Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #15

[sosocurious]

Sorry, I am new to this but is there any evidence William made it to his grandma's? Any witnesses other than family?

The dogs found scent.
With Manny and TYG post above that 3 confirmations.

 

[they'll get you]

Sorry, I am new to this but is there any evidence William made it to his grandma's? Any witnesses other than family?

On the way the family allegedly stopped at Macca's. CCTV footage in the drive through or inside the restaurant would verify this and William being with them.
I'm sure this has been checked.

The photo of him on the deck was verified as true and the neighbour heard the two children playing.

 

[Karinna]

The lady from No. 30 who stated she heard the children playing before she drove out must have been so close to those two cars. If she'd reversed out I'm sure she would have seen them in her rear vision mirror only metres away.

I don't think they are definitely a real estate agent I was saying it's a similar scenario what happened when I was in real estate. If it was an owner showing his vacant rental property then I imagine he would drive into his property unless it had tenants already in there.
I'm thinking of what circumstances two cars were there. It'll come to me.

That is why i asked about who all noticed the vehicles in question. If the neighbor went out shortly before William was abducted surely she would of noticed those vehicles being there if it was them waiting for the right moment to abduct the child?

 

[Makara]

Sorry, I am new to this but is there any evidence William made it to his grandma's? Any witnesses other than family?

Welcome snapey. As far as the police are concerned there has never been any doubt that William was at his grandmother's house. William's parent's have been cleared of any involvement in his disappearance and we'll leave it at that. Any suggestion that William's family members are involved in any way is against the rules here.

 

[louisepiglet]

Let’s assume that the two cars were related to the abduction, but why would you need two cars?

One possibility is that one car is for use of following the dad’s car, ensuring he is not back before the abduction. The car that followed dad will contact the car waiting at the house, letting him know that dad was further away. Did dad felt any car following him?

The problem I am having with the planned abduction is that they had no idea if William and his sister would play outside, or if the mother and grandmother would be outside or be able to see them. Although it is a quiet street there was still neighbours who could have looked out the window or come outside at the right time. There was someone mowing. If the second car was to follow Dad, how did they know he would be going out. There is just something not right with the whole scenerio.

 

[Karinna]

From what i have read about this case William was abducted less than 24 hrs. after the family got to grandma's. I would hope police questioned anyone that knew the family were going to be there seeing it was a surprise visit. I assume grandma knew they were going to be there and apart from that who else could of known? Did BS also know there would be very young children going to be at grandma's for a visit? In a normally really quiet street why would someone be there waiting to randomly steal a little boy that had never been there before from what i read in msm? I just find the whole thing very perplexing.

 

[sosocurious]

That is why i asked about who all noticed the vehicles in question. If the neighbor went out shortly before William was abducted surely she would of noticed those vehicles being there if it was them waiting for the right moment to abduct the child?

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.
It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.
"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

So the cars were not there at 10.34 am.

 

[louisepiglet]

Jones and BS have been accused (and charged) for previous child molestation that involved children known to them. This would be a huge leap for them to abduct a child in such a high risk situation. Three year olds are generally very well supervised and it would be a very lucky opportunity for a child of that age to be within snatching distance. They could not have anticipated this IMO. No, there is something else going on here. There is an extra something that we are not seeing or imagining.

 

[Eloise]

I completely agree, louisepiglet.

[and whatever it is, the cops might already know it. probably do... we're all just waiting for the next info dump as always!]

 

[they'll get you]

The problem I am having with the planned abduction is that they had no idea if William and his sister would play outside, or if the mother and grandmother would be outside or be able to see them. Although it is a quiet street there was still neighbours who could have looked out the window or come outside at the right time. There was someone mowing. If the second car was to follow Dad, how did they know he would be going out. There is just something not right with the whole scenerio.

I'm with you on that louisepiglet. For 'unknowns' to plan this it's over my head. It's either opportunistic or the other reason I sometimes suspect, I can't share right now But if I'm right down the track you'll hear me.

 

[louisepiglet]

Do foster parents have to advise DOCs ( or whoever is the governing body for foster carers) if they are travelling within the state for short trips?

 

[sosocurious]

I remember when Daniel Morcombe was abducted it seemed impossible that he could have been snatched from a busy highway without anyone seeing.
A blue car was seen from memory ......
Busy highway or quiet street it does not matter.
If as the police are leading us to believe that at pedo ring is involved then I think that someone with those desires would be brazen enough to do it anywhere.
As Gary Jubelin has said someone may have been there and the two world collided. They saw an opportunity and took it.
Innocent and evil.
imo

 

[louisepiglet]

I remember when Daniel Morcombe was abducted it seemed impossible that he could have been snatched from a busy highway without anyone seeing.
A blue car was seen from memory ......
As Gary Jubelin has said someone may have just come across William ... opportunistic.
Innocent and evil.

If that is the case then why are the police making such a big deal of the two cars? An opportunistic abductor would not bring two cars. Does anyone remember if MS met BS at the coffee shop or school in separate cars or did they travel together. Was BS in a white 4WD or his van? There is a missing link. I hope as Eloise said, the cops already know.

 

[catswhiskers]

I remember when Daniel Morcombe was abducted it seemed impossible that he could have been snatched from a busy highway without anyone seeing.
A blue car was seen from memory ......
As Gary Jubelin has said someone may have just come across William ... opportunistic.
Innocent and evil.

And the blue car had nothing to do with his abduction after all - but the descriptions given of a man seen near Daniel did end up looking similar to BC - revolting man. He was the ultimate opportunistic predator. He passed the broken down bus, then flew past Daniel waiting further along that busy road - what kind of mind immediately thinks to turn off and circle around quickly to lure the waiting boy into his car?!

 

[they'll get you]

William's daycare would have been advised if any days would be absent. :thinking:

 

[Imagining]

The lady from No. 30 who stated she heard the children playing before she drove out must have been so close to those two cars. If she'd reversed out I'm sure she would have seen them in her rear vision mirror only metres away.

I don't think they are definitely a real estate agent I was saying it's a similar scenario what happened when I was in real estate. If it was an owner showing his vacant rental property then I imagine he would drive into his property unless it had tenants already in there.
I'm thinking of what circumstances two cars were there. It'll come to me.

What about the lot 43 for sale? Could there be someone inspecting that lot?

 

[louisepiglet]

William's daycare would have been advised if any days would be absent. :thinking:

Yes. I agree.

 

[epictreasure]

Never off topic Soso.

I can't sleep now you've got my attention.

I've been thinking about the cars. One older and the other a newer sporty model both with windows down....it's reminding me of my days in real estate. It would be nothing to meet someone at a property, chat outside the cars and leave the windows open because you would have the keys in your hand and you wouldn't be far away from the vehicles. I never drove onto the properties I always parked on the roadway as I felt it was respectful.
Who would imagine that prestige rural area would be dangerous.
Benny Hill said never to assume.

Do you think it is possible that the reference to the 2 cars is to possible point the finger in certain directions and the mention of them (present ever or not) is simply to send a message?
I am ignorant when it comes to necessity of reporting or recalling fact/ speaking truths when it comes to tv programs and interviews

 

[Makara]

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.
It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.
"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

So the cars were not there at 10.34 am.

Thanks Soso. I'm taking this resident to be someone other than Mrs. Wilson who has stated that she left her home 90 minutes before William disappeared. That would be at about 9:00am if William disappeared at 10:30am.

I still think that the reported time of William's disappearance could be out slightly. What felt like five minutes to William's mother may have in fact been 10 minutes or longer. The poor woman's mind would have been racing when she realised he was gone. Time would not only have blurred but would have stopped completely. I believe that William was well and truly gone from Benaroon Drive by 10:30am.

 

[sosocurious]

If that is the case then why are the police making such a big deal of the two cars? An opportunistic abductor would not bring two cars. Does anyone remember if MS met BS at the coffee shop or school in separate cars or did they travel together. Was BS in a white 4WD or his van? There is a missing link. I hope as Eloise said, the cops already know.

Either they're involved or they've seen what happened and we just need them to come forward and say this is what they saw.

There is more than one POI.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ear-old-vanished/story-fni0cx12-1227522704458