Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #16

[crabstick]

The interesting thing is, if someone had taken a forest route to avoid detection, hunters have remote IR cameras. Has someone been busted? The road has been used by vehicles, at least by soft roader AWD SUV.

The back of Williams appears to have worn grass, a through the trees. Did kids move through properties with open fences?

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Source URL: https://six.nsw.gov.au

 

[crabstick]

Unfortunately with the naming of a POI comes the overzealous vigilante. The presumptuous Ninjas. I can appreciate any POI with anxiety.

When I was young I contemplated being backyard ninja. I had conjured several different methods of how he was going to die. Police said they had their guy, it was him. Then I realised probably not good idea. As it turned out, later he was cleared.

 

[Bohemian]

I think this is a common human mistake. Way too much focus on POIs and not enough finding the evidence surrounding the crime. Its way too easy to lock onto a POI and make a case but it doesn't look at the bigger picture; that may be finding William.

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BBM.

*throws deerstalker hat in the air and inadvertently drops magnifying glass*

Bravo my dear Crabby!

 

[Karo]

It is incomprehensible to me that people are involved in pedophile behaviour, I suppose hard for most of us to understand it at all.
I had a bad feeling about Kiesha's family from the very beginning, I don't think I said much at the time though, and no idea why and nothing really that stood out, to me. With the WT thing I can't settle to any one idea and it makes me a bit crazy.

I followed that case very closely for a number of reasons and I dont believe it was made clear to the public that LE knew from the beginning that the mother and stepfather were involved (I am sure that they DID know). Certainly the public started to believe it quite early on it because of the subsequent behaviour as well as the history of the (for want of a better word) 'parents'. I dont remember the two 'parents' (I refuse to name them as they are vile and despicable and best forgotten) being named as POI's in the media as in this case. I do remember them being interviewed and their crocodile tears. I also remember the close family friend who turned against them when she realised the truth and helped solve the case. I have a lot of respect for her. She was one of the heroes of that case to me. She is Alison Anderson. And she should be remembered. Perhaps there is a hero in the public for this case too?
This case has been handled differently from the beginning but I believe the only real difference is that there is a good chance the child is (or was) still alive and also lets not forget....a very good chance there are other people who quite possibly are involved, may be lots of other people. And when you start talking paedophile 'rings' you are looking at not only other perps but also other kids in danger and in potential danger.

 

[crabstick]

If you have ninjas in your backyard. They are not police. Police have enough technology to not be in your backyard.

 

[Rayemonde]

I think this is a common human mistake. Way too much focus on POIs and not enough finding the evidence surrounding the crime. Its way too easy to lock onto a POI and make a case but it doesn't look at the bigger picture; that may be finding William.

And it's a particular problem with this forum as we are not allowed to discuss other possible motives and suspects, and are restricted to discussing what is in MSM. So in a case like this one there is often little to discuss apart from the named POI. MOO.

 

[Makara]

And it's a particular problem with this forum as we are not allowed to discuss other possible motives and suspects, and are restricted to discussing what is in MSM. So in a case like this one there is often little to discuss apart from the named POI. MOO.

There is always the other option of reading about this case on social media where rumour without basis is rife, victim bashing is common and in particular that of William's parents. Websleuth's has rules in place for a reason. If you have a problem with anything alert a moderator.

 

[Imagining]

I am sure I have been going back and forth with different theories and thoughts.

I still think there is no coincidence about the timing of BS being servicing the family that week and at about the same time WT went missing. My only question is are we dealing with just one perpetrator or a group of perpetrators?

When I was a teenager, we had a painter doing painting at the house, he was quiet, we hardly talk, he do his job, I went to school. The job was done. I remember it was not long after, the home phone rang, I picked it up and a mystery man on the other end talking to me with sexual things. I felt I recognized the voice, I asked him a few times &#8220;are you the painter?&#8221; Soon after he hung up. You really have to watch out the people going in and out of your house.

I wonder what grandma would describe BS, talkative, friendly or a quiet person?

 

[crabstick]

And if I was ASIO, Id be on SSL proxies like like dog drops on a blanket. Start up the packet sniffer; follow that private key old chap !!!! SSL was unbreakable but the packets all end up some place. Now every country has super computers if they need them. There is only one trunk out this country.

Hop! Hop! Hop!

Squirrel!!!

Unfortunately most paedophiles would be using the dark net rather than the standard web. All the activity is through VPN's that give fake IPs. There is encryption and all types of ways of hiding what they are doing.
If you were to try and find child on the normal web, you would be hard pressed to find much. Darknet there are forums and stuff specifically for those type of people.

 

[crabstick]

2010 Ford Festiva

 

[Kalamazoo]

Hi All,

I've been lurking for some time now, bu this is my first post. Forgive me if some of this has been covered...I haven't caught up on the last 10 pages or so.

just thought I would offer my opinion about a couple of things. Firstly, the abduction, in particular BS being the most likely candidate responsible:

IMO, BS is certainly the most likely person to have taken WT. And with very little real risk. Let me explain. I believe that DI Jubelin alluded to something similar in his "evil meets innocence" spiel. BS is on his way to repair FG's washing machine. He pulls up outside her house and spots WT, all alone, down by the side of the house. He hasn't necessarily planned any abduction, but there he is....alone...nobody seems to be about. The FG may or may not have mentioned anything about WT to BS previously, but he is wearing a Spider-Man suit, and it would be pretty easy to build up a quick rapport. He takes William by the hand...perhaps even tells him that " we ought to get you back to your mummy". If anybody sees him now, he has an "out". "I was just taking him up to the house". If he is seen jostling WT into the car - " I was just about to drive him to the police station. He was close by the road and didn't seem to know where he was...". "Poor little fella was lost, I was just going to do the rounds of the street and see if he recognised his house...he couldn't tell me where he came from". Remember WT is three at this time. BS could insist WT was scared and unable to provide any information about where he came from. Now, if any of these situations had played out, if the FG or FM had witnessed any of these scenes I am sure they would have been absolutely panicked and suspicious about his story. No doubt!!!! But if push came to shove, it would be the word of a hard working local citizen, with grandchildren in his own care, against that of a three year old. If the police went looking for a criminal past, they wouldn't find one (the historic sex charges wouldn't be part of his criminal record). He would look like an outstanding member of the community...and there would be nothing the police could charge him with, IMO. He was there, at the right (wrong) time, all the planets seemed to line up for him, and the risk to himself was exceedingly LOW.

Regarding BS being at the school assembly as part of his alibi:

I agree with others that teachers and others may not have noticed whether a particular person was there on a particular day. However the fact that his grandson was receiving an award is critical. As the child took to the stage to receive his award, you might expect an extra-loud clap, or a couple of "whoop whoops" from said grandparents, thus turning people's attention and gaze to MS and BS being there. If it was just a regular assembly with no award for BS grandson, then no, I would not expect people to remember him being there.

WRT the cafe and being seen there on the day WT went missing:

I believe this all comes down to the timing of the interview with staff. If the questioning occurred within days or even weeks of WTs abduction, then the staff member advising police she "hadn't seen them for a while" is bad for BS. Very bad. That is worse than staff not remembering you on a particular day (difficult at the best of times). Not " being seen there for a while" equates to not being there.

JMO

 

[frogwell]

I wonder if BS mention tomorrow in Campbelltown local court will yield anymore information about further historical charges or if the MSM are going to report on it. What has surprised me about this case is that if BS is guilty of child sexual assault, there is a good chance he has repeated this crime. His historical case is high profile in Australia. As seen in recent times by other more infamous CSA's, when allegations have become public, others come forward as well. I have not seen that so far in this case.

 

[Makara]

Welcome Kalamazoo. William's abduction could all have played out so easily as you say. The burning question for me has always been where did William's abductor take him? If it was BS who took him, where did he take him? How did he conceal William? Did William sit quietly with his abductor thinking perhaps that he was going to see Daddy for example? Or was William upset and crying for his Mummy? Was William gagged, drugged or rendered unconscious by force? If so why? Why do this, why take a little boy just like that?

Something that sticks in my mind is Gary Jubelin saying that by the time William's mother phoned the police, his abductor would have been 30 km away but IMO the abductor may not have travelled that far at all. Did the abductor pass William onto someone else and then just carried on as normal. Was he/she late home on that particular Friday 12 September or did he/she sit down to their evening meal with spouse, family etc. as if nothing had happened? Or was William's abductor not from the area and was speeding north or south along the Pacific Highway to who knows where by the time William's mother phoned the police?

Below are the travelling distances to towns north and north east of Benaroon Drive Kendall. In between these towns there are a few state forests and large reserves. Information sourced from Google Maps.

Benaroon Drive Kendall via Ocean Drive to Bonny Hills = 30.2 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall via Pacific Highway to Bonny Hills = 27 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall to Dunbogan = 15.3 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall to Kew = 4.1 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall via Ocean Drive to Lake Cathie = 27.4 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall via Pacific Highway to Lake Cathie = 29 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall to The Haven Caravan Park, Laurieton = 12.3 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall via Bago Road to Wauchope = 26.3 km.

Benaroon Drive Kendall via Oxley and Pacific Highways to Wauchope = 36.8 km.

Hi All,

I've been lurking for some time now, bu this is my first post. Forgive me if some of this has been covered...I haven't caught up on the last 10 pages or so.

just thought I would offer my opinion about a couple of things. Firstly, the abduction, in particular BS being the most likely candidate responsible:

IMO, BS is certainly the most likely person to have taken WT. And with very little real risk. Let me explain. I believe that DI Jubelin alluded to something similar in his "evil meets innocence" spiel. BS is on his way to repair FG's washing machine. He pulls up outside her house and spots WT, all alone, down by the side of the house. He hasn't necessarily planned any abduction, but there he is....alone...nobody seems to be about. The FG may or may not have mentioned anything about WT to BS previously, but he is wearing a Spider-Man suit, and it would be pretty easy to build up a quick rapport. He takes William by the hand...perhaps even tells him that " we ought to get you back to your mummy". If anybody sees him now, he has an "out". "I was just taking him up to the house". If he is seen jostling WT into the car - " I was just about to drive him to the police station. He was close by the road and didn't seem to know where he was...". "Poor little fella was lost, I was just going to do the rounds of the street and see if he recognised his house...he couldn't tell me where he came from". Remember WT is three at this time. BS could insist WT was scared and unable to provide any information about where he came from. Now, if any of these situations had played out, if the FG or FM had witnessed any of these scenes I am sure they would have been absolutely panicked and suspicious about his story. No doubt!!!! But if push came to shove, it would be the word of a hard working local citizen, with grandchildren in his own care, against that of a three year old. If the police went looking for a criminal past, they wouldn't find one (the historic sex charges wouldn't be part of his criminal record). He would look like an outstanding member of the community...and there would be nothing the police could charge him with, IMO. He was there, at the right (wrong) time, all the planets seemed to line up for him, and the risk to himself was exceedingly LOW.

Regarding BS being at the school assembly as part of his alibi:

I agree with others that teachers and others may not have noticed whether a particular person was there on a particular day. However the fact that his grandson was receiving an award is critical. As the child took to the stage to receive his award, you might expect an extra-loud clap, or a couple of "whoop whoops" from said grandparents, thus turning people's attention and gaze to MS and BS being there. If it was just a regular assembly with no award for BS grandson, then no, I would not expect people to remember him being there.

WRT the cafe and being seen there on the day WT went missing:

I believe this all comes down to the timing of the interview with staff. If the questioning occurred within days or even weeks of WTs abduction, then the staff member advising police she "hadn't seen them for a while" is bad for BS. Very bad. That is worse than staff not remembering you on a particular day (difficult at the best of times). Not " being seen there for a while" equates to not being there.

JMO

 

[Makara]

I wonder if BS mention tomorrow in Campbelltown local court will yield anymore information about further historical charges or if the MSM are going to report on it. What has surprised me about this case is that if BS is guilty of child sexual assault, there is a good chance he has repeated this crime. His historical case is high profile in Australia. As seen in recent times by other more infamous CSA's, when allegations have become public, others come forward as well. I have not seen that so far in this case.

That's not to say that others have not come forward and the information is being suppressed by the police.

 

[frogwell]

That's not to say that others have not come forward and the information is being suppressed by the police.

Tomorrow should be interesting.

 

[bettiepageturner]

And if I was ASIO, Id be on SSL proxies like like dog drops on a blanket. Start up the packet sniffer; follow that private key old chap !!!! SSL was unbreakable but the packets all end up some place. Now every country has super computers if they need them. There is only one trunk out this country.

Hop! Hop! Hop!

Squirrel!!!



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All fine and dandy, but I would be severely surprised if BS or any of his immediate colleagues had any knowledge of encryption/SSH/tunneling/making restaurant reservations from a phone/etc. I think he'd be working in something much more profitable and technology related if so. Point being, I'm sure they could bust out the full chops, but with this group of potential POIs, hopefully they've eliminated the need to? Still sticking out to me about the amateur radio interest..

 

[Makara]

Tomorrow should be interesting.

Hopefully it will be frogwell but it may just be another mention. What we really need is a committal hearing for this case and that may still be a long way off.

 

[richieswan]

Looks like the locals had their old bins out as part of a bin upgrade roll out. Kendall residents received new bins after 28 July 2014, but kept their old bins for a while: "Bins should be placed upside down on the kerb ready for collection on 8 September [2014]. The collection of old bins is expected to take another three weeks."

Indeed there are still bins lying on the road on Friday 19th September 2014 as Nearmap shows along Benaroon Dr. Might be a good reason to park your car away from the bin, which would be placed near a driveway. This is the grey car Crabstick spoke of (it was mentioned in a previous thread when TBell put Nearmap up). I see it's parked nowhere near a driveway. The yellow squares could be two yellow-lid recycle bins close together (but they look pretty big), but they aren't there on other days when aerials were shot.

edit: bin night is Tues

http://www.pmhc.nsw.gov.au/Lists/Ne.../July/Delivery-of-new-bins-underway-next-week

Friday 19th Sept 2014

Friday 19th Sept 2014

 

[Found]

In my humble opinion Spedding is as guilty as sin.

Reason - when asked he says "I didn't do it - I wasn't even there that day" (pp)

Most folk would say "I didn't do it - I've never hurt anyone in my life"

If you are asked WHY you say you didn't abduct a child, the correct most natural answer for the innocent is "I've never hurt anyone" and reiterate your own nature and history as an innocent person unable to commit such a horrid crime or even think of it.

This guy says "i wasn't there" - so he actually does not use this natural opportunity to restate his good nature and reputation.

If you listen to interviews of those on say, Death Row, who claim to be innocent - they do the same thing.

I wasn't there, it wasn't me, how could I have, why didn't they check him instead of focusing on me = all reactions indicating some level of implication and guilty knowledge.

Also I love how that article just brushes over Spedding and Wife losing custody of "the children they have looked after" - no explanation for this is given but those kids would not have been removed without some sort of accusation or discovery of abuse.

Speddings my guy, given all the circumstances. Well done NSW Police.

To be honest I don't entirely agree with some pound. First of all BS dud actually say "I never did anything to hurt William Tyrrell" in his interview with his wife.

Also the mother of the children in his care made a very public protest once his house was searched which I believe was the initial reason they were removed.

I feel he is highly likely to be involved just don't agree with this comments.

Also not your comment but a lot of comments have been made that maybe he was not the abductor but organised it. Does not make sense to me. Possible he heard they were coming and called someone but why william? There is heaps of kids in the area and how would he know he would be running near the front etc. If bs is guilty he took him IMO. What happened after that I'm not sure but I also doubt he was sold as it's clear they are under financial strain. Had to move out if rental and borrow money for bail etc.


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[AlwaysCurious77]

I have just re-watched the Spedding video. I don't have a lot of time tonight but I would like to transcribe it in full sometime soon. This statement however is interesting. He means to say 'I did not' or perhaps 'I didn't'. Instead he says ...

"I did make any indication of any nature which would lead to any person to believe that I was to attend the Tyrrell house on the 12th of September 2014"

In all it's a weird comment. I can't imagine saying 'I didn't make any indication' that's weird. I would say 'at no stage did I tell anyone that I was intending to attend the Tyrrell house.'