosecutions, usually through the media by publicising crimes. As long as there is enough evidence to warrant a prosecution the DPP could start the process. As a trial nears the DPP would have to reconsider whether to continue, based on the evidence.

I wouldnt be at all surprised if the investigation and charging for the historical charges was a strategy by the police to get BS in custody to interrogate him.

IMO

Ksks, do you mind if I ask, what are the advantages of having him in custody to interrogate him? As opposed to bringing him down to the station or questioning him in his own home? Apart from the obvious uncomfortableness, is there a different process?

 

[Kyja]

I don't think it was a strategy, I think that regardless of how they came across the info regarding the historical assaults the police have a duty of care to act on the allegations. Just so happened that it came up now and if it turns out bs is involved in Williams disappearance then the two woman that were horrifically abused as little girls deserve the biggest thank you ever for coming forward. I just hope all of this has really put the wind up anyone involved with the alleged paedo ring and one by one they fall.

 

[deugirtni]

Ksks, do you mind if I ask, what are the advantages of having him in custody to interrogate him? As opposed to bringing him down to the station or questioning him in his own home? Apart from the obvious uncomfortableness, is there a different process?

*They* often use fellow inmates as snitches.. putting certain perps beside certain other perps in hopes of luring them into story-telling. Perhaps they thought if BS had info/was involved in a 'pedo ring', and he was in there, perhaps beside another pedo, they might eventually start gabbing.. who knows.

I think it is unfathomable for many to believe that a person without a proven criminal pedo past could pull off a 'perfect' crime such as this, with WT disapearing for so long without a trace, in only a matter of minutes unsupervised, from a dead-end street in broad daylight in an area where he could easily have been seen and heard. If police during their investigation of BS as a POI, discovered these historical allegations which had never been proven in court, it would be a real bonus for them if they could tuck him away on these other charges while continuing to investigate the WT case.. with the eventual hope that there would be a conviction for BS on the historical charges.. at which time they could say, 'here ya go, our suspect now comes with a previous conviction for child sexual assault'. It would surely help with their theory of BS's involvement in the WT case and with getting a conviction due to the publicity and perhaps tainted jury pool.