Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #15

[Abstar80]

Regarding the poor reception at the house- dad went to do a Skype interview, is it that the phone service is poor or the cell phone service is poor? Or both?

To make a skype call the internet reception would have to be strong as its VOIP not an actual phone call. Would be interesting to know if Benaroon Dr falls into a black spot on mobile reception.

Here is the mobile coverage map from vodafone. If Grandma didn't have internet access then it shows that the mobile reception would probably not have been strong enough to support a skype call.

http://www.vodafone.com.au/aboutvodafone/network/checker

That is just the vodafone network coverage but obviously telstra and optus supply those areas and they may have different strength ratings for service

 

[louisepiglet]

So here is what I think. Someone who knew that William and his family were leaving ti visit GM earlier than planned has passed that knowledge on to BS or someone else who lives in the vicinity of GM. LE should be looking for connections between those people and BS.

 

[Frankie85]

Absolutely.

And if it was planned, unless they are communicating telepathically, there would be a record of mobile phone calls made off the nearest tower.

I have the utmost respect for Jubelin and his team, and I believe that the information that is being dribbled down through the media is just the beginning of the deluge of information that is available.

The way I am looking at this all at the moment is that its a chess game. To me whomever is responsible for this is not your average piece of crap pedo. I believe Jubelin knows they are dealing with a sophisticated plan made by one or more persons who think they can outsmart everyone. If you look back at all the media coverage and the timing of the information released you can see Jubelin is just waiting to say check mate.

I am of the opinion that the police know everything there is to know about those cars, and I am not implying we are being played for fools.......I am saying whoever did this is.

Brilliantly said. I completely agree.

Check mate is coming....

 

[kiwi50]

True, louisepiglet, but what a h*ll of a feat to pull off given the logistics. I just think that somehow, through no fault of William's family, William's visit to his Grandmother's home was the catalyst for his abduction. In other words, I don't think it was premeditated, or even planned just; tragically, 'evil meeting innocence' and taking advantage of the situation as it always does.

I agree, I think it was totally spontaneous, if it had been planned the perp would have realised the chances of William running around the house may have been zero, and you can't really lurk for days without drawing attention, I think the plan would have been deemed way too risky, would be far easier ways to get a child.

I think the person who took William must have realised almost immediately what an insane thing they had done, they would have had no idea if anyone had seen them, panic would surely set in quickly, especially if you knew you were driving a distinctive vehicle. I don't believe they would have been able to act normally afterwards, am sure their partner is well aware of this, hence the continued appeals to what seems to be one specific person.

 

[richieswan]

Thanks for everyone's posts. Hard to keep up with this fast thread. There are many scenarios being discussed, all highly improbable. But, therefore, all equally possible. So here's my guess given the limited knowledge available.

I reckon the evil followed the family from Sydney. Two cars are better than one when following someone and carrying out this abduction. I don't think they really cared about being seen. Probably used chopped cars and fake/stolen number plates (LE would have worked out if any stolen cars matched those on the street). They may have planned to make a home intrusion to take William, but when the situation arose where William was alone they just leapt to that "opportunity". If this is actually close to being true, then there is a much larger and complex force in place. I won't speculate the motive as it would have to be a connection between evil and someone who would be affected by taking William (so let's not go there). But it does make me think Speddo and his peddo mates don't have anything to do with this (they were just accidentally exposed for other reasons).

All my opinion, which may change daily.

 

[Manny83]

To make a skype call the internet reception would have to be strong as its VOIP not an actual phone call. Would be interesting to know if Benaroon Dr falls into a black spot on mobile reception.

Here is the mobile coverage map from vodafone. If Grandma didn't have internet access then it shows that the mobile reception would probably not have been strong enough to support a skype call.

http://www.vodafone.com.au/aboutvodafone/network/checker

That is just the vodafone network coverage but obviously telstra and optus supply those areas and they may have different strength ratings for service

There's next to no telstra coverage
https://www.telstra.com.au/coverage-networks/our-coverage

ETA there's decent optus coverage though

 

[louisepiglet]

I agree, I think it was totally spontaneous, if it had been planned the perp would have realised the chances of William running around the house may have been zero, and you can't really lurk for days without drawing attention, I think the plan would have been deemed way too risky, would be far easier ways to get a child.

I think the person who took William must have realised almost immediately what an insane thing they had done, they would have had no idea if anyone had seen them, panic would surely set in quickly, especially if you knew you were driving a distinctive vehicle. I don't believe they would have been able to act normally afterwards, am sure their partner is well aware of this, hence the continued appeals to what seems to be one specific person.

This is such a mystery. My mind just keeps going around in circles. If it was a spontaneous crime then the perp was extremely lucky not to be found out by now. As someone said previously unplanned crimes tend to leave lots of evidence. And why are the police so interested in TWO cars. I just hope Williams family get some closure, hopefully by William being returned. And if the person who took William is reading this then man up and face the consequences of your actions. Filthy sick cowardly that you are. And anyone who knows who took William and is keeping a secret then you are a coward too.

 

[kiwi50]

I just cant imagine that BS would be that clever. Whoever did this has done it before IMO

I don't believe you would need to be clever to just pull up in your vehicle, leap out and grab William just be brazen , and sadly very lucky as it turned out, it could have been so different if anyone witnessed it.

 

[msadventure]

I think she meant that on the way to the airport (coffs?) she remembered what she'd seen that morning

So, earlier that morning, she has picked up her sister? Do you think that was her sister on the earlier news broadcasts?

 

[louisepiglet]

There's next to no telstra coverage
https://www.telstra.com.au/coverage-networks/our-coverage

I wonder who BS mobile phone account is with

 

[stormyseas]

So here is what I think. Someone who knew that William and his family were leaving ti visit GM earlier than planned has passed that knowledge on to BS or someone else who lives in the vicinity of GM. LE should be looking for connections between those people and BS.

BBM Interesting point... Early on in the investigation MSM referred to known sex offenders in the area. What are the odds that a fellow grandparent's support group member (or associate) also happened be a neighbour of GM?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-...eads-in-william-tyrrell-disappearance/5747954

"Police have said they cannot rule out the possibility the boy was abducted, and the ABC has been told police are also speaking with all known sex offenders in the region."

 

[Manny83]

So, earlier that morning, she has picked up her sister? Do you think that was her sister on the earlier news broadcasts?

No she picked up the sister at night (on the 12th) Though I thought she said that she first realized seeing the cars while she was still at grandma's and ran down to the command Centre to tell police? But I think in the audio interview she said she realized on the way to the airport

 

[crabstick]

That would be, cars parked all night, with the windows down. Odd.

Didn't FM say she saw the cars on the Thursday, when she went to get her sister at the airport. (What airport?) She then saw them the next morning. So the cars had been parked all night. Or am I totally confused here? (Which wouldn't be the first time!)

It sounds like, the opportune moment was there. An opportune moment a parent let their guard down. Targets could always be on the radar, someone waiting for all the ducks to fall in line.

The interesting thing is, the POI has a business with all the attributes to carry out these sorts of abductions. A flexible time line, free from the watchful eye of a boss, inside peoples houses knowing their movement and familiarising with victims etc. Im not saying it was him. Im saying his business is a business has the right cover to carry out these crimes. Painters, plumbers, pest control, roof plumbers, electricians, gardeners etc. Lots jobs around the house, lots of times during the day. Quotes etc. Highly mobile.

A lot of crims dress as tradies in work vehicles so they aren't noticed when they rob houses. People just think neighbours are having work done on their house without taking a second look.

Quote Originally Posted by Manny83 View Post
Completely agree. I've always wondered what jubelin means when he says this was opportunistic. Is it opportunistic in that a complete stranger who had no idea william was going to be there took him? (Extremely unlikely) or opportunistic in that someone alerted someone to the fact that william was outside playing/someone was watching and waiting and took the opportunity, and if it's the latter why isn't that classed as a planned abduction?

Police must be eliminating this through interview with GM and parents. Who did they tell? They would have to follow William to GMs otherwise. Hence Jubelin thinks, has ruled it opportunistic.

BBM Interesting point... Early on in the investigation MSM referred to known sex offenders in the area. What are the odds that a fellow grandparent's support group member (or associate) also happened be a neighbour of GM?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-...eads-in-william-tyrrell-disappearance/5747954

"Police have said they cannot rule out the possibility the boy was abducted, and the ABC has been told police are also speaking with all known sex offenders in the region."

 

[Karinna]

What is baffling to me is how would the perp/s know that William and his sister would be at that house without the mother, grandma or the dad supervising the children around that yard if they were outside playing? Or what if dad decided to take the kids to town with him to give his wife a break, or they decided to do other fun things away from the house. Who would know their every move unless they were being carefully watched for that particular moment when everything fell into place for them to grab William? And did they ever think that grandma's house could of even had surveillance cameras as lots of people do nowadays with home break ins. I think whoever took William knew things no one else would have known, and i think it was someone that knew grandma, or knew about the families movements that day, as another poster said perhaps they were followed to their destination from the city. It is true with a lot of these missing child cases that it is someone the family knows, or who they have been familiar with before.

 

[crabstick]

If you want regional coverage, Telstra is the account to have. It must be a dud area. Maybe that's why Williams father was heading away from the house for data coverage to hold a skype meeting.

That would mean there is a hole in tower triangulation. :thinking:

I wonder who BS mobile phone account is with

William was at the end of the drive on his own. What's that movie? He Who Waits?
I do wonder though, whether someone followed the family to grandmas, waiting for the right moment.

What is baffling to me is how would the perp/s know that William and his sister would be at that house without the mother, grandma or the dad supervising the children around that yard if they were outside playing? Or what if dad decided to take the kids to town with him to give his wife a break, or they decided to do other fun things away from the house. Who would know their every move unless they were being carefully watched for that particular moment when everything fell into place for them to grab William?

 

[Manny83]

Interesting read
http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...-tells-her-story/story-fnj3rq0y-1227524127546

 

[sosocurious]

So, earlier that morning, she has picked up her sister? Do you think that was her sister on the earlier news broadcasts?

She said she noticed the cars while she was playing with William in the garden that morning[ and realised after he had vanished that they too were gone.

“I realised that night that William went missing that I had actually seen two cars,” she said.

“I raced down to the command van, because they’d set up a command centre in the backyard and I raced down there and said I’d remembered the two cars and I described the cars to them and all that sort of thing.

“Those cars were not here, they were not there when we were looking for him.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ear-old-vanished/story-fni0cx12-1227522704458

 

[Karinna]

If you want regional coverage, Telstra is the account to have. It must be a dud area. Maybe that's why Williams father was heading away from the house for data coverage to hold a skype meeting.

That would mean there is a hole in tower triangulation. :thinking:



William was at the end of the drive on his own. What's that movie? He Who Waits?

Exactly, someone obviously seen the opportunity to take him exactly when they did. A very bold move IMO.

 

[Found]

I think there is two separate scenarios here. Ether it was opportunistic and it was BS. Or it was a planned abduction from someone who knew he was there hence the cars. I don't think there is a link between the 2. If you were in a pedophile ring and as a group decided you wanted to abduct a child why would you chose a child you were linked to via a repair? You would more then likely try a park etc. If BS was linked to the cars in the street its a very complex abduction. He would of heard there may be a child at this address, had no idea of what time he would be outside etc, no idea if they had plans for that day and if the parents would be around etc etc,

I believe it was BS or a planned abduction. Not a mixture of both and the police releasing the Information about the cars I tactically means the police are not sure about bs ether.


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[sosocurious]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rson-of-interest/story-e6frg6nf-1227523621775

Unrelated charges against BS are still before the court.
The charges were bought against him by Strike Force Roseann - BS denies the charges.

The charges being bought against him for something that occurred decades ago by the taskforce that is investigating William's disappearance suggests involvement. imo