Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #16

[Puggle]

When the detective said that WT disappearance seems to be an opportunistic case, doesn't that kind of saying BS was unlikely the abductor? If it was BS, the detective would had said it seems to be a planned abduction.

No.... if he just happened to drive there to do the repair and came across William.... and something stirred within him...and he took William - then it would be totally opportunistic... no forethought...just random and without planning..

Sadly.....their have been studies and their are people who are known as "Situational Opportunists".... Maybe??? .....this was the case with William.....

 

[sosocurious]

A thousand and one things running through my mind...and so many posts to catch up on.

Things to catch up on ...DATE that the case was referred to the coroner
When did Superintendent Paul Fehon cease being in charge of the case...and Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin take over

What is the significance of those dates...

I found in GAPA records police attended one of their meeting on the 27th of April and this is when members were interviewed..

Dates of the raid on William Harrie Speddings home ??


The dates...of all significant.. things grrr.. it's there... Just need to see it!!!

Gary Jubelin was reported in the media to be taking the lead of the case on 29th Jan.
following the retirement of Detective Inspector Hans Rupp.
This is the only time I had heard of Hans Rupp.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2850333/top-investigator-appointed-in-search-for-william-tyrrell/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1227534080224


It was confirmed by the coroners office that the matter was referred on the 30th Jan. But there has been no formal request.

 

[Found]

Welcome Little Scout
I agree why wouldn't he?

Privately BS told police that several days before William disappeared he had been at the grandmothers home.
But had no involvement in what had happened on the 12 September.
He told police that day he was in a different town repairing a fridge as well as attending the school event.
Colin may be correct in saying that the police were not aware of the coffee with MS until the week following the raids.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...523621775?sv=1be6ed310e1cd29538c3b82917e14a83

Privately what does that mean?

Gee I hope he did not say the fridge he was fixing was for one of the recently charged sex offenders.

MICHAEL WILLING, NSW POLICE HOMICIDE SQUAD: At its very highest, he's a person of interest, but he's not the only line of inquiry, and I want to stress that: he is not the only line of inquiry. There is a lot of information that we're working through with this case.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4192949.htm

This statement always confused me but it makes perfect sense now. imo


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...523621775?sv=1be6ed310e1cd29538c3b82917e14a83

I agree somewhat but really he had a 3 hour period to work with. Could he if not had a coffee at 10am, left at 1015 and gone to school at 12? Still time to abduct Wt.

I've never been convinced bs is involved until his home video to be honest. And it's not his video but WHY he made the video. There must of been something said in the interview that implicated him as immediately he went into defence mode. I'm guessing the vehiciles. And he seems to of lost a few allies if Facebook is taken that way....... Something's suss.


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[Puggle]

Still catching up.....

Aerial shots of the area suggest a possibility that (Un named Properties) within close range of the abduction site possibly could contain vehicles suggestive of those mentioned in the 60 minutes programme.

Nearmap??....there are other sites that don't require payed membership to gain Aerial shots and some of those indicate similar (from an aerial perspective) similar vehicles possibly white station wagon/grey sedan - within the same property parked close to the house of that property - within a few hundred meters of the Grandmothers house.....

I have to believe that police have far greater resources than we do..... and it makes me wonder.... they are suggesting a very close!!!..... situation...to William's abduction....

How does that..."close" and Bill Spedding tie in together.....

I just can't see this as a planned event..

 

[7777]

No.... if he just happened to drive there to do the repair and came across William.... and something stirred within him...and he took William - then it would be totally opportunistic... no forethought...just random and without planning..

Sadly.....their have been studies and their are people who are known as "Situational Opportunists".... Maybe??? .....this was the case with William.....

BBM "Something stirred within him" ... what if whomever took William saw something that concerned them, and took him to protect him?

Alternatively, I wonder if William's appearance is similar in any way to any of the other children that BS has fostered or come into contact with over the years? If so, seeing him might have triggered memories of some kind.

I'd love the police to get a psych report done on BS to see how he thinks and how he responds to certain things.

 

[7777]

I agree somewhat but really he had a 3 hour period to work with. Could he if not had a coffee at 10am, left at 1015 and gone to school at 12? Still time to abduct Wt.

I've never been convinced bs is involved until his home video to be honest. And it's not his video but WHY he made the video. There must of been something said in the interview that implicated him as immediately he went into defence mode. I'm guessing the vehiciles. And he seems to of lost a few allies if Facebook is taken that way....... Something's suss.


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BBM"Those who shout the loudest have the most to hide" ...

 

[7777]

My sincerest apologies if this has already been covered elsewhere within the threads, but in case it hasn't:

Does anyone know if there is technology whereby you can look at a place anywhere on earth at a certain point of time? I mean, we have all these surveillance things up in space, don't we? If there is such a thing - and I suspect there is - why can't the police just zoom in and capture every 30 seconds of a set timeframe that morning (to see exactly what happened)? I appreciate something like this would probably cost an absolute fortune, but surely no more than funding all the staff working on this case?

Edited to add:
Okay, so there's this: http://history.nasa.gov/NP-119/ch7.htm - which captures 90 minute intervals. But I'm sure what I'm suggesting could be done!

 

[msadventure]

"Privately BS told police that several days before William disappeared he had been at the grandmothers home."

Would this be his private 10 page statement with the Police?

 

[Found]

BBM "Something stirred within him" ... what if whomever took William saw something that concerned them, and took him to protect him?

Alternatively, I wonder if William's appearance is similar in any way to any of the other children that BS has fostered or come into contact with over the years? If so, seeing him might have triggered memories of some kind.

I'd love the police to get a psych report done on BS to see how he thinks and how he responds to certain things.

Sorry but if it had anything to do with protecting Wt he would have surely gone to police by now.


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[7777]

Sorry but if it had anything to do with protecting Wt he would have surely gone to police by now.


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Or potentially not, given his history (which they subsequently found out anyway)

 

[Puggle]

My sincerest apologies if this has already been covered elsewhere within the threads, but in case it hasn't:

Does anyone know if there is technology whereby you can look at a place anywhere on earth at a certain point of time? I mean, we have all these surveillance things up in space, don't we? If there is such a thing - and I suspect there is - why can't the police just zoom in and capture every 30 seconds of a set timeframe that morning (to see exactly what happened)? I appreciate something like this would probably cost an absolute fortune, but surely no more than funding all the staff working on this case?

Edited to add:
Okay, so there's this: http://history.nasa.gov/NP-119/ch7.htm - which captures 90 minute intervals. But I'm sure what I'm suggesting could be done!

These 90 minute intervals don't - ATM capture every point in time at every space YET!!!...but they will eventually..

what if whomever took William saw something that concerned them, and took him to protect him?

What could possibly be seen or determined in a matter of ??? a minute or two - to concern anyone to abduct a child and withhold them for over twelve months ???...with so much media and the parent's pleas....arrrggghhh insanity???

A deranged abductor with visions of self righteousness..... honestly something I've never considered...but your guess is as good as mine....but yeah nah IMO...don't see it...sorry.

 

[Imagining]

7777, very funny, yes, it would be good if we could collect images from the nasa satallite every 30 sec, we would be able to go back in time, many unsolved mysteries would have been solved. very good thought.

might be those nasa satellite don't goes into that details? and perhaps privacy issues as well?

 

[Imagining]

remember mh370, the satellite images of objects were pretty far, it required people physically goes to the site to confirm whether the objects was mh370, but always turned out not to be the plane.

 

[7777]

7777, very funny, yes, it would be good if we could collect images from the nasa satallite every 30 sec, we would be able to go back in time, many unsolved mysteries would have been solved. very good thought.

might be those nasa satellite don't goes into that details? and perhaps privacy issues as well?

<modsnip>

Yes, it could be done - and the link states that it drills down into details; but actually getting the information would involve governments consenting to use of the data.

 

[sosocurious]

BBM "Something stirred within him" ... what if whomever took William saw something that concerned them, and took him to protect him?

Alternatively, I wonder if William's appearance is similar in any way to any of the other children that BS has fostered or come into contact with over the years? If so, seeing him might have triggered memories of some kind.

I'd love the police to get a psych report done on BS to see how he thinks and how he responds to certain things.

I haven't seen it said that BS fostered any other children. I recall his son saying he had taken children in over the years.

Yes a psych report would be interesting.
In the mean time his mate Colin said BS had an excellent attitude on life and "The only time I seen him real upset was when they nabbed him and took him and Margaret in for an interview.
He was devastated, wondering why? Why him? Just outta the blue."

I wonder how that interview went?
I guess MS just needed some reassurance from the clairvoyant that her husband did not have any involvement.

Colin has informed us the public of so much.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

 

[7777]

(Edited to add that this reply was to 'Imagining' about MH370):
Very true, but that was due to the depth of the ocean, was it not?

 

[7777]

I haven't seen it said that BS fostered any other children. I recall his son saying he had taken children in over the years.

Yes a psych report would be interesting.
In the mean time his mate Colin said BS had an excellent attitude on life and "The only time I seen him real upset was when they nabbed him and took him and Margaret in for an interview.
He was devastated, wondering why? Why him? Just outta the blue."

I wonder how that interview went?
I guess MS just needed some reassurance from the clairvoyant that her husband did not have any involvement.

Colin has informed us the public of so much.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

I hope I'm allowed to post this link - I do stand corrected as it just states the children in question were 'in his care' (as opposed to being 'fostered':
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hildren-removed-care-time-police-swooped.html

 

[7777]

These 90 minute intervals don't - ATM capture every point in time at every space YET!!!...but they will eventually..

what if whomever took William saw something that concerned them, and took him to protect him?

What could possibly be seen or determined in a matter of ??? a minute or two - to concern anyone to abduct a child and withhold them for over twelve months ???...with so much media and the parent's pleas....arrrggghhh insanity???

A deranged abductor with visions of self righteousness..... honestly something I've never considered...but your guess is as good as mine....but yeah nah IMO...don't see it...sorry.

I'm trying to see things from a different angle by supposing that - assuming it was BS who took him (and I feel very strongly he did) - did go to the house that day, and something happened or triggered him to take William. Maybe he didn't come forward because he thought the family he was with were doing something terrible? What was initially done in the heat of the moment became too deep for himself to get himself out the situation. If he owned up to what he'd done then there was danger that other things he's done could come to the police's attention. The more time has progressed, the deeper the whole he has dug and the more he has tried to proclaim his innocence, what with the TV interview a few months ago and now this YouTube clip. "How could this man possibly be guilty, when he's fronting up to the public like this?", many people would be asking.

I'm not claiming to know what's going through BS' or anyone else's minds, but I'm just trying to think of other scenarios which could turn out to be of help because they haven't been discussed before.

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[sosocurious]

I'm trying to see things from a different angle by supposing that - assuming it was BS who took him (and I feel very strongly he did) - did go to the house that day, and something happened or triggered him to take William. Maybe he didn't come forward because he thought the family he was with were doing something terrible? What was initially done in the heat of the moment became too deep for himself to get himself out the situation. If he owned up to what he'd done then there was danger that other things he's done could come to the police's attention. The more time has progressed, the deeper the whole he has dug and the more he has tried to proclaim his innocence, what with the TV interview a few months ago and now this YouTube clip. "How could this man possibly be guilty, when he's fronting up to the public like this?", many people would be asking.

I'm not claiming to know what's going through BS' or anyone else's minds, but I'm just trying to think of other scenarios which could turn out to be of help because they haven't been discussed before.

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I am of the same opinion - but the thing I am struggling to understand is that BS has sat by and watch and allowed his mate to give numerous interviews to the media. Why?
Nothing his mate has said has helped BS's cause. imo
It has just raised more doubt and suspicion - for me anyway.
If this was indeed an opportunistic abduction as the police believe than something did triggered the person to snatch William, what?
Sexual gratification seems to be the belief of the investigating team.

 

[Bohemian]

Aaaaarrrrgggghhhh! *slaps self around the head*

Note to Self: Do not, I repeat; do not, check this thread when you wake up in the middle of the night.

Anyway, now that I'm here:

I, for one, am extremely grateful that DI Jubelin has Sarah Yule, a forensic profiler, on this case.

My greatest fear is that William was taken by someone who is of high intelligence and (hopefully only they) think they can't be caught. If so, this is a real 'cat and mouse' game and investigators are going to be stretched to their limits. It also means other children are (or already have been) in incredible danger until this person is caught, as William may only be 'the start'.

Additional Note to Self: Stop, I repeat; stop, eating cheese before bedtime; you know it gives you nightmares.

That is all *trundles off to make a cuppa and check the fridge for leftover cheese*