Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #15

[sosocurious]

You would think anyone in the Kendall region would have scene the car footage. You would have to be pretty switched off to not notice the tv footage requesting people come forward. Especially with the threat of police, you not coming forward.
That would be embarrassing for the vehicle owners that they haven't come forward. Its going to bring you under some intense scrutiny by police the longer you wait.

The odd thing is that the owners of 4 cars had not come forward not just the 2 parked cars.

 

[they'll get you]

So true. It is amazing who has connections with who. I hope LE has investigated who is connected with who.

Ah yes it IS amazing who can be connected with who.

 

[crabstick]

Quote Originally Posted by sosocurious View Post
Paraphrase.
Police aproached GAPA to see if BS was a member - they learned he was a member of another grandparent group near by.

As a result of BS being before the court on unrelated historical sexual charges his complicated family history including the fact his brother in law is a convicted killer has been revealed to the public.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...c3b82917e14a83

The irony

The grandpa network? I feel sorry for the good people, the great people who have been tainted by the bad egg.

So true. It is amazing who has connections with who. I hope LE has investigated who is connected with who.

 

[Abstar80]

I hope what I am about to say reads better than how its swirling in my mind!!

I have been reading through the theories that this was an opportunistic crime, evil colliding with good etc. For this theory to work, in my head anyway, there are way too many variables that would not have been present that day. The 12th of September last year was a Friday. Not a day you would expect to find children playing freely in their yards either front or back. Most children targeted by a pedo would be in school or daycare. If it was a weekend then perhaps it would make more sense that someone was waiting for an opportunity to snatch a child.

From what I can understand (and please correct me if I am wrong) but Benaroon drive doesn't seem like a hive of children's activity. Surely if it was opportunistic even a pedo would be smart enough to target an area that has a higher percentage of a child being present to commit a kidnapping and therefore increasing the chance of feeding the addiction.

To me this was calculated, planned and executed with precision. Opportunistic crimes are often sloppy and un-organised resulting in clues being left etc. To the naked eye, there are absolutely zero clues or evidence to move forward with. Obviously the police working this case are privy to far more details then we will ever be and rightly so.

Considering what I think, my opinion is that whomever is responsible for taking William is someone who knew he was going to be there, whether they were told directly or indirectly. Perhaps the only opportunistic part of this, is that G/ma needed her washing machine fixed.....

 

[Freddo Frog]

ITA regarding being unaware of the complicated past. Something I have learned after following various news pages over the past year or so is that it seems like the majority of fb posters tend to only read headlines (about any news story - not just those about William) and the attention grabbing first couple of sentences, and then post their reactions. Also that tossing around our ideas here while being accountable for the source of our info, does lead to a clearer and more accurate picture of what's happening - even with the same limited info available. It's beyond frustrating to see folks keep banging on about why the parents are keeping their faces hidden - as though it's their choice. Read, people ... read!

Agree! Reading some of the FB posts going around makes me want to reach through and shake people hard and tell them shut up!

Your signature quote by Stephen Hawking is very relevant in this instance.

 

[Manny83]

I hope what I am about to say reads better than how its swirling in my mind!!

I have been reading through the theories that this was an opportunistic crime, evil colliding with good etc. For this theory to work, in my head anyway, there are way too many variables that would not have been present that day. The 12th of September last year was a Friday. Not a day you would expect to find children playing freely in their yards either front or back. Most children targeted by a pedo would be in school or daycare. If it was a weekend then perhaps it would make more sense that someone was waiting for an opportunity to snatch a child.

From what I can understand (and please correct me if I am wrong) but Benaroon drive doesn't seem like a hive of children's activity. Surely if it was opportunistic even a pedo would be smart enough to target an area that has a higher percentage of a child being present to commit a kidnapping and therefore increasing the chance of feeding the addiction.

To me this was calculated, planned and executed with precision. Opportunistic crimes are often sloppy and un-organised resulting in clues being left etc. To the naked eye, there are absolutely zero clues or evidence to move forward with. Obviously the police working this case are privy to far more details then we will ever be and rightly so.

Considering what I think, my opinion is that whomever is responsible for taking William is someone who knew he was going to be there, whether they were told directly or indirectly. Perhaps the only opportunistic part of this, is that G/ma needed her washing machine fixed.....

Completely agree. I've always wondered what jubelin means when he says this was opportunistic. Is it opportunistic in that a complete stranger who had no idea william was going to be there took him? (Extremely unlikely) or opportunistic in that someone alerted someone to the fact that william was outside playing/someone was watching and waiting and took the opportunity, and if it's the latter why isn't that classed as a planned abduction?

 

[crabstick]

Many parents are at work too, away from their kids. Neighbours aren't home to see the abduction or interfere. People aren't at the cemetery behind. Its essentially, a free run.

Daycare is rebated as a percentage, but its still not cheap. Many people resort to grandma to save the $60 a day. That is $80 gross you have to earn really. Also for casual workers, you cant just drop the kids in. You need a reserved spot.

With 2 people in a car, it could happen in under 5 seconds. But there was no sound of cars according to mum.

I have been reading through the theories that this was an opportunistic crime, evil colliding with good etc. For this theory to work, in my head anyway, there are way too many variables that would not have been present that day. The 12th of September last year was a Friday. Not a day you would expect to find children playing freely in their yards either front or back. Most children targeted by a pedo would be in school or daycare. If it was a weekend then perhaps it would make more sense that someone was waiting for an opportunity to snatch a child.

 

[Makara]

One thing that sticks in my mind from the 60 Minutes interview is William's mother saying that William being such a gorgeous boy would make people turn their heads to look at him or comment on him. Words to that effect. I'm wondering if someone in the Kendall area has seen William on a previous visit and then got wind that they would be visiting again and a plan was hatched.

 

[Abstar80]

Completely agree. I've always wondered what jubelin means when he says this was opportunistic. Is it opportunistic in that a complete stranger who had no idea william was going to be there took him? (Extremely unlikely) or opportunistic in that someone alerted someone to the fact that william was outside playing/someone was watching and waiting and took the opportunity, and if it's the latter why isn't that classed as a planned abduction?

Absolutely.

And if it was planned, unless they are communicating telepathically, there would be a record of mobile phone calls made off the nearest tower.

I have the utmost respect for Jubelin and his team, and I believe that the information that is being dribbled down through the media is just the beginning of the deluge of information that is available.

The way I am looking at this all at the moment is that its a chess game. To me whomever is responsible for this is not your average piece of crap pedo. I believe Jubelin knows they are dealing with a sophisticated plan made by one or more persons who think they can outsmart everyone. If you look back at all the media coverage and the timing of the information released you can see Jubelin is just waiting to say check mate.

I am of the opinion that the police know everything there is to know about those cars, and I am not implying we are being played for fools.......I am saying whoever did this is.

 

[Manny83]

Regarding the poor reception at the house- dad went to do a Skype interview, is it that the phone service is poor or the cell phone service is poor? Or both?

 

[crabstick]

Unfortunately, with Facebook there is a lot of narcissistic behaviour, and unscrupulous entities that will do anything to get click through traffic.
A lot of the Facebook info is about making money disguised as well meaning propaganda.

Agree! Reading some of the FB posts going around makes me want to reach through and shake people hard and tell them shut up!

Your signature quote by Stephen Hawking is very relevant in this instance.

 

[Imagining]

I feel the cars were parked too far from the vacant block and that block was listed by a few agents.
Being a woman, I would not go through dense scrub and I wouldn't really meet them at the property. I would email the address with a plan of the vacant block and tell them to have 'drive by' and take a look. Only if it was a home and they were cashed up I would show them the property for security reasons I would definitely have all ID before I put the keys in the door.

So it could be two friends/relatives visiting the vacant block and parked further away wanted to walk around. Unfortunately, seems there were no people had any sighting of two people walking around.

 

[louisepiglet]

Absolutely.

And if it was planned, unless they are communicating telepathically, there would be a record of mobile phone calls made off the nearest tower.

I have the utmost respect for Jubelin and his team, and I believe that the information that is being dribbled down through the media is just the beginning of the deluge of information that is available.

The way I am looking at this all at the moment is that its a chess game. To me whomever is responsible for this is not your average piece of crap pedo. I believe Jubelin knows they are dealing with a sophisticated plan made by one or more persons who think they can outsmart everyone. If you look back at all the media coverage and the timing of the information released you can see Jubelin is just waiting to say check mate.

I am of the opinion that the police know everything there is to know about those cars, and I am not implying we are being played for fools.......I am saying whoever did this is.

I just cant imagine that BS would be that clever. Whoever did this has done it before IMO

 

[crabstick]

Estate listings make good cover for criminals because they don't have to answer to inquisitive neighbours in a no through road. If they were parked out front a neighbours house who is at work, they may come under suspicion.

A lot of scoping out of houses happens at midday. Most of us don't think like this. Its an experienced criminal mind.

Thats why we get caught out, because we arent in the same train of thought.

Id be interested to see the crime rate in the area. Some modelling of who was robbed etc. A time line just how that area fared with state forest adjacent.

It appears a few houses were for sale.

So it could be two friends/relatives visiting the vacant block and parked further away wanted to walk around. Unfortunately, seems there were no people had any sighting of two people walking around.

 

[louisepiglet]

Completely agree. I've always wondered what jubelin means when he says this was opportunistic. Is it opportunistic in that a complete stranger who had no idea william was going to be there took him? (Extremely unlikely) or opportunistic in that someone alerted someone to the fact that william was outside playing/someone was watching and waiting and took the opportunity, and if it's the latter why isn't that classed as a planned abduction?

Maybe Jubelin means it was opportunistic because someone used the knowledge they had that William and his family was GOING to visit GM.

 

[msadventure]

So it could be two friends/relatives visiting the vacant block and parked further away wanted to walk around. Unfortunately, seems there were no people had any sighting of two people walking around.

Didn't FM say she saw the cars on the Thursday, when she went to get her sister at the airport. (What airport?) She then saw them the next morning. So the cars had been parked all night. Or am I totally confused here? (Which wouldn't be the first time!)

 

[msadventure]

Maybe Jubelin means it was opportunistic because someone used the knowledge they had that William and his family was GOING to visit GM.

Maybe a planned abduction, if, and only if, the/an opportunity presents itself.

 

[Manny83]

Didn't FM say she saw the cars on the Thursday, when she went to get her sister at the airport. (What airport?) She then saw them the next morning. So the cars had been parked all night. Or am I totally confused here? (Which wouldn't be the first time!)

I think she meant that on the way to the airport (coffs?) she remembered what she'd seen that morning

 

[Abstar80]

I just cant imagine that BS would be that clever. Whoever did this has done it before IMO

Really? I do. It would seem he managed to get away with many other offences for many years, and no-one seemed to be any the wiser that he was capable of such a thing. And even if he isn't that clever, there is nothing to say he doesn't associate with people who are.

Perhaps BS is the decoy, not dissimilar to when a large shipment of drugs is being pushed through an airport. One passenger gets tipped off as the carrier while the others, carrying a larger quantity, slip through undetected.

 

[they'll get you]

Many parents are at work too, away from their kids. Neighbours aren't home to see the abduction or interfere. People aren't at the cemetery behind. Its essentially, a free run.

Daycare is rebated as a percentage, but its still not cheap. Many people resort to grandma to save the $60 a day. That is $80 gross you have to earn really. Also for casual workers, you cant just drop the kids in. You need a reserved spot.

With 2 people in a car, it could happen in under 5 seconds. But there was no sound of cars according to mum.

Thanx crabstick you got me thinking that there is a school bus stop closeby and many others around so IF someone wanted to grab a child there would be many opportunities around the 8.30 mark. Why wait till 10.30 to nab a child.