Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #15

[Eloise]

damn good work Hilly... looks like the right kind of cars to me!

(of course it could also be coincidence... but still)

 

[crabstick]

Nup, complete opposite. Men everywhere that would rip your arms off and chew your throat out in a heartbeat. Cameras. People in numbers.

I agree with this. There are hundreds of places someone could snatch a child that would be less risky. The local playground, swimming pool, shopping centre, football match.

 

[Karinna]

Ugh, sadly to say.... no....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32413508



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235

Yes, those are shocking cases in England, and the scandals of the Jersey child abuse victims too from the children's home. I think in Australia though it is rare for very young children to be abducted, and most missing child cases involve family members, or someone who knows the family, i think from what i have read between 80-90%.

 

[Hilly]

Interesting and good find but is it 2015? And really its just the station wagon as other car not really the same but similar.

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There is a Google 2014 stamp on the Sedan it is really light you have to enlarge the car for closeup. I wasn't sure if the sedan was old or new or even the make not very car savvy.

 

[Eloise]

Nup, complete opposite. Men everywhere that would rip your arms off and chew your throat out in a heartbeat. Cameras. People in numbers.

Agreed. And it wouldn't be the first time a child was taken from a front yard.

 

[Eloise]

Yes, those are shocking cases in England, and the scandals of the Jersey child abuse victims too from the children's home. I think in Australia though it is rare for very young children to be abducted, and most missing child cases involve family members, or someone who knows the family, i think from what i have read between 80-90%.

Yes, it's very rare. But it happened to William. Family is not involved and it is an abduction. The police have said as much.

 

[Hilly]

damn good work Hilly... looks like the right kind of cars to me!

(of course it could also be coincidence... but still)

Thanks Eloise I thought the same.

 

[Found]

Heaps of comments I could reply to but near bedtime and one question keeps nagging at me... If William was abducted by BS where is he? Seriously what would he of done with him?


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[Karinna]

Yes, it's very rare. But it happened to William. Family is not involved and it is an abduction. The police have said as much.

Thankyou, i am well aware of what police have stated in this case, and i am not saying WT's family are involved, only that child abductions in Australia are hardly ever heard about or happen, and what stats. mention about stranger abductions involving very young children, but not necessarily in Australia.

 

[Hilly]

It could just be random crab stick but who knows. The White station wagon caught my eye as I was just cruising along Google earth Kew.

 

[Imagining]

BBM

Anything is possible.
The mention of Dad being called on a mobile was in an early msn article.

P: When did you guys last see him?
M: That morning, on the 12th at Mum’s place.
D: About 10.15am.
........................

D: I had a meeting and I arrived back and there was a bit of confusion if William was with me, because he’s always looking out for me and my car, and I was on my way back, and I’d arrived back and been asked if William was with me and I said no, then I immediately got out of the car and started looking around, and within 5 minutes we raised the alarm and I think I ran the perimeter of the whole street within about 10-15 minutes, and I mean, he wouldn’t, he’s not a wanderer, he wouldn’t even cross the street by himself. He wouldn’t go far.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-william-tyrrells-parents#HruYmcLzqYer9mTT.99

Part 2 of 60 minutes interview at 1:26

The first officer on the scene ran into the mum on the street. She was obviously upset.
Chris gets the family back to the house - to have a look inside.
This is where he meets the father.

http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/stories/2015/september/where-is-william/

What time did Mum place the call to BS I wonder?
Phone records would give exact times to the second. imo

BBM

For those who think it might be a hit, grab a child and run scenario, I want to say that it is quite unlikely he would run into the road by himself, just like what their parents said about their little boy, he wouldn't cross the street by himself. His parents know best.

• Both parents dismissed the suggestion the boy had wandered off: “He knows his limitations, he’s cautious”.

 

[Karinna]

Heaps of comments I could reply to but near bedtime and one question keeps nagging at me... If William was abducted by BS where is he? Seriously what would he of done with him?


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Well thats the million dollar question i suppose. I would think there would be a forensic trail if BS did it, because he has been pretty thoroughly checked out by police so far, and dug around his place of residence looking for clues.

 

[Eloise]

Thankyou, i am well aware of what police have stated in this case, and i am not saying WT's family are involved, only that child abductions in Australia are hardly ever heard about or happen, and what stats. mention about stranger abductions involving very young children, but not necessarily in Australia.

Probably at least in part due to a smaller population. I think we probably have just as high a chance here per head of population of having something like this happen but our smaller population means it happens less frequently. Maybe I'm off base there, but I don't think there is anything inherently special about the Australian population. There are just as many pedos and sickos here as anywhere. There's just less of them because there is less people.

But there have been other abducted children throughout the past few decades in Oz, some still famously unsolved... WT's not the first. I'd say his case is all a bit more mysterious than others, but the one advantage he has is Jubelin.

Also in the links I provided to the truly heinous UK pedophile ring, you'll note that that case has links to Australia as well as other countries. Child and pedophilia is a truly international crime.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Nup, complete opposite. Men everywhere that would rip your arms off and chew your throat out in a heartbeat. Cameras. People in numbers.

This was a social experiment conducted recently in the UK to show how easy it is to lure a child away. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ow-easy-it-is-to-kidnap-a-child-10223415.html

Every time I take my children to a park/pool etc, I am always amazed at the number of children there without parental supervision. Taking a child from this scenario is far less risky than waiting for a child who may or may not wander down a driveway a few metres from a house where a parent may or may not be watching that child.

 

[sosocurious]

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I have the same nagging question found.
If BS abducted William what has he done with him?
If he didn't what does he know?

imo

 

[Karinna]

Probably at least in part due to a smaller population. I think we probably have just as high a chance here per head of population of having something like this happen but our smaller population means it happens less frequently. Maybe I'm off base there, but I don't think there is anything inherently special about the Australian population. There are just as many pedos and sickos here as anywhere. There's just less of them because there is less people.

But there have been other abducted children throughout the past few decades in Oz, some still famously unsolved... WT's not the first. I'd say his case is all a bit more mysterious than others, but the one advantage he has is Jubelin.

Also in the links I provided to the truly heinous UK pedophile ring, you'll note that that case has links to Australia as well as other countries. Child and pedophilia is a truly international crime.

I agree with what you say, but i can't think of a very young child such as William that has been a stranger abduction in Aus. The only one i can think of is one of the Beaumont children and the little boy in that case was four years old.

 

[Imagining]

I think if someone took him He would not be in the front but the back? Also I would think he would of been restrained wether it be drugs or kiddy locked etc. I find it unlikely he was just sitting in the front seat.


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If the the two cars were involved and they had their windows opened to the front seat, I have mentioned this in previous post that it is possible that it was for dumping the kid into the car through the window.

The child would be at the passenger seat at the front, then the perpetrator opened the door, jumped into the car and drove off. That would be the quickest way or the shortest time to escape.

If the perpetrator, instead, use one hand holding a child and the other hand searching for car key to open the car door which could take more time and risk the child running away with just one hand.

He can then drive to somewhere else, stop the car, shift the child to somewhere at the back of the car just to hide him and then continue with his journey.

 

[crabstick]

I think they are onto this one at my pools. Never mind the cameras.
At least 6 pool guards analysing the place at anytime. Then there is the door staff with turn stiles.
Your child is not allowed into a pool without a parent and a supervision arm band.
I guess it does vary place to place; country to country.

And yet Australias kids going from bus stops and driveways. Madeleine McCain from holiday unit.

I think luring a child away is very doable, but as part of the control in the experiment, you have to have the very real possibility of a father etc bashing you so hard you don't speak properly again. That adds a certain dimension to the abductor. Fear. Its not like a pub fight. Your fingers are getting chewed off. You are being attacked by someone who can see their child being stolen.

This here is a soft target.

This was a social experiment conducted recently in the UK to show how easy it is to lure a child away. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ow-easy-it-is-to-kidnap-a-child-10223415.html

Every time I take my children to a park/pool etc, I am always amazed at the number of children there without parental supervision. Taking a child from this scenario is far less risky than waiting for a child who may or may not wander down a driveway a few metres from a house where a parent may or may not be watching that child.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

BBM

For those who think it might be a hit, grab a child and run scenario, I want to say that it is quite unlikely he would run into the road by himself, just like what their parents said about their little boy, he wouldn't cross the street by himself. His parents know best.

• Both parents dismissed the suggestion the boy had wandered off: “He knows his limitations, he’s cautious”.

No parent can say with certainty that their 3 year old wouldn't run out onto a road. Small children have tunnel vision and very little comprehension of safety. I dont think the parents were saying he would never go on to a road. They were saying he was cautious and wouldnt cross a road by himself.

My five year old wouldn't cross a road by himself and he is not a wanderer. But if a ball he was playing with went on a road, he would probably run straight after it.

 

[Imagining]

I agree kind of... I know that paedophile rings exist and swap children around to be abused etc, but the children are usually their own children or children that they have easy, risk-free access to (eg. a friend who allows them to babysit). I can't think of any other cases where a child in a happy home was just snatched in an abduction by a paedophile ring - it's just too risky. Everyone is out looking for the child, the police are raiding homes and taking computers, there are too many paedophiles who know what happened to the child and could let the secret out, and the whole ring is in jeopardy. Why take that risk when they can just groom children that they already have access to?

In a way, paedophile rings are *too* well organised to take such a risk. I can't think of a single other case where it has happened. There are cases where paedophiles have adopted a child and then passed them around a paedophile ring, but abducting a child and then keeping them alive and passing them around is just too risky. The chances are too great that someone will recognise the child and report it... The only cases I can think of where a paedophile has kept a child alive for a long time after snatching them are cases where the abductor has kept them almost completely hidden for years and told no one else about the child. Not passed them around a ring or put videos of them online or anything like that. Yes it's possible, but a person acting alone or with a friend is much more likely rather than an organised kidnapping that involved a whole group of people.

So I am feeling that the abductor wanted WT so badly, he is willing to take the high risk to get WT no matter what.