Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[Karo]

Has there been any indication that BS has offended, (apart from the historical claims) given he has had care of children for a few years in his home?
This is the sticking point for me, if there was anything in the claims he is a pedophile, surely there would be more people coming forward. By all accounts he has quite a few children in his family and extended family and I don't think pedophiles only offend for a month or so, then never again.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

I doubt the historical charges will proceed. Prosecution have had more than enough time to gather evidence for the bail application. Given that the Supreme Ct judge found the Crown case not to be very strong, despite the reasonable period of time to gather evidence, that suggests to me that there is not really any evidence against BS except the evidence of one complainant. There definitely seems to be evidence of abuse, but it doesnt necessarily follow that it was perpetrated by BS.

The offences occurred nearly 30 years ago, the only witness at this stage is a 6 year old child, there was a known sex offender living with the complainants when they were young and these charges have only been re-agitated because BS is a POI in a missing child investigation.

I have no opinion on BS' guilt or innocence. But unless prosecution have further evidence (which I doubt because they would have disclosed it to keep him behind bars) I just don't see that there is any reasonable prospect of conviction.

 

[SouthAussie]

The law states one is innocenct until proven guilty, the state needs to prove BS is guilty, until then he is innocent. Irrespective if you believe BS commited a crime, under law he is innocent, until proven guilty. Of course the police will harras POI, thats their job, they're trying to catch who they believe allegedly commited a crime. There's no need to take it personally, the law is the law, like it ir not, irrespective who you believe is guilty of a crime.

Under law, Spedding is presumed innocent until/unless found guilty in a court of law.

Sorry to be a stickler, but that one word is an important one.

 

[Karo]

I doubt the historical charges will proceed. Prosecution have had more than enough time to gather evidence for the bail application. Given that the Supreme Ct judge found the Crown case not to be very strong, despite the reasonable period of time to gather evidence, that suggests to me that there is not really any evidence against BS except the evidence of one complainant. There definitely seems to be evidence of abuse, but it doesnt necessarily follow that it was perpetrated by BS.

The offences occurred nearly 30 years ago, the only witness at this stage is a 6 year old child, there was a known sex offender living with the complainants when they were young and these charges have only been re-agitated because BS is a POI in a missing child investigation.

I have no opinion on BS' guilt or innocence. But unless prosecution have further evidence (which I doubt because they would have disclosed it to keep him behind bars) I just don't see that there is any reasonable prospect of conviction.

I understand what you are saying but I do think the proceedings will go ahead as I believe the court thinks he has a case to answer. If more victims come forward, for example.

 

[Kyja]

I think there's more to come, police have specifically mentioned an investigation in Victoria, a paedophile ring and bs passing children to other adults within that ring. As far as we know that's not what happened in Campbelltown to the two young girls.

 

[Karo]

Did BS ever live in Victoria though? I haven't seen anything so far about that.

 

[Morrisa]

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[Thetruth11:11]

Is wt & his sister biological related??

 

[Thetruth11:11]

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[bearbear]

from this report it seems the three and six year old were passed around as well as other children in the 1980s pring...

The allegations — unrelated to the Tyrrell matter — were aired yesterday as the 63-year-old whitegoods repairman appeared in a Port Macquarie court one day after he was charged with the violent sexual assault of two sisters, aged three and six, in Sydney in 1987.

According to court documents, there is evidence that Mr Spedding shared the girls with other men, and he was allegedly present with other men when the girls performed sex acts on each other. This investigation involves a number of child victims and “there is evidence of other adult offenders”, police allege.

The allegations were report*ed to police at the time and are supported by case notes and medical files held for more than 25 years by at least two NSW government departments, *according to a police statement of facts presented to the court.
Many of the alleged offences took place in Victoria and *involve “not only further offences committed against the victims in this matter, but also further victims”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-sisters-alleged/story-e6frg6nf-1227317880928

 

[Kyja]

Did BS ever live in Victoria though? I haven't seen anything so far about that.

He didn't necessarily have to live there. He might have friends or family that do.

 

[Kyja]

Thanks bearbear, it all just gets more awful the more we hear

 

[frogwell]

When BS was first arrested, there was an article that indicated, a child who had been in BS care had complained to his mother about persistent sexual molestation, this was on DOCS case notes, the complaint was by the mother. I thought that indicated a separate incident to the two young victims, police have not filed charges against him on this matter as yet. I'm not going to go digging for the article but I'm sure it was published around 23/4/15 when he was arrested.

Has there been any indication that BS has offended, (apart from the historical claims) given he has had care of children for a few years in his home?
This is the sticking point for me, if there was anything in the claims he is a pedophile, surely there would be more people coming forward. By all accounts he has quite a few children in his family and extended family and I don't think pedophiles only offend for a month or so, then never again.

 

[frogwell]

I think the supreme court judge referred to those as not evidence but what appeared to be unsubstantiated allegations. There is no evidence for them and therefore they cannot be taken into consideration when applying for bail.

from this report it seems the three and six year old were passed around as well as other children in the 1980s pring...

The allegations — unrelated to the Tyrrell matter — were aired yesterday as the 63-year-old whitegoods repairman appeared in a Port Macquarie court one day after he was charged with the violent sexual assault of two sisters, aged three and six, in Sydney in 1987.

According to court documents, there is evidence that Mr Spedding shared the girls with other men, and he was allegedly present with other men when the girls performed sex acts on each other. This investigation involves a number of child victims and “there is evidence of other adult offenders”, police allege.

The allegations were report*ed to police at the time and are supported by case notes and medical files held for more than 25 years by at least two NSW government departments, *according to a police statement of facts presented to the court.
Many of the alleged offences took place in Victoria and *involve “not only further offences committed against the victims in this matter, but also further victims”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-sisters-alleged/story-e6frg6nf-1227317880928

 

[sosocurious]

Depends.
Imagine if I knew that one person thought I had stolen their car, and another knew I hadn't.
Imagine if police are questioning me about an unrelated robbery at a local store.
Imagine if person 1 tells me 'ah, you've struck again, now person b and I are going to tell the police you stole our car'
I would probably approach person b. 'Hey, we've talked about this before, I know that you know I didn't do it. I feel confident I have your support. Can you please give me a declaration that I never did this, because I know it's about to come up again'

I think it's human nature to try to garner support from thepeiple you think will back you. But it seems he got it wrong.

In a sense it is more reason to think he's innocent.. Like he went there thinking 'I know I've done nothing wrong, back me up'.

Yes I see the point you are trying to make.
If person B was a child when the event occurred and everything had been dealt with (presumably) then why bother having the I Know You Know conversation.
You would know it had been dealt with and you would have no worries if innocent.

 

[they'll get you]

I don't think he came out holding anything? If I'm remembering the right photo

NOTHING


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ild-sex-offences/story-fni0cx12-1227407115538

 

[sosocurious]

Maybe he was buying some milk so he could have a coffee when he got home.

I just found it unusual that in the car when leaving Cessnock the evening before everyone had their heads covered. Colin gave BS a shirts to hide his face when returning home.
Yet the very next morning no worries just pops into the local store.

I think if I were in BS position .. I would be having my coffee black and wait for someone else to pick up the milk.

 

[Karo]

Might have gone to get bread and they had none. I just did that, so annoying.

 

[they'll get you]

I just found it unusually that in the car when leaving Cessnock the evening before everyone had their heads covered. Colin was giving him shirts to hide his face when returning home.
Yet the next morning no worries.
I think if I were in BS position .. I would be having my coffee black.

EXACTLY
MS had plenty of time to prepare for his return.

 

[sosocurious]

NOTHING


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ild-sex-offences/story-fni0cx12-1227407115538

Not even his wedding ring.