Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[Karo]

I would say that the parents were either refusing to believe in their son's guilt or perhaps covering up for him. It's not unusual.
I had a convo with a friend recently when she asked if I would report my child for a crime of a serious nature, if I knew he did it.
I said I don't know and until I was in that situation I wouldn't really know the answer.
She said she wouldn't and she is a law abiding person usually.

 

[spiritualdreaming]

[modsnip] http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ith-child-abuser/story-e6frg6nf-1227402941324

 

[Karo]

I think we would need to know more about the dates and the families involved to make sense of that. How is BS related to the children, why was he there, were they at their home.
By all accounts BS was married to MS by the end of that year and no longer with the children's mother so seems unlikely he was living there then. How long did it take for divorces in 1980's? or were they even married?

so, 28 years ago in 1987 bs was 35, i wonder if this was his first offence, otherwise if he had past known history why were the girls allowed to be alone with him in the caravan, some reports state he was sharing a bed with them?
was the caravan at the girls mothers place or were they allowed to go with him to his friends house and sleep there?
they have a known paedo rapist uncle lurking around, and probably hanging out with bs, who the children had also been warned about?
seriously!!?

 

[Karo]

It has already been determined that BS has no history of offences recorded.

so, 28 years ago in 1987 bs was 35, i wonder if this was his first offence, otherwise if he had past known history why were the girls allowed to be alone with him in the caravan, some reports state he was sharing a bed with them?
was the caravan at the girls mothers place or were they allowed to go with him to his friends house and sleep there?
they have a known paedo rapist uncle lurking around, and probably hanging out with bs, who the children had also been warned about?
seriously!!?

 

[bearbear]

It has already been determined that BS has no history of offences recorded.

not recorded, no but wondering if he had been doing this for years uncaught. also wondering why the childrens mother had told them he was a bad man and would hurt them or words to that effect, cant find the msm article?

 

[Makara]

 

[Sydneygal]

According to the 1980 census he was living in Iron St North Parramatta which is close to the Cumberland Hospital grounds

 

[Makara]

His

According to the 1980 census he was living in Iron St North Parramatta which is close to the Cumberland Hospital grounds

Yes, I saw that. His occupation was a driver. And by 1984 he was of no fixed address.

 

[Sydneygal]

Just a thought, if one of the young girls said "It was Bill" when asked who touched them why did she call him "Bill" and not another name that you would naturally call a close relative?? ....arrghh hope I'm getting my point across without breaking TOS. Maybe these girls are not biologically related to BS? Maybe I'm reading posts on here the wrong way but it seems as though people feel that the girls are related to him??

 

[Sydneygal]

Yes, I saw that. And by 1984 he was of no fixed address.

With what we've learned re: Chelmsford today he may have been living within Cumberland Hospital by that stage. Popular place in the 70s & 80s from memory lol. Btw I live around the area

 

[newone]

Just a thought, if one of the young girls said "It was Bill" when asked who touched them why did she call him "Bill" and not another name that you would naturally call a close relative?? ....arrghh hope I'm getting my point across without breaking TOS. Maybe these girls are not biologically related to BS? Maybe I'm reading posts on here the wrong way but it seems as though people feel that the girls are related to him??

bbm: you are on track! it would be appropriate for Mom or other adults to refer to him that way -- victims I thought would have referred to him as (fill in the blank kinship))

 

[newone]

It was disclosed in the court documents that JH told his victims 'not to tell' and they didn't. This is pretty common. I cannot help but wonder if the victims that BS is accused of molesting received the same instructions....JMO...finally reaching the conclusion that BS was the perp may have been a tough task for the medical staff and/or mom.

 

[sosocurious]

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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...RL98AAeGG6RSh_tQFk_GFgA&bvm=bv.96041959,d.dGc

Does anyone else find it disturbing that we can't get an accurate time frame on when these offences occurred? Some say March 1- April 30, some say a weekend between March and April and some say it happened April/May. This is a really important fact to establish in this case. Going over the police fact sheet tendered to the
Port Macquarie local court in April 23 2015, I think the police is not inaccurate but it is misleading. I think they know people will draw colourful conclusions about what has occurred from the words they use.

Was just wondering if this may explain the broad time frame March - May 1987.

Where sex offences are alleged to have been committed on 3 or more occasions, occurring on separate days the prosecution does not have to prove that dates exact circumstances of each alleged occasion.
S66 EA Crimes Act 1900 NSW
http://www.judcom.nsw.gov.au/public...cossins-prosecuting_child_sexual_assault.html

It’s not evidence is it? It’s an account of what appear to be uncorroborated, unsubstantiated allegations.

:thinking:



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ith-child-abuser/story-e6frg6nf-1227402941324

 

[Angeline]

bbm: you are on track! it would be appropriate for Mom or other adults to refer to him that way -- victims I thought would have referred to him as (fill in the blank kinship))

I have no idea, but I had flashbacks to an article that said 3 of his 5 adult children support him. I respect the victims and don't want to discuss them too much but I did read that. Does anyone remember reading that? It was discussed here at the time.

 

[frogwell]

Interesting. So the prosecution may be able to set the terms of reference for these offences. I think that will be their undoing. If it's a vague area of time that this occurred it gives the defense alot of scope.

Was just wondering if this may explain the broad time frame March - May 1987.

Where sex offences are alleged to have been committed on 3 or more occasions, occurring on separate days the prosecution does not have to prove that dates exact circumstances of each alleged occasion.
S66 EA Crimes Act 1900 NSW
http://www.judcom.nsw.gov.au/public...cossins-prosecuting_child_sexual_assault.html

It’s not evidence is it? It’s an account of what appear to be uncorroborated, unsubstantiated allegations.

:thinking:



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ith-child-abuser/story-e6frg6nf-1227402941324

 

[Estelle]

My take on all this is that if BS married MS later in 1987, he was probably separated from the mother of the two girls and living full-time in a caravan in the back of a friend's house in Campbelltown. If he had actually married the mother of the two girls, it would take at least a year then to get a divorce. and he would have had legal rights to see the girls every second weekend and have them stay with him. So the divorce proceedings would have begun in 1986. He could have begun by living under the same roof but by March, 1987 at least, he had moved out. He may have lied to his ex-partner that he was sharing a house and they had an extra bedroom. for the girls. So IMO every second weekend from March through to May, 1987, he shared a bed with these little girls. Perhaps access was stopped after these allegations or he had meet MS by then and moved into her house.

IMO there is no way you could blame Hillsleyr for sexual abuse which happened between March and May, 1987 as he was locked up then. The Defence claimed it did not have the report from the child's mother so the mention of Hillsley is just a red herring. Surely the children were asked to describe the perpetrator in terms of hair colouring, etc. as they do not look alike.

The Defence is trying hard to promote doubt that BS was the perpetrator but I do not think they have offered enough bail money and it is feared that he is a flight risk, a danger to children if he continued to visit homes to repair washing machines if they might live there and he could tamper with evidence and witnesses.

My prediction is that BS will not be offered bail.

 

[Manny83]

I would say that the parents were either refusing to believe in their son's guilt or perhaps covering up for him. It's not unusual.
I had a convo with a friend recently when she asked if I would report my child for a crime of a serious nature, if I knew he did it.
I said I don't know and until I was in that situation I wouldn't really know the answer.
She said she wouldn't and she is a law abiding person usually.

Disgusting. If anyone I knew, relative or not, was a threat to themselves or others I'd be calling someone faster than I could blink.

 

[sosocurious]

I have no idea, but I had flashbacks to an article that said 3 of his 5 adult children support him. I respect the victims and don't want to discuss them too much but I did read that. Does anyone remember reading that? It was discussed here at the time.

BS son said he one of his sisters would continue to support his father.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...s-disappearance-son-says-20150303-13tz7u.html

He also said They are not going to find anything with Bill and that 3 of his siblings from Western Australia were convinced of his innocence and would stand by him.
That was in regard to Williams disappearance.
Mr Spedding said the recent charges against his father had been dealt with in the past and said there was not enough evidence to charge him in 1987 or now.
"It will be proven in the facts and as the case comes to light it will all make sense …"

http://www.smh.com.au/national/will...n-bill-spedding-says-son-20150503-1mvs9b.html

 

[catswhiskers]

Just my two bobs worth regarding the age of the young girls: I've worked daily with 6 year olds for over 25 years now, and I believe they'd be absolutely certain of who did what - especially since it would have been so traumatic and frightening for them. Plus the details about having to clean up blood and vomit, being thrown off the bed etc, - hard to imagine they'd recall those details but somehow lose track of who physically harmed them. And of course they named him - unless they were blindfolded the whole time, I've no doubt a six year old would be certain of who attacked her so horrifically.
Doesn't it just hurt your heart to read what creatures like JH have done to tiny little children? I know we all cry about it often here - but for 'justice' to amount to a mere couple of years in prison for their despicable acts is just sickening.

 

[Adrianna]

william is still missing, dear little man I really hope you aren't caught up in all this sinister stuff, not looking good though. I truly believe there is so much more to come out that we have no clue about. Did anyone know about the seedy brother in laws connection until today ? What more is to come .......

I knew about the seedy brother in law some time ago, a couple of beautiful friends and i put our sleuthing caps on together, its surprising what you can find out then.