Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #16

[Karo]

Can I just be a person who questions the assumptions of others instead of a supporter of a POI please?

I am trying to stop myself believing what I read in MSM, invariably they are wrong, there is so much wrong with so many reports, different wording, different time frames, slow leaking of information.
In the Kiesha circumstances, it was clear from the beginning that the mother and stepfather were involved, however, they had to wait for them to lead them to the little body.

I imagine the police, detectives have so much evidence...forensic and the like and could make a circumstantial case for child abduction against a particular POI ...BUT without a body or other solid information... hold out hope that maybe William could be alive and was passed on...hence the follow up on potential connections to "Like Minded Individuals" that a POI was associated with .... we can't prove - too date....but obviously police have found a connection there somewhere...

It's all in the dates of the investigation...from start till now..and what we have been dripped fed from media...

William went missing on the 12th.... Sex crimes investigators were brought in on the 15th....16th known sex offenders were being interviewed...

Early January Fehon denies reports that they are treating the case as a targeted abduction.

Mid January Bill Speddings house is raided.

Jubelin (Homicide Detective) takes over case...

January 29th - Search of Bushland- Lake Cathie area undertaken (mere Km's from Bill's home) taken place

????? Case notes sent to coroner....why???

April - reports of possible paedophile ring involvement... GAPA members interviewed in this period of time..

June: Release of spiderman toy found in POI's van....timing???...... this toy would have been found in January...why release this info 6 months later??? Strategy?? Media manipulation...for the greater good...no doubt!!!

September: 60 minute interview....

Response: Bill Spedding You tube video

What it all means.... still not sure in my head...but feel that a reflection of the dates of the investigation would give a clearer picture of what the investigators are thinking....12 months..One Year!!!...we have everything here...from thread number 1 till now...to know what they are thinking....just a matter of linking it together.

And for any supporter of a POI reading here..... think hard!!!.... google search ""typical traits of paedophiles"....they seem the kindest of souls, interested in children,....even gravitate to activities involving children....don't be fooled.....any slightest doubt should be reported...... William was/is only a child....a baby...he has his whole life ahead of him......no misguided loyalty should stop an individual who cares about CHILDREN...BABIES...from sending in an anonymous report to crime stoppers of some one the feel uneasy about...

 

[krig101]

BBM

Here are a couple of comments by Colin I find very interesting;

Four days before William went missing, *Spedding had visited William’s grandmother in Benaroon Drive to repair her washing machine. He took away a part and was supposed to return the day that William disappeared, to fix the machine. But, he told his friend Colin *Youngberry, he never went to Kendall that day and was with his wife in Laurieton attending a school function instead. Youngberry says Bill and *Margaret Spedding had a coffee afterwards and that Bill’s bank records show he was in Laurieton at the time William disappeared

So if this has been reported correctly by CY, then BS only told him he wasn't there. Secondly, the bank records show he was in Laurieton. I have a joint account with my wife and we regularly share our credit / debit cards. This doesn't prove anything IMO.

Heres one from RS

He says his father was due to go to William’s grandmother’s house on the day William disappeared, to fix her washing machine, but “he went to an award ceremony at the school, where one of the boys was getting an award, so he ended up going there rather than going out on that day to William’s grandmother’s”. He says his father told him that he phoned the grandmother to say he would not be coming to fix the washing machine.


This states that RS was told by his father BS. If MS was with him, why didn't she verify that as well?

I really think they have the right person...

I have always found it interesting that there has never been any comments from MS saying "BS was with me having coffee then we went to the assembly." Instead, silence....

My husband and I always use each others cards too.

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[gregjrichards]

Has any body language expert analysed the person of interest particularly the youtube video? I would love to know what they think of him.

 

[HavenWood]

Except at the media has it wrong, so what else did they get wrong?
BS had coffee with MS before the school event.
It is not legal to use anyone else's credit/debit card, even a partners, it's in the terms of use if you check. (I used my partner's log in details online to access our bank account and the bank guy went nuts at me and spent a good half hour telling me what I can and can't do and I could be prosecuted.)

It may not be legal ... but I bet a heap of people, especially married couples, do.

 

[bearbear]

this news article has a timeline of events
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...line-follows-disappearance-of-nsw-boy/6274088

 

[bearbear]

Here's a version not behind a paywall [emoji3]

From the Australian Crime News Site:

https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=804822206268634&id=114990695251792&substory_index=0

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thankyou king!
hopefully theyre closing in
The analysts are now sifting through and cross-checking everything they have. They have established that around 200 people were within a 1km radius of *William’s grandmother’s house when he went missing. They are checking and plotting the movements of every single one of those people. Progress, the detectives say, is being able to exclude people from the investigation. Each time they do so, the field narrows.

 

[HavenWood]

Can I just be a person who questions the assumptions of others instead of a supporter of a POI please?

I am trying to stop myself believing what I read in MSM, invariably they are wrong, there is so much wrong with so many reports, different wording, different time frames, slow leaking of information.
In the Kiesha circumstances, it was clear from the beginning that the mother and stepfather were involved, however, they had to wait for them to lead them to the little body.

I don't think Puggle was directing the "supporter of a POI" comment at you Karo.
I think it was a comment put out there just on the chance that maybe somebody connected to a POI (family member or close friend) might come on here and read what is being said. Basically a plea that if that person has any info ... or if there is any doubt in their mind .... to please do the right thing and let the police know.
And I totally agree with that.
Do it anonymously if you want .... but if you (meaning anybody reading this) do know something .... anything .... that will help find William ... then please do the right thing. This is a child we are talking about. An innocent little boy, who has a sister, and a mummy and daddy who love and miss him. Nothing in this world is more important than protecting those who are unable to protect themselves.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I wish I hadn't read that, it's made me cry

And worse still, he was allowed out on bail! I know this a broad generalisation, but it many recent cases the Qld judicial system is a joke and very frustrating for police.

Sorry, painexpress - just caught up and saw your post, so ditto!

 

[Bohemian]

this news article has a timeline of events
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...line-follows-disappearance-of-nsw-boy/6274088

Thanks babe. Very handy.

 

[AlwaysCurious77]

Wouldn’t that be making it too obvious making contact with someone on the same day that you are committing a crime from?

My view on that is he was trying to establish some kind of alibi. From what we know so far William's mum called BS that morning. Then BS says he called them. Then later that afternoon he calls again. I think he did that to try to make it look like he wasn't involved - 'I couldn't have been the one who did it because I called in the afternoon.'

If he is indeed the perp the fact that he went back there to repair that machine in the days following the abduction is horrendous.

 

[Puggle]

I don't think Puggle was directing the "supporter of a POI" comment at you Karo.
I think it was a comment put out there just on the chance that maybe somebody connected to a POI (family member or close friend) might come on here and read what is being said. Basically a plea that if that person has any info ... or if there is any doubt in their mind .... to please do the right thing and let the police know.
And I totally agree with that.
Do it anonymously if you want .... but if you (meaning anybody reading this) do know something .... anything .... that will help find William ... then please do the right thing. This is a child we are talking about. An innocent little boy, who has a sister, and a mummy and daddy who love and miss him. Nothing in this world is more important than protecting those who are unable to protect themselves.

Thank you Havenwood....

Yes my post was just a random typing of thought and feelings .... and yes I think the possibility that someone who knows what happened to William could read our comments here.... simple search of William Tyrell...and this website will pop up.

So again... if anyone is reading - If you know something have some human decency and come forward and be a voice for William, he is only a child!!!

 

[crabstick]

No doubt the coppers will have the POIs time-line down to the minute. To be a POI the police mustn't believe the story in its entirety.

Unfortunately for the POI, the job choice is a perfect cover for the situation that has occurred. Anyone else wouldn't have such liberty to drive around with no accountability from a boss, apart from the mrs, be in peoples houses and an excuse to be there to some degree, unannounced.

We have just had a robbery around the corner. Two blokes drove around, pulled in a neighbours drive after the father went to work. They took half the house. Neighbours presume they are working on the house. Most don't take a second look. Lucky one neighbour not going to work noticed a car and took the details.

Criminals choose specific covers to camouflage their real reason for being there, and specific cars with specific colours.

Unfortunately, many of them learn more and meet many contacts in prison.

Particular interest to me is the Perth paedophile ring. How on earth did these fellows meet? There is like 8 of them. How many more of them is there? How did the father find clients for his daughter? This must have been internet related or via the church.

The girl’s father and seven other men are facing a combined total of 503 charges.

Title: Perth pedophile ring exposed
Website: The West Australian Regional
Author: Grant Taylor, Gabrielle Knowles and Amanda Banks
Published: July 30, 2015
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/regional/south-west/a/29114266/perth-pedophile-ring-exposed/

The internet is changing though. Based on your internet usage new algorithms can essentially predict your persona based on what you look at, even if it is not . Based on what books you read, what content you read, what your interests are, will give you a level of propensity to be a particular criminal. Essentially a server algorithm can establish if you are a criminal.

I was unfortunate to work with to work with some scum. He was selling DVDs on the job which he said was . Why would you be selling on DVDs over your mobile phone when the internet is about 70% content? People were rocking up on the job after a phone call to buy off him. What, the adult shop no good? He was a drug addict so he needed cash. He was selling DVDs in the middle a public space.

Unfortunately prison is a meet and greet place with diplomas in not very nice which is why judges are reluctant to send some to prison. Unfortunately, I believe prisoners also have internet access. Monitored but to what extent Im not sure. :facepalm:

There is no reason why prisoners may be some the users here. They definitely turn up other places. If they can make alcohol from orange juice and Vegemite.

 

[Freddo Frog]

Found this after reading about the child care worker linked above. Another with crimes going back over a decade, another person with responsibility for kids

Then there's this... "Last September, the mother of one of Davies’ students was also jailed for sending him sexually explicit images of her own daughters.

The woman will spend 18 months behind bars."

Sick, sick, sick people.




http://www.9news.com.au/National/2015/09/21/16/33/Sydney-dance-teacher-pleads-guilty-to-child-sex-offences-against-students-as-young-as-nine

 

[Karo]

I wasn't suggesting it was targeting me but when you are the rare person questioning it can feel like that. I can only focus on one thing at a time and though I don't believe WT is safe and ever coming home, I still hold out the hope that I am wrong.
I also wonder where the information came from about BS's movements that day as one report I read (statement by police) suggests that media may be in trouble in the future if this particular POI is found not to be involved.

I don't think Puggle was directing the "supporter of a POI" comment at you Karo.
I think it was a comment put out there just on the chance that maybe somebody connected to a POI (family member or close friend) might come on here and read what is being said. Basically a plea that if that person has any info ... or if there is any doubt in their mind .... to please do the right thing and let the police know.
And I totally agree with that.
Do it anonymously if you want .... but if you (meaning anybody reading this) do know something .... anything .... that will help find William ... then please do the right thing. This is a child we are talking about. An innocent little boy, who has a sister, and a mummy and daddy who love and miss him. Nothing in this world is more important than protecting those who are unable to protect themselves.

 

[Wexford]

Can I just be a person who questions the assumptions of others instead of a supporter of a POI please?

I am trying to stop myself believing what I read in MSM, invariably they are wrong, there is so much wrong with so many reports, different wording, different time frames, slow leaking of information.
In the Kiesha circumstances, it was clear from the beginning that the mother and stepfather were involved, however, they had to wait for them to lead them to the little body.

I followed that case very closely for a number of reasons and I dont believe it was made clear to the public that LE knew from the beginning that the mother and stepfather were involved (I am sure that they DID know). Certainly the public started to believe it quite early on it because of the subsequent behaviour as well as the history of the (for want of a better word) 'parents'. I dont remember the two 'parents' (I refuse to name them as they are vile and despicable and best forgotten) being named as POI's in the media as in this case. I do remember them being interviewed and their crocodile tears. I also remember the close family friend who turned against them when she realised the truth and helped solve the case. I have a lot of respect for her. She was one of the heroes of that case to me. She is Alison Anderson. And she should be remembered. Perhaps there is a hero in the public for this case too?
This case has been handled differently from the beginning but I believe the only real difference is that there is a good chance the child is (or was) still alive and also lets not forget....a very good chance there are other people who quite possibly are involved, may be lots of other people. And when you start talking paedophile 'rings' you are looking at not only other perps but also other kids in danger and in potential danger.

 

[HavenWood]

No doubt the coppers will have the POIs time-line down to the minute. To be a POI the police mustn't believe the story in its entirety.

Unfortunately for the POI, the job choice is a perfect cover for the situation that has occurred. Anyone else wouldn't have such liberty to drive around with no accountability from a boss, apart from the mrs, be in peoples houses and an excuse to be there to some degree, unannounced.

We have just had a robbery around the corner. Two blokes drove around, pulled in a neighbours drive after the father went to work. They took half the house. Neighbours presume they are working on the house. Most don't take a second look. Lucky one neighbour not going to work noticed a car and took the details.

Criminals choose specific covers to camouflage their real reason for being there, and specific cars with specific colours.

Unfortunately, many of them learn more and meet many contacts in prison.

Particular interest to me is the Perth paedophile ring. How on earth did these fellows meet? There is like 8 of them. How many more of them is there? How did the father find clients for his daughter? This must have been internet related or via the church.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/regional/south-west/a/29114266/perth-pedophile-ring-exposed/

The internet is changing though. Based on your internet usage new algorithms can essentially predict your persona based on what you look at, even if it is not . Based on what books you read, what content you read, what your interests are, will give you a level of propensity to be a particular criminal. Essentially a server algorithm can establish if you are a criminal.

I was unfortunate to work with to work with some scum. He was selling DVDs on the job which he said was . Why would you be selling on DVDs over your mobile phone when the internet is about 70% content? People were rocking up on the job after a phone call to buy off him. What, the adult shop no good? He was a drug addict so he needed cash. He was selling DVDs in the middle a public space.

Unfortunately prison is a meet and greet place with diplomas in not very nice which is why judges are reluctant to send some to prison. Unfortunately, I believe prisoners also have internet access. Monitored but to what extent Im not sure. :facepalm:

There is no reason why prisoners may be some the users here. They definitely turn up other places. If they can make alcohol from orange juice and Vegemite.

Unfortunately most paedophiles would be using the dark net rather than the standard web. All the activity is through VPN's that give fake IPs. There is encryption and all types of ways of hiding what they are doing.
If you were to try and find child on the normal web, you would be hard pressed to find much. Darknet there are forums and stuff specifically for those type of people.

 

[Wexford]

And this one:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-ch...decent-assault-of-girl-2-20150604-ghggfr.html

 

[Imagining]

Reason - when asked he says "I didn't do it - I wasn't even there that day" (pp)

Most folk would say "I didn't do it - I've never hurt anyone in my life"

"I wasn't even there that day." It does made me wonder if he is playing with words, if there is any other meaning behind those words, to me, it might sounds like, "I didn't do it, my mate did it."

Nowadays, I don't try to analyse too much on people's reaction, facial expression or response, I found that different people do respond to things differently but they could be meaning the same thing. There could be something else totally unrelated to the incident in the person's mind that made them respond in a certain way and not what I would had expected.

Even if BS do come out and say things like what Bill Clinton had said publically eyes facing the TV that "I did not had sex with Lewinsky", it really doesn't made any difference to me and it really could means something else. I think back then no one did believe Bill Clinton’s statement. It was better to keep quiet, let the truth came out without lying to the public making things worse, and perhaps made a confession with apology.

 

[crabstick]

I think this is a common human mistake. Way too much focus on POIs and not enough finding the evidence surrounding the crime. Its way too easy to lock onto a POI and make a case but it doesn't look at the bigger picture; that may be finding William.

Can I just be a person who questions the assumptions of others instead of a supporter of a POI please?

I am trying to stop myself believing what I read in MSM, invariably they are wrong, there is so much wrong with so many reports, different wording, different time frames, slow leaking of information.
In the Kiesha circumstances, it was clear from the beginning that the mother and stepfather were involved, however, they had to wait for them to lead them to the little body.

Did William ever venture outside grandmas backyard before? Did he ever visit the forest adjacent? The image discovered on another site taken from 'Streetview'? had discolouration of red with a white SUV in the background. The question is, like the boy on the train image, had it been photoshopped, because the boy on the train is heavily photoshopped. The boy on the train is a fake.

Hilly posted a Nearmaps image that showed a grey car up the corner on Beneroon Drive very similar to the one in the 60 minutes image.

The difference with Nearmaps, is it is much higher resolution than Google Earth. There is also other government datasets, not of the day that would show this style of image in high resolution. There is other clustered government servers with image datasets used for eg:land analysis. If the cars are there, its not the first time they were in the street.

Heres one, Ill see if it has high res public.
https://six.nsw.gov.au/wps/portal/

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/imagery_programs

 

[riverch]

My view on that is he was trying to establish some kind of alibi. From what we know so far William's mum called BS that morning. Then BS says he called them. Then later that afternoon he calls again. I think he did that to try to make it look like he wasn't involved - 'I couldn't have been the one who did it because I called in the afternoon.'

If he is indeed the perp the fact that he went back there to repair that machine in the days following the abduction is horrendous.

I agree. Remember Kiesha Abrahams Weippeart's mum? How she cried (crocodile) tears and leant on her friends for support ... begging for information about her daughter? I mean, how could someone do such a thing and claim to be innocent, getting support and pity from family and friends? But then most people saw right through that, just like most people have a gut feeling about BS.

I also think his youtube clip is the biggest whack job out. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I think he has done this so he can later claim he was insane or not given proper legal advice. It's such poor quality that you can't really make out any facial expressions which can give away a lot of information.